wrt40 wrote: » It's a fact because the majority of the population say so. Are you suggesting I need some sort of scientific evidence to prove my point? Of course dick heads can be classified in all manner of ways. but I am specifically talking about cyclists. There is also strong correlation between being a cyclist and being a dick head.
CramCycle wrote: » It is a LANEWAY, if a car was driving on it, by definition, they would be obstructing it. Same with cyclist, if there was only one cyclist, he would still be obstructing it. <snipped>
No Pants wrote: » Cyclists are allowed to cycle two abreast. Cyclists are even allowed to cycle three abreast, as long as the third cyclist is overtaking the other two. That photo shows a group of cyclists, but if you look carefully you'll notice that very few of them are actually alongside another cyclist. They're quite staggered.
wrt40 wrote: » forcing a motorist to over take on a bend or continuous white line
wrt40 wrote: » The point is, if they're holding up traffic and have the potential to cause a dangerous situation by forcing a motorist to over take on a bend or continuous white line, then they should do the right thing and move over in single file. Just because they are allowed doesn't mean they have to or that they have a god given right to.
CramCycle wrote: » Are you saying that if someone went looking they could not find a cyclist who is not a d*ck. Just because you have seen lots of d*ck heads and you yourself are or at least have been one (your words, not mine) does not mean all cyclists are d*ckheads.
Spook_ie wrote: » My logic isn't flawed at all, it is to debunk the oft perpetrated myth that cyclists trot out in these threads that they pay tax on their vehicles in the driveway therefore they are contributing ( in some glory seeking way without actually using the vehicle ) if that's the case then dispose of the vehicle and pay your motortax over in some other indirect taxation but don't use the feeblest of excuses about " I pay motor/road tax"
wrt40 wrote: » Perfectly relaxed. It's a fact because the majority of the population say so. Are you suggesting I need some sort of scientific evidence to prove my point?
wrt40 wrote: » There is also strong correlation between being a cyclist and being a dick head.
Tenzor07 wrote: » Did one of the cyclists hop into the passenger seat and force the driver to overtake dangerously rather than just wait for a safe place to pass?
Tenzor07 wrote: » They ARE traffic, therefore are not Holding up traffic...
CramCycle wrote: » But it is, t<snipped> Decide what you think would be fair, put down a simple plan on how this could ever be implemented without costing the government huge amounts of money and then let us have a civil discussion.
wrt40 wrote: » Of course they are traffic, but they are also holding up traffic. this is another example of people twisting words as a way to get out of an argument. Just move over and stop holding up traffic, simple. What exactly is the problem? It applies to all road users. It's called cycling\driving without undue care and attention and it can cause people to make dangerous decisions. You don't have to physically force the driver to do something in order to be responsible for the situation.
No Pants wrote: » It would be impressive if you did. The CSO reports that the population of Ireland in April 2013 was 4,593,100. Could you maybe sample 1,000 of the population and come back with the results? I'd like to see some proof of this correlation.
wrt40 wrote: » I never said all cyclists are dick heads
I just don't wear lycra (sorry, cheap dig) and don't go around as if I'm holier than thou.
if I keep over to the kerb,
travel in single file when appropriate,
use the cycle lanes,
stop at red lights,
don't shout abuse at people and keep a polite and friendly demeanour I will always get to my destination stress free and without incident.
wrt40 wrote: » Of course they are traffic, but they are also holding up traffic. this is another example of people twisting words as a way to get out of an argument. Just move over and stop holding up traffic, simple. What exactly is the problem?
It applies to all road users. It's called cycling\driving without undue care and attention and it can cause people to make dangerous decisions. You don't have to physically force the driver to do something in order to be responsible for the situation.
Spook_ie wrote: » No I don't need to, the fact of whether a person thinks they have more or less right to a use of something based on taxation isn't the point, the point is that cyclists in debate always throw in the red herring that motorists don't pay road tax either, when it is easily demonstrable that they do indeed pay a road tax. I am also heading off the oft spouted adage about "I pay tax on my car in the drive way" if you pay tax on the motorcar it's a contribution for that motor car not a transferable contribution to another type of vehicle.
Spook_ie wrote: » Better still just cycle legaly 2 abreast unless overtaking and use hand signals etc. to show your intentions, of course if they aren't racing then the use of hand signals shouldn't be a problem.
