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Prime time tonight.

Busted Flat.

Do not know where to put this thread, looking at Prime Time tonight is truly disturbing, free cars for the top cats, as Callinan said Digusting.

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Dyr

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Just asking, did you see the program.

yep

c_man

NIMAN wrote: »

Made for sad viewing, is there anything in this country that works/runs efficiently?

Revenue commissoners are pretty efficient. Go figure :pac:

washman3

Bambi wrote: »

a lot of the reporting on ambulance coverage does'nt really make sense, if you live out in the under populated arse end of nowhere then you're not going to get an ambulance out to you within 20 minutes

Where did anyone mention anything about getting an ambulance to 'the arse end of nowhere' in 20 mins. Few can expect this and its not an issue. Maybe you didn't see PrimeTime tonight.
F.Y.I a politican will have no problem visiting 'the arse end of nowhere' looking for votes at election time.

vicwatson

maringo

Can't find the words to express the rage I felt seeing injured people deprived of emergency medical assistance by the very service they are funding with their tax. Its an outrage to see what appears to be the misappropriation of these vehicles for personal use of staff instead of their proper purpose. They should be available 24/7 to respond to accidents/emergencies. Someone needs to investigate this scandal and take charge and sort out these practices. Until that "service" is overhauled and a competent person put in charge the public as usual continue paying the price. This waste of our scarce resource cannot be allowed to continue.

vicwatson

What county is Martin Dunne from anyone know?

My name is URL

The thing that shocked me most is the disparity between stats here and in the UK... considering how much smaller we are.

75% of ambulances in the UK, responding to call-outs involving life threatening ailments or injuries, arrive within 18 minutes... as opposed to 30% here. Did I mishear that?

Busted Flat.

My name is URL wrote: »

The thing that shocked me most is the disparity between stats here and in the UK... considering how much smaller we are.

75% of ambulances in the UK arrive to call-outs within 18 minutes... as opposed to 30% here. Did I mishear that?

No you didn't.

foggy_lad

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I live less than ten minutes from an ambulance station. There's ambulance cover there 144 hours a week (168 hours in a week remember) BUT this is provided by two crews and the hours frequently overlap.

So if I have a heart attack now I might be seen to within 15 minutes. If I have one after midnight you could be talking an hour and a half. That's not right.

The ambulance service provided by the HSE is mostly a 9 to 5, Monday to Friday operation!

woodoo

So long as people don't lose their jobs when wrong has been done then nothing can really change. People aren't held to account in Ireland like they are in serious countries. If people can't be disciplined up to and including sackings then there is no incentive to do things right.

Busted Flat.

woodoo wrote: »

So long as people don't lose their jobs when wrong has been done then nothing can really change. People aren't held to account in Ireland like they are in serious countries. If people can't be disciplined up to and including sackings then there is no incentive to do things right.

Unions.

dreamers75

woodoo wrote: »

So long as people don't lose their jobs when wrong has been done then nothing can really change. People aren't held to account in Ireland like they are in serious countries. If people can't be disciplined up to and including sackings then there is no incentive to do things right.

Think you will find its pretty much the same the world over, the only ever victim in anything like this is the scapegoat.

quangos must live forever or be renamed into tribunals.

greedygoblin

One comparison that struck me as well was that the service to the islands off the west coast of Scotland was better than what we get in some regions here. It is an indictment of those who run our ambulance service and more generally, the department of health.

Gringo180

Sorry folks missed tonights programme, so basically these rapid response ambulances are been used for personal use by staff when there off duty?? Surely this cant be true???

fingal raven

People interested in this issue should have a look at the Emergency Services forum, where there is a thread on the ambulance service in Dublin. There is a move to transfer the city's ambulance service from the Fire Brigade to the NAS. DFB have provided an excellent service to the city for over 100 years and now there is a move to have it transferred to the NAS. It is important for the people of Dublin to make sure that this does not happen. For those living outside Dublin you should put pressure on local TDs to look into FIRE/EMS service country wide.

ProfessorPlum

My name is URL wrote: »

The thing that shocked me most is the disparity between stats here and in the UK... considering how much smaller we are.

75% of ambulances in the UK, responding to call-outs involving life threatening ailments or injuries, arrive within 18 minutes... as opposed to 30% here. Did I mishear that?

Yep, The HSE can't even come close to response times achieved in the scottish isles, and they want to take the ambulance service in Dublin provided by the Dublin Fire Brigade ffs.

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Unions.

I'm not sure if that's a justifiably directed comment. I'd imagine most of the mangers with the 100,000 Euro rapid response vehicles parked up outside their houses are not in the 'unions'. And I'd guess Martin Dunne, who thinks he's providing the 'best ambulance service in the world' isn't either!

foggy_lad

Carlow town has several vehicles but only one crew available after hours and they often have to provide cover for Kilkenny if the ambulance there is required to go to Dublin or Waterford, Kilkenny also covers for Carlow.

