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Convicted child killer canvassing for sinn fein[Mod warning-First Post]

bumper234

And then people wonder why sinn fein care always labeled with the terrorist brush :rolleyes:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/cowardly-mountbatten-murderer-campaigns-for-sinn-fein-30294914.html

SINN Fein leader Gerry Adams has defended the involvement of Lord Louis Mountbatten's murderer in Sinn Fein's election campaign. Thomas McMahon – the only person convicted for the horrific IRA attack in 1979 that also killed two children – has been canvassing for MEP hopeful Matt Carthy.

Speaking to the Irish Independent, Mr Martin said: "Like a lot of people, I have watched with growing concern as Sinn Fein seeks to minimise and justify some of the most horrific and cruel episodes of their terror campaign.

"But even in this context, Mr Adams's defence of a colleague who killed a 14- and a 15-year-old child is particularly shocking."

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Beano

Happyman42 wrote: »

There is a cohort who will never vote for SF, a cohort who will not educate themselves and who will pretend to be politically sophisticated while alternating between FF and FG. Sooner that generation has died out the sooner we might get a real republic and a united island, the only two things that can offer all round stability.

You mean as soon as the people who know what the ira are really like die off?

Happyman42

Birroc wrote: »

Indeed.

DOES ANYONE IN SINN FEIN EVERY ANSWER ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR ECONOMIC POLICY OR LACK THEREOF?

You'll have to ask that of somebody who is actually in SF, it is not like their policies are top secret.
How do you assess performance of a party who are not in power on economic policy?
How do you assess the performance of parties who have been in power since the foundation of the state on their economic policies by the way?

bumper234

Beano wrote: »

You mean as soon as the people who know what the ira are really like die off?

Well they always say never forget, Hopefully people will never forget what they are.

Fratton Fred

FTA69 wrote: »

An IRA drugs gang in 2011 Liverpool?

If you believe a word of this you're a fool.

They haven't gone away you know!

Happyman42

Beano wrote: »

You mean as soon as the people who know what the ira are really like die off?

The IRA don't exist anymore and anybody with an ounce of sense knows what they where like.

Valetta

Happyman42 wrote: »

There is a cohort who will never vote for SF, a cohort who will not educate themselves and who will pretend to be politically sophisticated while alternating between FF and FG. Sooner that generation has died out the sooner we might get a real republic and a united island, the only two things that can offer all round stability.

Wishing currently living people dead so Sinn Fein can get into power?

A new low.

Dan_Solo

Birroc wrote: »

Indeed.

DOES ANYONE IN SINN FEIN EVERY ANSWER ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR ECONOMIC POLICY OR LACK THEREOF?

They always say they've had their policies checked by the Dept. of Finance. Dunno if that's true, but no other politician has pulled them up on it on debates or chat shows that when SF have said it.

EDIT: Although obviously our Dept. of Finance doesn't know arse from elbow, so make of their approval what you will!

Happyman42

Valetta wrote: »

Wishing currently living people dead so Sinn Fein can get into power?

A new low.

:D:D I was right....Liveline is over. :rolleyes:

'Wishing currently living people dead'....that's an absolute corker! Thanks.

Kermit.de.frog

Happyman42 wrote: »

You'll have to ask that of somebody who is actually in SF, it is not like their policies are top secret.

This is the mentality of SF supporters -they don't even KNOW the policies of the party they want to vote for. Like sheep being led to the slaughterhouse.

Ok let's try again:

What do you propose to replace "the establishment" with?

Are people's lives going to be better afterwards?

Where are you going to get the money from?

Dan_Solo

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Ok let's try again:

What do you propose to replace "the establishment" with?

Is that a SF policy? Can you show me where they've said this?

moxin

bumper234 wrote: »

Have never voted for FG or FF, As long as SF have child killers canvassing for them then they will never be in power.

As you are so concerned about child killers, how come you are miraculously silent on the child killer of 11 yr old Francis Rowntree whose issue was in the news yesterday? http://www.u.tv/News/Soldier-could-be-prosecuted-over-boy-death/4ce8f4ea-060f-46d6-9ce4-dba402a51f8f

Perhaps you are silent because the murderer was a British soldier?

Nodin

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is the mentality of SF supporters -they don't even KNOW the policies of the party they want to vote for. Like sheep being led to the slaughterhouse.

Coming from somebody that made a claim they can't backup, that's a bit much.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90501072&postcount=206

Birroc

Happyman42 wrote: »

How do you assess performance of a party who are not in power on economic policy?

You ask for their plans...and then you get those plans costed.

I am talking about how they will balance the budget. You are talking about economic performance such as growth etc which is unknown?

I don't want future unknowns, I want plans on the day-to-day spending.

