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When might Eircom to enable vectoring on their eFibre/VDSL service?

KeRbDoG

Just starting a thread to see when we might actually see vectoring being enabled by Eircom on their eFibre/VDSL service.

I've heard February but has anyone seen/heard anything more solid than that?

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Cream2000

Hi OcocO,

You are right I couldn't post the image...even the url for the forum/msg boards because I am a new user but below are what the router shows me:

Line standard VDSL2
Channel type None
Downstream line rate (kbit/s) 51197
Upstream line rate (kbit/s) 20479
Downstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 88660
Upstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 29538
Downstream SNR (dB) 14.2
Upstream SNR (dB) 9.2
Downstream line attenuation (dB) 12.2
Upstream line attenuation (dB) 4.1
Downstream output power (dBmV) 13.2
Upstream output power (dBmV) -4.3
Downstream CRC 2
Upstream CRC 2
Downstream FEC 241271
Upstream FEC 83336

Would it be worth calling Vodafone? What would adaptive rate do for me? Also can they get vectoring turned on if its off?

Again, thanks for the help!

ED E

Cream2000 wrote: »

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Ask for an 80/20 Fixed profile for now and see how you get on. Theres a reasonable chance you are vectored with attains that high unless you are very close to the cab.

LFCFan

Vectoring has kicked in on my line now and I've gone from 23.8mb/s to around 36.6mb/s down and from 6.7mb/s up to 9.6mb/s up. Very happy with those increases. Attenuation has actually gone up though from 17.3 to 20.5. How did that happen?

OcocO

Cream2000 You seem to have a good connection. Ed's right - perhaps good enough for 80/20 fixed. The chart in his post, if it's not immediately apparent from the titles, corresponds to fixed (Stable/Multicast) and rate adaptive (High Speed Internet) profiles available depending on line quality.

The fixed profiles 'guarantee' those speeds regardless of the time of day / load on the network etc. whereas rate adaptive will sync you at the highest speeds it can without dropping the SNR below 9 (in Vodafone's case - perhaps 6 with other providers) so the highest rate adaptive profile available to you will be at least as fast as the fixed connection and, typically, faster.

Because Vodafone doesn't sync it's customers below an SNR of 9, even the rate adaptive profiles are extremely robust (i.e. the connection will almost never momentarily drop out on you) and, at my distance from the cab, the choice has been a no-brainer.

Cream2000

Thanks so much for the info guys. Rang Vodafone's tech support, they said they could upgrade my profile, but needed to do a sync test, unfortunately because I just got my fibre connection yesterday it was not up on the system to do the test yet. Told me to call back next week but I did ask if I could get a 80/20 fixed if it passed and they said that would be no problem. I would be totally happy with that....like I said I never expected to get 100mbs. When I has DSL it synced at 12 but only used to get around 8 in tests, and I used to get hit bad at peak times. Hopefully they will be able to upgrade it. Had to sign up for an 18month contract to get free router and installation, asked what would happen if I broke the contract and like what Eircom do now they would charge for the remaining time left on the contract. Something to be very clear when you sign up as I broke an Eircom contract and got hit with a €300 bill...I had moved house and that reset my contract to start again.

razor75x

When I put my number into eircom site for speed availability it's telling me my line can get up to 100mb speed ! It used to say I could get up to 70mb speed and out of the 70 I was getting 66 . Rang eircom and they say my line is still at the 70mb profile ! So I'm confused if it's Ben vectoured or not ?

dazdrog

heres my stats from my vodafone router, ive already rang vodafone about getting the profile changed to be told that eircom have the line locked to 50/15 and i know this is bull as i had magnet 70mb fatpipe up till the start of this year and was on a 50/20 profile. what can i do about that?

