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Smoking near kids in beer garden

Afroshack

Is this socially acceptable? Yesterday I was having after-work drinks and food in a really sunny beer garden with some work friends - around half 7 in the evening. A family with small children came out and sat next to us, then requested that we stop smoking whilst they were there with their kids. In an outdoor beer garden. We agreed to do it, but it was pretty clear we weren't happy about it. Do you think they were right to request that we not smoke and we were right to make our feelings clear? Id' never smoke near a child at a bus stop/ street area but surely a beer garden at 7pm is fair game?

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diveout

Kids should not be in beer gardens.

orangesoda

lady garden you say?

December2012

Kids shouldn't be there. Fair game.

endacl

Afroshack wrote: »

Is this socially acceptable? Yesterday I was having after-work drinks and food in a really sunny beer garden with some work friends - around half 7 in the evening. A family with small children came out and sat next to us, then requested that we stop smoking whilst they were there with their kids. In an outdoor beer garden. We agreed to do it, but it was pretty clear we weren't happy about it. Do you think they were right to request that we not smoke and we were right to make our feelings clear? Id' never smoke near a child at a bus stop/ street area but surely a beer garden at 7pm is fair game?

Feck off somewhere else with your kids.

^^

And this from a smug ex smoker.

Greenmachine

Afroshack wrote: »

Is this socially acceptable? Yesterday I was having after-work drinks and food in a really sunny beer garden with some work friends - around half 7 in the evening. A family with small children came out and sat next to us, then requested that we stop smoking whilst they were there with their kids. In an outdoor beer garden. We agreed to do it, but it was pretty clear we weren't happy about it. Do you think they were right to request that we not smoke and we were right to make our feelings clear? Id' never smoke near a child at a bus stop/ street area but surely a beer garden at 7pm is fair game?

Beer garden is for smokers. If they wanted a smoke free environment they should have stayed indoors or at home.

Merkin

Cheeky feckers. A pub beer garden is no place for children so they were totally out of order.

Muise...

Smokers don't smoke indoors in the Winter, do they? Tell the Summer invasion of the beer garden to share it or fcuk off.

*smug ex-smoker #2

endacl

Greenmachine wrote: »

Beer garden is for smokers. If they wanted a smoke free environment they should have stayed indoors or at home.

What about those of us who go to the pub for a kid free environment?

AgileMyth

Its a smoking area. Beer garden just sounds nicer in the pubs ads.

fussyonion

This irritates the hell out of me. You were well within your rights to smoke where you were. The family who asked you to stop smoking were bang out of order. They know smokers congregate outside because, HELLO, we can't smoke indoors. If it bothers them that much, they should have gone INSIDE where there is no smoking.

Billy Connolly once said he was staying at The Four Seasons in Dublin some years back, when you could smoke indoors, and he was enjoying a cigar at the bar when this posh woman approached him and said "Do you mind putting that cigar out? The smell bothers me and I'm expecting company soon."
Billy replied "I don't care if you're expecting twins, I'm smoking in the bar. Go outside and enjoy all the air you like."

I also hate these people who walk past the entrance to a pub, waving their hands at the cigarette smoke and muttering "I wish they'd smoke somewhere else." WHERE?!

Feckin moaners.
*lights a cigarette and blows smoke at all the non-smokers just 'cos*

loalae

If they didn't want their children exposed to smoke they shouldn't have sat in a designated smoking area. Idiots!

Very cheeky of them to ask and wouldn't have had a legitimate reason to complain if you hadn't complied with their request.

eviltwin

Kids shouldn't be in a beer garden but just because you only have the beer garden to smoke in doesn't make it your area, its communal, lots of people don't want to be stuck indoors on a nice evening but don't want to have to breathe in smoke either. A bit of compromise on all parts goes a long way.

endacl

AgileMyth wrote: »

Its a smoking area. Beer garden just sounds nicer in the pubs ads.

True. If you actually did a bit of gardening you'd be fecked out of the place.

fussyonion

eviltwin wrote: »

Kids shouldn't be in a beer garden but just because you only have the beer garden to smoke in doesn't make it your area, its communal, lots of people don't want to be stuck indoors on a nice evening but don't want to have to breathe in smoke either. A bit of compromise on all parts goes a long way.

Yes so they should sit AWAY from the smokers.

If I go out into a beer garden and see loads of people sitting around who don't smoke, I won't stand directly beside them.

