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Disgusting tenants

RoboRat

Before people start attacking me because I am a 'landlord' and I deserve everything I get for being some kind of leech, I would like to clarify that I am a landlord by virtue of the economic collapse and my hands are tied. I don't want to be a landlord, I hate being a landlord and as soon as its viable for me to sell, I will be doing so.

Now to the crux of the thread, some people are filthy disgusting animals and I cannot get my head around how they can (a) live in that manner and (b) be so ****ing disrespectful to another persons property. I am a tenant and I treat the house I am in as if it were my own, its cleaned weekly and extremely well maintained both inside and outside.

I am just back from my house because the tenant wasn't paying rent and wasn't answering his phone. The place is an absolute disgrace and looks like squatters are living there. The floors haven't been cleaned in at least 6 months and the gardens are out of control.

The prick even had the audacity to not bother switching the ESB over from the previous tenants and is about to be cut off leaving them with an €800+ bill. Now, it was the previous tenants responsibility to let the ESB know but still it takes brass balls to just run up a bill like that on somebody else's account, possibly seriously affecting their credit rating. This I feel is the worst part as they were a young family and they were lovely.

Its disgraceful and the law sides with tenants not the landlords. I can understand that there are some absolute a$$hole landlords but I was always obliging to whatever they needed doing and even going as far as dropping in wine at Christmas.

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awec

RoboRat wrote: »

Where are you getting this info from? ESB accounts are in peoples names. Only the person who holds the account can change the account, this is the law. I have always transferred my account to a new address and given a final meter reading before I left.

Right.

It is NOT the landlords job to cancel / move ESB or any other utility account.

That is the responsibility of the account holder.

Sadderday

I feel sorry for you,

My brother rented his home out for a year and the tenant was calling every week for something. He wouldn't cut the grass even though there was a lawnmower in the shed and he had young children so my brother had to arrange for a gardener to do up and make sure the garden was presentable. The tenant was destructful but awkward. Wanted imperfections like switches moved a few inches here and there... which isn't really necessary stuff.

But anyway, I have posted before on this kinda thing, I'm renting and look after the place like it was my own too. I would never hassle the LL but some estate agents really don't give a damn, we reported a broken tiolet months ago and leaky roof but the agent wont return our calls.

We tried to find the owners on FB and using the net to let them know directly that their roof might need to be looked at before it costs them big money to fix but we can't find them...

In my experience sometimes its the tenant that doesnt care about the property and sometimes the estate agents can let the property go to shi't too. Its sad.

Nekarsulm

awec wrote: »

No it isn't. It is up to the tenant to cancel / move their own accounts.

awec, yes I totally agree, it is up to the tenant leaving to close the account that is in their name. It should then revert to the landlord. If no new tenant is sourced for several weeks, who pays the standing charge, etc?

Nino Brown

awec wrote: »

Right.

It is NOT the landlords job to cancel / move ESB or any other utility account.

That is the responsibility of the account holder.

I'm confused, who said it was the landlord's responsibility?

fussyonion

I will echo what the OP and awec said-It *is* the tenants' responsibility to close their own account.

I was told by ESB if the Landlord wanted the account in his name, he'd need to call, but basically they wanted me to pass on the new tenants' details.

I said "Can you not just switch the account back into the LL's name?"
and they said "He would have to open his own account. You can close yours now, that's fine, but without new peoples' details, the supply will be cut off at the property."

The estate agent who was dealing with me at the time had no influence over this either.
ESB told me "If you don't pass on new tenants' details or have the LL open an account, the electricity supply will be cut off."

DHFrame

We rented for 6 years and looked after the place like it was our own. We left, lived in the in laws house for 9 months, and bought our own place, best thing we ever did. Renting is nasty for all involved. When I add up how much we paid over those years.....!!! I went back to the rent to collect some important post, posted there by error, and the new tenant invited me in for a cuppa. F**k me. The place was a **** tip. Material crap everywhere, dog destruction everywhere, up to at lease a meter. No cleaning being done. Garden = ****ole

What annoyed me most about renting that place is our Landlord cared a lot less about the place less than we did. And I absolutely believe that it is the Landlords responsibility to keep the Garden how it should be.

RoboRat

And I absolutely believe that it is the Landlords responsibility to keep the Garden how it should be.

How so? I have lived in about 10 different rentals and its always the responsibility of the tenants to maintain the upkeep of the house including gardens. It's in the contracts.

Renting is nasty for all involved.

As I said, economy screwed me over and I am left with a house I cant actually sell right now. Nothing I can do but rent it out.

Pawwed Rig

Nino Brown wrote: »

Exactly, landlords details are on your lease, give them to the supplier, and request a confirmation and final bill be forwarded to your new address.

You cannot sign someone else up for a contract.:rolleyes:
You call the supplier and tell them you are moving and here is the final meter reading. If there is noone to transfer the bill to they may say they will cut off utilities. It is then the landlord will often put the bill temporarily into his name.

Red_Dwarf

RoboRat wrote: »

Thanks, locks were changed today. Been trying to get a hold of him for nearly 2 months now so he is out.