Old magnet router stats where

Line Rate (Down / Up) 50174 Kbps / 20478 Kbps
Noise Margin (Down / Up) 9.3 dB / 9.1 dB
Attenuation (Down / Up) 14.2 dB / 5.2 dB
Power (Down / Up) 12.4 dBm / 1.6 dBm

with the massive difference between pings and small increase in snr can i take it that vectoring is enabled on that line?

and heres the vodafone stats

Line standard VDSL2
VDSL standard Profile 17a
Channel type None
Downstream line rate (kbit/s) 50176
Upstream line rate (kbit/s) 15360
Downstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 64184
Upstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 23591
Downstream SNR (dB) 14.4
Upstream SNR (dB) 14.2
Downstream line attenuation (dB) 14.2
Upstream line attenuation (dB) 4.9
Downstream DS1 loop attenuation(dB) 14.2
Downstream DS2 loop attenuation(dB) 33.4
Downstream DS3 loop attenuation(dB) 50.7
Upstream US0 loop attenuation(dB) 4.9
Upstream US1 loop attenuation(dB) 26.2
Upstream US2 loop attenuation(dB) 38.8
Upstream US3 loop attenuation(dB) N/A
Kl0(1MHz attenuation)(dB) 1270
Downstream output power (dBmV) 12.5
Upstream output power (dBmV) 1.7
Downstream delay(ms) 0
Upstream delay(ms) 0
Downstream INP(symbols) 30.0
Upstream INP(symbols) 30.0
Downstream CRC 0
Upstream CRC 0
Downstream FEC 2307
Upstream FEC 2
Downstream Error seconds 0

OcocO

dazdrog wrote: »

Noise Margin (Down / Up) 9.3 dB / 9.1 dB
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Downstream SNR (dB) 14.4
Upstream SNR (dB) 14.2

That's a pretty decent raise in SNR - it should translate into a better profile (although perhaps only rate adaptive, which, for my line, has been great) assuming that there's no basis to that "Eircom's locked your line speed" dubiousness. You could push for 60/20 anyway.

Fantastic increase in ping as you say

. I couldn't be absolutely certain that vectoring is enabled on your line as the recent g.INP implementation also boosted people's stats but I would guess that it has. Vodafone have access to the database of which cabs have vectoring active and which don't - last I checked with them though, the database was far from fully populated. Give them a ring again and ask them to check it if you're sufficiently curious.

AlanS181824

Why don't we build our own list of areas where Vectoring is definitely enabled?

It would provide somewhere where you could check if your area has been enabled or not.

Just an idea but it could work!

I'll start - Carlow is definitely enabled as I'm on the 100/20 profile with no issues and as are my neighbours whom have Fibre.

swoofer

ah but is it switched on????

ED E

swoofer wrote: »

ah but is it switched on????

He's on 100Mb. Above 70 isnt available on non vectored cabs.

AlanS181824

ED E wrote: »

He's on 100Mb. Above 70 isnt available on non vectored cabs.

swoofer wrote: »

ah but is it switched on????

Basically what Ed E said :P

Would be handy IMO to have a list of Vectored areas or at least Vectored cabinets.

Xcellor

Not on in Newtownforbes longford yet. Same Snr as always same sync too

Manc Red

Has there been any new plans/updates for lines connected via the exchange?

Praetorian

Manc Red wrote: »

Has there been any new plans/updates for lines connected via the exchange?

Some of the exchanges now have cabinets inside them and some trials are ongoing. So hopefully there will be a roll out soon countrywide.

The remaining big questions with the vdsl rollout in general are:

When will direct fed exchanges lines be enabled for vdsl

When will system level vectoring be enabled

ED E

Praetorian wrote: »

Some of the exchanges now have cabinets inside them and some trials are ongoing. So hopefully there will be a roll out soon countrywide.

The remaining big questions with the vdsl rollout in general are:

When will direct fed exchanges lines be enabled for vdsl

When will system level vectoring be enabled

Has it been made clear what grouping is being used for vectoring right now. Some users saw 30% boosts, that could well be full dslam(cab) vectoring. Cross cab vectoring is unlikely to make any real difference, if that's possible.

