Mc Jakester wrote: » Brian O’Dea of AGSI’s national executive backed the motion, pointing out that in the UK, members of the counterpart of the Garda Reserve, the Special Constables wear a uniform that is very different from the regular force.
Raider190 wrote: » There a lot more important issues than this. How many motions have been made by AGSI and the GRA over the years.... How many ever get accepted....??????? There are more serious issues which need to addressed. What would happen if a GR was targeted on the street because of their rank and their reduced powers. Would make some legal precedent dont you think.
bluetop wrote: » Health & Safety would be a big player in this and i think AGS are aware of this, can you imagine the publicity that would come out of this should a GR be injured, the media would have a field day not to mention the claim that would ensue.[/quote Exactly so can't see it happening
Shady Tady wrote: » Yes, there should be seperate uniforms, the public should know that the person in the uniform is a reserve and not full time with full time powers. Nurses have different uniforms depending on qualifications. I see reserves on their own more and more at events etc against regulations and it's masking that lack of real resources on the ground. I think the fact managers in AGS have looked for this is there way of saying that it's not working and in fact a waste of resources. This government would put cut out card board images of gardai on the street if they thought they would get away with it, actually they would take less minding by full time members who could get on with the real job!
msg11 wrote: » I understand what you are saying. But at the end of the day, it comes down to not only the Reserve saying I am not to be on my own I need a full time member with me but also a Full time member putting there foot down and saying the Reserve should not be on his own. Maybe it's a cause of the full timer not opening there mouth cause they will be stuck with the Reserve. I mean, would a Full time member put up with Reserves driving cars around because they were told? No way. Been blunt, Garda are there to enforce the law, if they can't even enforce there own regulations. It's very clear, under no circumstances should a Reserve member ever be left to do police work without a full time member to oversee there actions. I have posted on here before regards the topic of overtime for Garda that us Reserves are apparently taking off members. At these events, Garda overtime is set in stone. Say 10,000 euro for an event. Once this is used up, they call on the Reserves. Like a Reserve water tank, it comes into play once the main pool is used up. So regardless if the Reserve was here or wasn't that O/T is at 10,000 and if there's a problem getting Garda to work at the event they will force members from other stations to attend the event. So it comes down to this and I think members should vote on it. Do full timers want the help from the Reserve or not. It's simple stuff, non of this pissing around with uniforms and powers. If the vote is yes, uniform stays and more powers are granted. If not the Reserve is disbanded end of story.
bluetop wrote: » Is this topic about uniforms or reserves on their own ?? This is also not about FT and PT start another topic if you wish to discuss this matter please, maybe now we can get back on topic of Uniforms
Shady Tady wrote: » I see reserves on their own more and more at events etc against regulations and it's masking that lack of real resources on the ground. I think the fact managers in AGS have looked for this is there way of saying that it's not working and in fact a waste of resources. This government would put cut out card board images of gardai on the street if they thought they would get away with it, actually they would take less minding by full time members who could get on with the real job!
bluetop wrote: » Try this part for a start do you think if they changed the uniform that would make and difference to a reserve been on their own. Guys this is all waffle we all know that AGSI and GRA dont want us under any circumstance and have not done so since 2006, have they been able to make any head way in changing things "nope" so this is like putting the cart before the horse. They just like to hear themselves rant on so let them have their say is it going to change things most certainty not, under health & safety guidelines this would put the Reserve in the front line of fire, now maybe thats what the AGSI want, just remember when you are out with a FT he or she is 100% responsible for you, as the GRA have said time and time using their words not mine they are BabySitting the Reserves, it should be the same as it is in the Uk independent patrol then the Reserve is is responsible for his or her actions plain and simple, this is what the GRA wanted no independent patrol that was part of the deal for letting it in now its in they dont want it either way, well guys too late its in and i dont ever see it been mooted out, or changing of uniforms either.
Shady Tady wrote: » Why would reserves be in the line of fire?
Raider190 wrote: » Shady have you spoken face to face with any reserve's. If you have or had You would realise that contery to popular belief on any given day reserves put themselves at personal risk along with their full time colleagues in order to ensure the safety of the public
Raider190 wrote: » In your opinion only
Shady Tady wrote: » Why would a wearing a different uniform matter so unless reserves want to be able to give the impression they are full time and don't want people knowing they are reserves. They shouldn't have a problem wearing it, student garda had light blue epaulettes in the past and were easily identifiable as students and it wasn't a big problem.
Shady Tady wrote: » Yes and the vast majority of full time members!
Santa Cruz wrote: » It's very evident from the start that full time Gardai did not and still don't want the Reserves. Saying otherwise won't change that. It was a Government scheme aimed at undermining the full time service and providing a cut price police force. The uproar from Reserves that have not got through the recruitment highlights the false promises of government
Raider190 wrote: » Totally disagree. Where was this uproar recorded please quote your source. was it published anywhere, was a Poll taken of the 1250 plus reserves taken and I didn't get the email
Shady Tady wrote: » Wasn't there a forum running on it here that had to be closed down and a few banned including meself and yourself, remember?
magumadoo wrote: » I'm a serving garda reserve and this uniform issue is nonsense, if a member of the public needs to speak to a full time member a reserve garda should be with or within shouting distance of the a full time garda weather on the beat, mobile patrol or in the public office of a station. Public order incidents I believe requiring a uniformed response, should be just thats UNIFORMED.
Raider190 wrote: » Totally agree there is so much unqualified opinion on this forum it staggers belief. Some have never even spoken to a reserve let alone know what role or duties we perform.
Santa Cruz wrote: » I prefer to speak to the organ grinder
Shady Tady wrote: » I'm a full time member, i think that might qualify me to have an opinion!
Raider190 wrote: » Are you really .......didn't get that impression from your previous posts