Often if someone in Carlow needs an ambulance and the single ambulance os on a call it will be the Kilkenny or even Waterford ambulance that attends because the HSE won't allow a second "on-call" crew to be mobilised from Carlow because of the extra overtime cost of the "on-call" crew!

People in Carlow have been left up to and over 60 minutes waiting for ambulances!

washman3

Just as you mention it, I gave up reading the Emergency Services Forum many moons ago. It had become infested with back-slapping clowns that live in a cocoon and totally swamped in their own egos.

greedygoblin

Gringo180 wrote: »

Sorry folks missed tonights programme, so basically these rapid response ambulances are been used for personal use by staff when there off duty?? Surely this cant be true???

Yep. They are being used by some personnel to travel to and from work. One was used to travel from Dublin (place of work) to Donegal where it was left out of service at weekends and for 2 weeks over christmas.

Another (maybe the same one?) was taken across the border to Derry from where it would have been unable to reach an emergency anywhere in the Republic within the reccommended times.

foggy_lad

Gringo180 wrote: »

Sorry folks missed tonights programme, so basically these rapid response ambulances are been used for personal use by staff when there off duty?? Surely this cant be true???

Not just any staff though but managers who use them for driving to and from work which can be 100+ miles each way, and all with diesel paid for by the taxpayer.

Busted Flat.

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

Yep, The HSE can't even come close to response times achieved in the scottish isles, and they want to take the ambulance service in Dublin provided by the Dublin Fire Brigade ffs.

I'm not sure if that's a justifiably directed comment. I'd imagine most of the mangers with the 100,000 Euro rapid response vehicles parked up outside their houses are not in the 'unions'. And I'd guess Martin Dunne, who thinks he's providing the 'best ambulance service in the world' isn't either!

Correct me if I am mistaken, all public employees are in some organisation whether unions or representative outfit. Isn't that what fooked the country.

Gringo180

greedygoblin wrote: »

Yep. They are being used by some personnel to travel to and from work. One was used to travel from Dublin (place of work) to Donegal where it was left out of service at weekends and for 2 weeks over christmas.

Another (maybe the same one?) was taken across the border to Derry from where it would have been unable to reach an emergency anywhere in the Republic within the reccommended times.

Truely outrageous stuff. Nothing surprises me anymore in this country!

oak5548

ryanch09 wrote: »

Hear what yer man said at the very end? "We have the best ambulance service in the world..."

HAH! I laugh at the stupidity of that statement, clearly he needs to take his head out of his arse and cop on to the state of the service he is paid to run.

He said we have the best in terms of staff training and equipment.

For the most part, the training standards of ambulance staff and the on board equipment they use is top quality, far superior to the US.

The vehicles are top quality too when first received, BUT they dont replace them and they're used far too much so when ambulances get 500,000 miles on the clock and breakdown twice a week then they're in a terrible state.

Ireland performs well there. Its the lack of staff, crews, vehicles, response times and the abuse of management thats absolutely appaling.

Dyr

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Unions.

As opposed to the non union ambulance service in the UK

languagenerd

Watching that made me angry. I know the country's in a mess financially, but healthcare and ambulance provision should be right at the top of the list of priorities, along with Garda funding (I know they never were, even during the boom). But it's a sickening thought that we live in a country where taxes are relatively high but a takeaway pizza arrives faster than an ambulance or the police, even in urban areas near a base/station.

As for the cars - are they meant to be "on call" when they're off? Because I'm not sure how you can be on call when you're a 3hr drive away from work, or over the border technically in another country. If that's the official purpose of the cars, they should never have been allocated to those particular people, especially when there's such a shortage in some counties!

Yer man Dunne isn't winning any favour with that aggressive tone either. I get that he's stuck with limited resources but being so confrontational won't get anyone on side. "The best ambulance service in the world"?! Cop on.

ProfessorPlum

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Correct me if I am mistaken, all public employees are in some organisation whether unions or representative outfit. Isn't that what fooked the country.

You might well be right, (I'm not involved in the service or public service) but I honestly don't think 'the unions' are the problem here. Savage cuts, poor management, and misuse of resources seem to be the primary culprits here. The HSE couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery, and their management of the ambulance service doesn't seem to be any different.

Busted Flat.

Bambi wrote: »

As opposed to the non union ambulance service in the UK

Something that was not raised tonight, the absenteeism in the health service, how does it compare with the UK. Which you state is non union.

Dyr

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Something that was not raised tonight, the absenteeism in the health service, how does it compare with the UK. Which you state is non union.

Ambulance services in the UK are not union, I was just pointing out how daft your comment was

NonBeliever14

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057171652&page=2

Bafucin

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Do not know where to put this thread, looking at Prime Time tonight is truly disturbing, free cars for the top cats, as Callinan said Digusting.

This country has so past so far beyond corrupt it's appalling.