Bannasidhe wrote: » Does the NI Assembly decide taxation policy or is that the perogative of Westminster? Genuine question - I would google but am reliant on a dongle in rural Ireland atm and I'm lucky I got this page to open after an hour of hitting reload. :mad:
the_syco wrote: » Also, although NI SF are seen as bringers of peace, RoI SF are seen as linked to a terrorist organisation that liked to rob post offices in RoI.
RDM_83 again wrote: » My thinking on this and it will probably get some posters backs up, is that much of the dislike of SF particularly by the older generation is less to do with the Troubles and more to do with both a repressed sense of guilt over historic nationalist treatment in NI and the fact that SF traditionally did not respect the government of the ROI. .
RDM_83 again wrote: » My thinking on this and it will probably get some posters backs up, is that much of the dislike of SF particularly by the older generation is less to do with the Troubles and more to do with both a repressed sense of guilt over historic nationalist treatment in NI and the fact that SF traditionally did not respect the government of the ROI.
RDM_83 again wrote: » As a Northerner I have never quiet understood the deep seated, knee-jerk hatred that a significant amount of people in the Republic have. ..............
Happyman42 wrote: » I was making the same point on another thread. I think that is key to understanding SF in the south. Not that it will ever be admitted mind you, but FG/FF know only too well that the day of reckoning is approaching and their positions are under threat. Once they turned their backs it was inevitable that it would come back to haunt them.
Nodin wrote: » Cushioned from the reality and subjected to decades of one sided propaganda. It's ironic that the British public heard more of a two sided debate.
marienbad wrote: » But Nodin -you are missing the point. When you say 'cushioned from the reality '' you say it like it was a fault . It is what it is.
Nodin wrote: » It is what it is and what it is is fairly nauseating.
marienbad wrote: » You see, this is the kind of rhetoric that has absolutely no resonance in the south . However you may think of it this has been a functioning democracy for nearly a century and both electorates have a massively different view on what is important.
Happyman42 wrote: » The guilt exists precisely because of what and who were not considered 'important' enough and were abandoned
the_syco wrote: » He's spent about half of his life as the leader of SF, and I think he'll continue until he dies. To be fair, who else has anywhere near as much credibility as he does?
RDM_83 again wrote: » As a Northerner I have never quiet understood the deep seated, knee-jerk hatred that a significant amount of people in the Republic have.
K-9 wrote: » Any examples?
marienbad wrote: » How so ? you are looking it through your experience and not through the aspirations of the electorate you are trying to convince. Do you think the 26 counties should have a sense of guilt about partition and its subsequent effects ?
Nodin wrote: » A sense of empathy with those suffering in the sectarian statelet would have been appropriate.
Nodin wrote: » You've forgotten about section 31? The first time I heard a republican speak on the TV, it was BBC NI news. Cosgrave coming on TV and blaming the IRA for the Dublin Monaghan bombings? Not to mention Eoin Harris activities.
marienbad wrote: » There was and is huge empathy Nodin , the British embassy fire is the most glaring example. But there is reality also, what could have been done that wasn't ?
Nodin wrote: » Done by who? The state could have taken a more neutral role for a start. The gardai were targeted? Since when did the space-time continuum distort enough for that bit of "history"?
alastair wrote: » That they didn't respect the State - not the government(s).
alastair wrote: » But the guilt thing makes not a jot of sense. The SDLP were/are well liked in the South - so what could this guilt regarding the historic plight of nationalists that's only selectively directed towards SF be about? Let's not forget that said nationalists didn't much care for SF at the ballot box themselves, until they took on the policies of the SDLP.
twowheelsgood wrote: » As a Southern I have never quite understood why so many Northern republicans did not / do not understand the absolute fury that many of us had (and retained) when PIRA had the astounding arrogance to presume themselves to be a superior class of Irish people than the rest of us and constantly and continuously disregarded the persistent and unwavering message from us of “not in our name”. I’m not sure this is your unique thinking. I have seen this psycho-babble peddled often before. The truth, as usual and as outlined above, is much more simple. When you consider that the most impressive public protests in recent decades, even in the difficult times in which we live, were against wars in Iraq (even though the US were not acting in our name!) I don’t think it should be so hard to see where the distaste for those who use violence without authority comes from, and why this distaste remains when SF still have some of their old soldiers in their ranks.
marienbad wrote: » The state was anything but neutral . We had gunrunning plots at the highest levels of government , information passed to pira , emergency services gone missing when the Embassy burned to the ground and they are just the headlines. And on the other hand we had had .
k9 wrote: Might as well throw in Cruiser.
RDM_83 again wrote: » Actually state is more applicable than government your correct. Why is it that the people who actually suffered through the Troubles can recognize that times have changed but many of those in the ROI don't?
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RDM_83 again wrote: » Why is it that the people who actually suffered through the Troubles can recognize that times have changed but many of those in the ROI don't?
pO1Neil wrote: » the IRA helped restore Ireland's credibility & they helped wave in the period of the Celtic tiger.