GIMickey

Digiweb have got new modems, its the Technicolor TG589vn V3

i was sent one out in the post, will post back here on Monday or Tuesday when i receive it with results and my opinion of the modem

AlanS181824

GIMickey wrote: »

Digiweb have got new modems, its the Technicolor TG589vn V3

i was sent one out in the post, will post back here on Monday or Tuesday when i receive it with results and my opinion of the modem

That's good!

Hopefully this one works grand with Vectoring.

GIMickey

hope so, i am currently using the eircom f1000, because it gives me gud speeds, i will see if this new Technicolor TG589vn V3 gives the same results

Deagol

What happened with the AVM Fritz?

GIMickey

Existing customers still have the fritz box. Tech support just told me that a new batch of modems arrived.

I do not know if they are permanent.

Regarding the fritz box, the speed was terrible since version 6.03 and have failed to fix it on the next to iterations. 6.05 is the current version and it only gives me half what my line can hold (40mb).

With the eircom F1000 I am getting 77 mb.

dazdrog

GIMickey wrote: »

hope so, i am currently using the eircom f1000, because it gives me gud speeds, i will see if this new Technicolor TG589vn V3 gives the same results

dont expect much, magnet use the same modems, they are the cheapest of cheap most locked down heaps of SH*T on the market

SpaceTime

I have to say the ZyXel/Eircom F1000 has been really good so far for me anyway.

Deagol

In fairness, the F1000 isn't a bad modem, the wifi range seems to be the major technical issue. I found it poor to middling compared to my previous Linksys.

I won't mention the 'unappreciated' Eircom remote login as another issue

dazdrog

OcocO wrote: »

That's a pretty decent raise in SNR - it should translate into a better profile (although perhaps only rate adaptive, which, for my line, has been great) assuming that there's no basis to that "Eircom's locked your line speed" dubiousness. You could push for 60/20 anyway.

Fantastic increase in ping as you say . I couldn't be absolutely certain that vectoring is enabled on your line as the recent g.INP implementation also boosted people's stats but I would guess that it has. Vodafone have access to the database of which cabs have vectoring active and which don't - last I checked with them though, the database was far from fully populated. Give them a ring again and ask them to check it if you're sufficiently curious.

well after the 5th time trying to get my profile changed to a rate adaptive one, a agent at vodafone clearly said hes trying to put me on the highest profile for my cab that was 70/20 so it appears that my cab in drogheda has not had vectoring enabled yet and i will be stuck with 50/15 for the time being

a friend on the next cab up the road from me has eircom and evision, hes on a 40/15 profile and his stats say the attainable is 88mb down and 24mb up with a SNR of 20+ if i remember right, could his be enabled?

ED E

dazdrog wrote: »

a friend on the next cab up the road from me has eircom and evision, hes on a 40/15 profile and his stats say the attainable is 88mb down and 24mb up with a SNR of 20+ if i remember right, could his be enabled?

Not necessarily, but it could be. Attains can go over 70 without vectoring, just not the profiles.

dazdrog

ED E wrote: »

Not necessarily, but it could be. Attains can go over 70 without vectoring, just not the profiles.

i see, thanks. ill be keeping a eye on my stats over the coming weeks and see if anything changes

wonder how many cabinets in drogheda are 100mb enabled, it says on the eircom wholesale website that 16290 premises in this exchange can now access up to 100Mb/s fibre broadband

ED E wrote: »

Not necessarily, but it could be. Attains can go over 70 without vectoring, just not the profiles.

Yes, before vectoring was enabled, my parents were getting attainables of over 100mb/s !!

They are literally 10 meters from the cab

AlanS181824

What's the login for the Eircom Fibre modem?

I've to call in to one of my elderly neighbours and she wants me to have a look for her.

murphaph

AlanS181824 wrote: »

What's the login for the Eircom Fibre modem?

I've to call in to one of my elderly neighbours and she wants me to have a look for her.

Whatever it is it shouldn't be left in the factory state. Make sure you set your own password on it before you leave.