But it works both ways. Sit away from me. Other than that, I cannot control where the smoke goes. The wind does that.

Holsten

No they were not right at all.

Children shouldn't be anywhere near a beer garden.

Why you would stop I have no idea.

Quazzie

It's a beer garden, not a smoking area. Put the cigarette out and be considerate of other patrons. If you wanted to smoke you should've went to the designated smoking area.

fussyonion

Quazzie wrote: »

It's a beer garden, not a smoking area. Put the cigarette out and be considerate of other patrons. If you wanted to smoke you should've went to the designated smoking area.

And what if the beer garden is the only designated area?

endacl

Quazzie wrote: »

It's a beer garden, not a smoking area. Put the cigarette out and be considerate of other patrons. If you wanted to smoke you should've went to the designated smoking area.

You're messing, right?

Grab All Association

You should have told them to **** OFF they got their smoking ban indoors 10 years ago if they don't like smokers then go back indoors. Let me guess mid 30s to early 40s. Country girl smell of silage looks like your one Grainne from Bosco?

fussyonion

endacl wrote: »

You're messing, right?

One would hope so.

Pwindedd

Afroshack wrote: »

Is this socially acceptable? Yesterday I was having after-work drinks and food in a really sunny beer garden with some work friends - around half 7 in the evening. A family with small children came out and sat next to us, then requested that we stop smoking whilst they were there with their kids. In an outdoor beer garden. We agreed to do it, but it was pretty clear we weren't happy about it. Do you think they were right to request that we not smoke and we were right to make our feelings clear? Id' never smoke near a child at a bus stop/ street area but surely a beer garden at 7pm is fair game?

You're a smoker, with no rights whatsoever, despite all that extra tax you pay. Go and stand in the gutter where you belong

Seriously though I think it depends on the garden, if it's designed to attract families (slides, swings etc) then yeh maybe they should just have a couple of smoking tables away from the others. A normal beer garden then no - the smoking ban has enabled more families to visit pubs and restaurants. The evicted smokers should still feel comfortable to smoke outside without being hassled. You did the right thing, you stopped smoking because you are considerate but you made your feelings known because you were technically within your rights.

Captain Chaos

fussyonion wrote: »

I also hate these people who walk past the entrance to a pub, waving their hands at the cigarette smoke and muttering "I wish they'd smoke somewhere else." WHERE?!

Feckin moaners.
*lights a cigarette and blows smoke at all the non-smokers just 'cos*

In fairness the smoking law does state, though rarely enforced, that you are not allowed to smoke outdoors within 2-3 meters of any doorway or open window.

Dr Turk Turkelton

Never mind children not being in a beer garden, they shouldn't be in a bar at all.
Was out to watch the soccer last Sunday and kids everywhere. Disgraceful.

fussyonion

Captain Chaos wrote: »

In fairness the smoking law does state, though rarely enforced, that you are not allowed to smoke outdoors within 2-3 meters of any doorway or open window.

Oh sorry but I don't normally carry a measuring tape with me in my handbag on a Saturday night.

Quazzie

fussyonion wrote: »

And what if the beer garden is the only designated area?

Well then it's a smoking area, not a beer garden. Two different things

endacl wrote: »

You're messing, right?

Not in the slightest. If I call into somewhere for some food after a family day out, the last thing I want is someone smoking all over my kids.

csallmighty

Should have blown smoke in their face like this

fussyonion

Quazzie wrote: »

Well then it's a smoking area, not a beer garden. Two different things

Not in the slightest. If I call into somewhere for some food after a family day out, the last thing I want is someone smoking all over my kids.

If you don't want someone smoking all over your kids, move away from them.
Any smokers I know don't intentionally stand beside children to have their cigarette.

endacl

Quazzie wrote: »

Well then it's a smoking area, not a beer garden. Two different things

Not in the slightest. If I call into somewhere for some food after a family day out, the last thing I want is someone smoking all over my kids.

Better call into the indoor bit so.

Captain Chaos

fussyonion wrote: »

Oh sorry but I don't normally carry a measuring tape with me in my handbag on a Saturday night.

Common sense in fairness. Everyone should have an idea of what 2 meters is anyway. A 6ft man is 1.8m. There you go.

fussyonion

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Common sense in fairness. Everyone should have an idea of what 2 meters is. A 6ft man is 1.8m. There you go.

I have absolutely no concept of size.
This has gone against me before but the less said about that the better.