It was for the Previous tenants to cancel ESB and the new tenants to open an account

Nino Brown

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

You cannot sign someone else up for a contract.:rolleyes:

Well I've done it, so yes I can. It's not signing a contract, it's over the phone and I just give them the landlords name and address.

Pawwed Rig

Nino Brown wrote: »

Well I've done it, so yes I can. It's not signing a contract, it's over the phone and I just give them the landlords name and address.

Yes and surprisingly the utility companies will accept that but legally the landlord has no responsibility to pay for anything as he never agreed to it in the first place. No contract no agreement. The utility companies tend to hope people don't know about these things

How can someone be liable for a contract they did not enter into?

[Deleted User]

myshirt wrote: »

This is why you should never rent from an owner occupier.

What are you on about? Owner occupiers haven't even been mentioned.

RoboRat wrote: »

Where are you getting this info from? ESB accounts are in peoples names. Only the person who holds the account can change the account, this is the law. I have always transferred my account to a new address and given a final meter reading before I left.

If you are moving but don't want to continue your account (account already in your next place in another name, moving home etc etc) then you transfer it to the LL name and give a final reading. If you completely close your account then the LL has to pay the 1500 euro odd re-connection fee.

I did this last year when moving without any difficulty, rang the ESB and gave LL name and contact number and same with the gas as I was moving to a shared house which already had a gas and ESB account.

In my current house all bills are in the LL's name and the agreement is we just open the bills addressed to him and pay them. Works very well and as its a house share its much easier when people move in/out.

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

You cannot sign someone else up for a contract.:rolleyes:
You call the supplier and tell them you are moving and here is the final meter reading. If there is noone to transfer the bill to they may say they will cut off utilities. It is then the landlord will often put the bill temporarily into his name.

See above, I was told by both ESB and Bord gais that the procedure was to give the LL's name and contact number along with final meter reading when moving out if I did not want to transfer the account elsewhere. The LL obviously had no objection as he didn't want to be landed with a big re-connection fee.

Nino Brown

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Yes and surprisingly the utility companies will accept that but legally the landlord has no responsibility to pay for anything as he never agreed to it in the first place. No contract no agreement. The utility companies tend to hope people don't know about these things

How can someone be liable for a contract they did not enter into?

You're right, but when I call to close my account they ask for a name to change it into. I couldn't care less what happens after that, it's the suppliers problem.

Nekarsulm

Perhaps I was not clear enough in my post. A landlord who gets a tenant for his house, would be very silly not to take the time to ring ESB, who-ever, along with the tenant (in his presence) and give them the details of the new occupier . Otherwise in 4 or 6 months time, landlord will find ESB cut off, tenants gone, and a bill for 800 euro and a re-connection fee.

Pocoyo

chewed wrote: »

We were looking to rent our house out last year as I was planning to work abroad. The estate agent that came out to inspect the house, told me straight up that we should try to get non-nationals in to rent as they take more pride and less likely to destroy the house, compared with the Irish!

Nonsense utter nonsense unless these non nationals are professionals they are just the same if not worse.

fussyonion

I wasn't allowed give my LL's details to ESB. They said, and I quote "He needs to contact us himself."

Anyway this is going off topic now..

fussyonion

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Perhaps I was not clear enough in my post. A landlord who gets a tenant for his house, would be very silly not to take the time to ring ESB, who-ever, along with the tenant (in his presence) and give them the details of the new occupier . Otherwise in 4 or 6 months time, landlord will find ESB cut off, tenants gone, and a bill for 800 euro and a re-connection fee.

The Landlord does not open accounts for tenants.
I've been renting eleven years and it's always been the tenants' responsibility to open/close their utility accounts!

Call Me Jimmy

OP while I do sympathise you've already been advised by at least two posters to burn the place to the ground so how much more can we help you? :pac:

RoboRat

and a bill for 800 euro and a re-connection fee.

Reconnection fee is under €80. The bill is not my responsibility as I am not the account holder and the bill does not transfer or is not placed on the property.

The ESB have to follow up with the account holder, even if they were not responsible either. I will obviously work with the previous tenants to verify that they are not responsible. I have the current tenants PPS details along with where he works so that may help the ESB to collect the money owed.

dmc17

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

OP while I do sympathise you've already been advised by at least two posters to burn the place to the ground so how much more can we help you? :pac:

Less advice and more action!! :pac:

artful_codger

RoboRat wrote: »

Locks have been changed and I am clearing it out tomorrow. No contact in a months calling, nobody been in the house for a few weeks so we have checked legally and it can be classified as abandoned.

Loads of decent electrical there so will keep it for the minimum and if they don't claim it, I'm selling to pay for the redecorating. If they do claim, I am looking into whether I can hold it until they pay for the damage.

Get the prepay.ie electricity meter installed, and ditto for the prepay bord gais meter. No more changing over bills or ripoff estimated readings.

[Deleted User]

RoboRat wrote: »

Reconnection fee is under €80. The bill is not my responsibility as I am not the account holder

Reconnection is up around 1000 euro, so be careful I was told this and its on their website I think.