Kermit.de.frog

Happyman42 wrote: »

There is a cohort who will never vote for SF, a cohort who will not educate themselves

You are an unintentionally funny guy. Because I always assumed, wrongfully according to you, that the average shinner supporter might not be among the brightest tools in the box. But you have set me straight in my ways.

Happyman42

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

they don't even KNOW the policies of the party they want to vote for.

Where you not the one asking to be told about their very public policies?

If you want a debate on their economic policy, start another thread.

Beano

moxin wrote: »

As you are so concerned about child killers, how come you are miraculously silent on the child killer of 11 yr old Francis Rowntree whose issue was in the news yesterday? http://www.u.tv/News/Soldier-could-be-prosecuted-over-boy-death/4ce8f4ea-060f-46d6-9ce4-dba402a51f8f

Perhaps you are silent because the murderer was a British soldier?

Is he running for election or canvassing on behalf of somebody who is? If not then he is not relevant here.

Nodin

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You are an unintentionally funny guy. Because I always assumed, wrongfully according to you, that the average shinner supporter might not be among the brightest tools in the box. But you have set me straight in my ways.

More love and fluff, from the man who can't back up his own claims.

Did you in fact make this up?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90501072&postcount=206

Happyman42

moxin wrote: »

As you are so concerned about child killers, how come you are miraculously silent on the child killer of 11 yr old Francis Rowntree whose issue was in the news yesterday? http://www.u.tv/News/Soldier-could-be-prosecuted-over-boy-death/4ce8f4ea-060f-46d6-9ce4-dba402a51f8f

Perhaps you are silent because the murderer was a British soldier?

It's only child killers who help peace makers that get the ire around these parts...keep up!

moxin

Beano wrote: »

Is he running for election or canvassing on behalf of somebody who is? If not then he is not relevant here.

They never release that info. What we know is that throughout the course of the Troubles the soldiers who killed kids served for either a Conservative or a Labour govt. Where are the protests??

Happyman42

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You are an unintentionally funny guy. Because I always assumed, wrongfully according to you, that the average shinner supporter might not be among the brightest tools in the box. But you have set me straight in my ways.

And the people who keep voting the Bertie's and Enda's are the brighest tools? This thread is giving so much today! Keep it up.

Dan_Solo

Birroc wrote: »

You ask for their plans...and then you get those plans costed.

I'm sure I've seen SF say many times their plans have been costed. And nobody even tried to pick holes in them.

Fratton Fred

moxin wrote: »

They never release that info. What we know is that throughout the course of the Troubles the soldiers who killed kids served for either a Conservative or a Labour govt. Where are the protests??

That explains why Ireland has never had a conservative government then.

Kermit.de.frog

Happyman42 wrote: »

Where you not the one asking to be told about their very public policies?

If you want a debate on their economic policy, start another thread.

Bullsh!t avoidance. Sinn Féin don't have ANY credible economic policy and were a firmly Marxist party only a couple of years a go. That's simply a fact. They are populists preying on the vulnerable so that they get in and well and truly finish this country off.

Happyman42

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

and well and truly finish this country off.

Excellent!
What would in sport be called a 'home run'.

Nodin

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Bullsh!t avoidance..

Ahhh,the irony.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90501072&postcount=206

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Sinn Féin don't have ANY credible economic policy and were a firmly Marxist party only a couple of years a go. That's simply a fact. They are populists preying on the vulnerable so that they get in and well and truly finish this country off.

"preying on the vulnerable"...how? Like making stuff up?

Kermit.de.frog

Nodin wrote: »

More love and fluff, from the man who can't back up his own claims.

Did you in fact make this up?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90501072&postcount=206

They were scumbags in to drugs, violence and extortion - take your pick. And everybody knows that. You can't hide it.

And look at the glorious leftovers of the provos today. Gangsters and thugs.

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The Indo are in the same category as the sun and the daily mail these days and has been for a while.

Happyman42

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You can't hide it.

Well show us then.

Dan_Solo

http://www.irishexaminer.com/election2014/election2014-news/brian-hayes-hits-out-at-lsquocut-and-pastersquo-sinn-fein-budget-269458.html

SF do have their budgets costed by DoF.
This is hilarious:

But Mr Hayes said: “The idea that [the Sinn Féin] proposals have been costed just doesn’t stack up. Their pre-budget submission was based on parliamentary replies to questions. They did a cut-and-paste job on the replies to those questions and they made assumptions as to the amounts you could obtain through their tax measures.”

So he's complaining that SF used FG's answers to Dail questions as a basis for their economic policy? Er, does that mean your answers were all lies then Mr Hayes? :eek:

Nodin

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They were scumbags in to drugs, violence and extortion - take your pick. And everybody knows that. You can't hide it.

And look at the glorious leftovers of the provos today. Gangsters and thugs.

Violence does tend to be part of an armed struggle. Its not a name for arm wrestling or anything.

Where is your evidence for the drugs claim?