CramCycle wrote: » Apologies, I really thought you did, it was that all cyclists have an attitude, which is correct, so do most functioning people. How is that a cheap dig, I wear lycra once a week at an off road cycling track, I am civil enough to realise that my perfectly toned behind would be hypnotic to all warn blooded humanoids and risks causing multiple traffic accidents. Dangerous and not recommended I do this I don't but I find them dangerous, we must cycle in different areas I always do Me too, see how much we have in common It doubles the overtaking distance, you should give one cyclist as much space as two. Irish roads are often not wide enough to accomodate two vehicles in one lane so this really makes no difference. If you can't see or recognise thia, I would recommend surrendering your license to the local garda station. You actually do, if you cannot decide for yourself when it is safe or reasonable to overtake traffic, it is again, your responsibility to stop driving for the consideration of all other road users you may come accross. Are you saying you would overtake a single cyclist on a bend? Seriously, just stop driving now. PLEASE, won't someone think of the Children.
wrt40 wrote: » It applies to all road users. It's called cycling\driving without due care and attention and it can cause people to make dangerous decisions. You don't have to physically force the driver to do something in order to be responsible for the situation.
wrt40 wrote: » In fact, if anything, I think its point proven on our part.
paddyland wrote: » Cyclists in full yellow warrior outfit storming through traffic light junctions and pedestrian crossings at full pelt when everyone else is stopped for one thing. Cyclists who race to get into a narrow bus lane in front of a bus, and then stop pedalling, is another thing. Cyclists going far too fast on public park footpaths and forest trails, where there are pedestrians, children, slow cyclists and dogs about. Cyclists who do not leave adequate space between themselves and pedestrian and other traffic, despite admonishing everyone else for not leaving them space. .
Tenzor07 wrote: » Originally Posted by paddyland View Post Motorcyclists in full yellow warrior outfit storming through traffic light junctions and pedestrian crossings at full pelt when everyone else is stopped for one thing. Taxi drivers who race to get into a narrow bus lane in front of a bus, and then stop moving, is another thing. Horses going far too fast on public park footpaths and forest trails, where there are pedestrians, children, slow cyclists and dogs about. School run MPV drivers who do not leave adequate space between themselves and pedestrian and other traffic, despite admonishing everyone else for not leaving them space. Boy-Racers who practice militant hypocrisy, loudly remonstrating against anyone who they feel infringes on their divine right to drive as they please, but rubbish anyone who suggests there might be occasions when they should consider others. Farmers in Tractors who travel in long lines and packs on busy country roads, leaving no possibility to safely overtake, and allowing long queues of traffic build up behind, until a hazardous situation develops where somebody does decide to overtake dangerously, and put everyone at risk. It is unfair, for example, to hold up traffic for miles on winding country roads such as the Roundwood road. Spread out, and let traffic pass when it is safe to do so. If you don't let them pass when it is safe, then someone will try to pass when it isn't safe. The same elderly car drivers who pace along at 15-20kph in a long line on a country road, will then storm through a narrow village, where there are pedestrians, parked cars, and all kinds of distraction about. Elderly drivers find it sometimes hard to see. Your speed should be in relation to your ability to be seen, and to avoid and be avoided. Fixed that for you.. So you see it's all relative.. but don't let that stand in the way of a good Rant! :rolleyes:
wrt40 wrote: » I'll see what I can pull out of my ass, it would suit the discussion.
No Pants wrote: » Could you point towards some case law where a cyclist was even prosecuted for what you describe?
Godge wrote: » I didn't check that incident but you are quoting the last defence of a cyclist. Yes, what I was doing was rude, illegal, discourteous and inconvenienced other road-users but has anybody ever been prosecuted for it?
furiousox wrote: » I must say this thread marks a refreshing change from all previous motorist vs cyclist threads.
Tenzor07 wrote: » So let's then forget the majority of the population who wish to cycle there bikes in ordinary clothes, with there children in trailers or cycling beside them are kept off the road because of the stinking attitudes and general lack of actual driving skill and consideration by some car/van drivers?
Godge wrote: » Have seen all of these. They are nothing to do with cyclists themselves as a group. It is actually more to do with bad manners and lack of courtesy to other road-users. Lots of other road-users indulge in it.