RoboRat wrote: »

and the bill does not transfer or is not placed on the property

The bill will have to go into your name between tenants unless you plan on leaving the house without electricity.

pcardin

Sadderday wrote: »

some estate agents really don't give a damn, we reported a broken tiolet months ago and leaky roof but the agent wont return our calls.

In my experience sometimes its the tenant that doesnt care about the property and sometimes the estate agents can let the property go to shi't too. Its sad.

But what else would you expect from gobshyte middleman. Estate agent is only interested into profit from landlord not in your problems. :pac:

pcardin

fussyonion wrote: »

I wasn't allowed give my LL's details to ESB. They said, and I quote "He needs to contact us himself."

Anyway this is going off topic now..

true, I was told the same.

RoboRat

Reconnection is up around 1000 euro, so be careful I was told this and its on their website I think.

Says €79.45 on the ESB website

https://www.electricireland.ie/ei/residential/manage-your-account/reconnections-new-connections.jsp

The bill will have to go into your name between tenants unless you plan on leaving the house without electricity.

Yeah the bill goes into my name but not the outstanding balance. You can't just lump a balance onto somebody who is not responsible.

fussyonion

Interestingly I just remembered something..

When I close my ESB account, I opened a new account in my new home.
I still had an outstanding bill from the old property, so even though they closed the account, they forwarded the bill to my new home and said I'd still need to pay that off and then start on my new account.

[Deleted User]

RoboRat wrote: »

Says €79.45 on the ESB website

https://www.electricireland.ie/ei/residential/manage-your-account/reconnections-new-connections.jsp

Thats a new thing since I moved less than a year ago, there was no "less than 6 months" cheap reconnection then.

RoboRat wrote: »

Yeah the bill goes into my name but not the outstanding balance. You can't just lump a balance onto somebody who is not responsible.

Of course, I wasn't suggesting that at all. What I meant was that a tenant moving out transfers the account to the LL and gives the reading on the day they move out and therefore are billed to that date.

Ray Palmer

We into a flat I rent after the tenants appeared to be missing and the mother of the woman rang asking if we saw them. So we went down and opened the hall door. We instantly feared they were dead due to the smell. Went up stairs and the smells got worse and worse.

Called, shouted, and no response. Really thought they were dead and decomposing inside. Went in and the smell was eye watering. Looked around to see if they were there dead. No, found the smell though. They had rubbish bags behind the sofa full of used nappies. Maggots and flies all over the place. So we called around to the mother to say it looks like they haven't been there in a while. Then we see the two kids of the couple in the mothers. It turns out they went away for the weekend to London a month ago and had never returned. Leaving their two kids with the grandmother.

Now this house was also disgusting and she insisted we came in. The smell was nearly as bad and she insisted we sat down as I was about to I see a rubbish bag behind the sofa. There were definitely used nappies in it. My mother sat down and started to say how she had feared they were dead and how they had been putting nappies in a bag behind the sofa. The woman acted as if she was disgusted.

My mam rambled on and I just stopped her and said we are in no position to judge people have different standards but she kept talk to the woman saying how disgusting this was. I eventually just said there is bag of used nappies right behind you. The woman just casually says it is only half full. It was a black refuse sack!:eek:
My mam jumped up so quickly.

Anyway while cleaning out the place we found multiple refuse sack full with nappies underneath the stairs. It took about a month to clear the smell. There were some under the beds too. This was when rubbish collection was free. They just didn't put the stuff out. It would have been easier to put it out than stuff it under the stairs. Some people live like pigs.

There is one tenant I have to call into once a month to make sure she keeps the place clean. The owner of the property doesn't want to throw her out on the street. She can't function like a normal human and claims she has no sense of smell. Strange considering she wears perfume but then again maybe she can't smell that

ArtyM

I am a tenant.
I have been renting for many years and have only ever moved because owners have decided/been forced to sell their properties.
I am once again in this situation, having been in a house for over 3 years, a house that has been impeccably looked after. Even the estate agents commented on the condition of the house when viewings were facilitated.

However, I have to say that as I search for a new place to live and create a home, the quality of sh*te that has been shown to me is astonishing. Some landlords and Estate Agents have absolutely no qualms passing off unclean, substandard, and uncared for properties as suitable, ideal, or 'in excellent order'.

Yes, there may be bad tenants out there but I can assure you that, based on my experience, there are a hell of a lot of bad landlords with bad properties too.

fussyonion

Absolutely, Arty.

I remember going to view a property and it was one of those viewings where everyone is told to meet at the house at a certain time and view it together.
So, from the outside it looked lovely.

We all went in and we'd only stepped inside the hall and one lady said "Sorry,not for me" and off she went.
We carried on looking and we were just appalled.

The kitchen had exposed cables and wires sticking out of wall corners and from the ceiling, the floor was like a pot-holed road and the living room had CONCRETE floors.

One of the bedrooms was obviously a childs' room and the wall was covered in stickers and the wallpaper was falling down.
The carpets had cigarette burns in them and there was a big hole in the roof
Landlord said he wouldn't be doing it up and take it as you find it.

He wanted €1,200 for the place as well!!
We left the property immediately.