BizzyC wrote: » Who carried out the study? Where was it published? Do the results have the backing of the medical community?
P_1 wrote: » Does nicotine cause the illnesses that are known risks for smokers? Nope, that would be the tar, carbon monoxide and countless other chemicals that are burned in an attempt to extract nicotine from tobacco leaves. At the risk of repeating myself, nicotine is a mild stimulant , quite similar to caffeine in its effect on the body.
BizzyC wrote: » Ok let me rephrase that, show me a food that puts a stimulant drug into the air and I'll back it's banning. Or, show me an e-cigarette that actually releases nothing but a smell and I'll support it's use.
pundy wrote: » anyway, they'll probably be banned, then outlawed and it's all because the big pharma want us to get cancer, so they can bleed us dry of our money. same goes for the government - they want our tax money for cigs. this country is such a joke.
P_1 wrote: » I wouldn't go that far but the fact remains that 3 fairly powerful lobbies stand to lose out on a lot of money as vaping becomes more popular.
BizzyC wrote: » That is a fantastic point. I don't think I've ever come across such a well put and intelligent argument towards banning of food. It's quite possible that people actually get fat by inhaling the air surrounding their meals as opposed to eating the meal itself.... Tests have shown that the vapour from ecigs does contain nicotine. Just because it's better than 2nd hand tobacco smoke doesn't mean it should get a green light. Show me a food that puts a chemical in the air supply and I will gladly stand by a ban on eating it in public too.
SpaceTime wrote: » I agree that they're probably A LOT safer than inhaling smoke and certainly a lot less noxious to bystanders. However, I think with any thing that's going to be delivered into your lungs as a drug basically you need to have proper testing and approval and consumer protection. I also don't like how this is being marketed either. While they are targeting smokers, they could equally be targeting people who've never smoked before. At the end of the day, it's an addictive substance and we regulate everything else in that area i.e. the alcoholic beverages industry and cigarettes.
BizzyC wrote: » People should have input into what stimulants are introduced to their systems no? If I'm drinking coffee is it ok for me to force everyone around me to have a mouthfull too? If you decide to introduce the stimulant to your system, that's fine with me, but don't do it in a way that forces others to partake.
P_1 wrote: » Which they already have under food standards. I agree that some of the marketing does leave a bit of a bad taste in the mouth mind.
SpaceTime wrote: » You don't consume food by inhalation though which is where their approval of a food is completely irrelevant.
P_1 wrote: » Tell me, what does one do when they swallow in that case?
pundy wrote: » same goes for those stinking fatso's who open up their crisps or sandwiches in front of people on the train or bus. it's disgusting.
P_1 wrote: » I'd wager that you would imbibe more nicotine from a forkful of mashed spud than you would from somebody else vaping in your presence though.
SpaceTime wrote: » That's called eating i.e. food goes from your mouth to your digestive system, not your lungs. If ever inhale a potato you will find out the difference and I would suggest having a resuscitation team on stand by! In terms of regulation, inhaled products would probably fall into the class of a drug delivery system i.e. like inhalers for asthma etc.
BizzyC wrote: » Ok let me rephrase that, show me a food that puts a stimulant drug into the air and I'll back it's banning.
strobe wrote: » http://chesterfoodanddrink.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Crazy-Cow-Coffee.jpg
Tiddlypeeps wrote: » Can you categorically prove there is no caffeine in the smell the people around you are getting from your coffee?
cometogether wrote: » Why ban these but allow fast food?
Jane Cregan from Irish Rail said the decision to ban the e-cigarettes was made because, Passengers were not comfortable about being in an enclosed space with people smoking and they didn’t want to inhale other people’s vapour. Cregan said “We’ve worked hard to eradicate smoking on our services and we didn’t want a situation where there was confusion about what cigarettes could and couldn’t be smoked. “It’s hard for staff to police, we didn’t want any ambiguity in relation to smoking. We will now have clarity from that point of view. All cigarettes are now banned. Reaction Cregan said the reaction so far has been mostly positive. The majority of people are in favour of the outright ban and think it’s a good idea. “They don’t want to inhale vapour and as it stands it’s certainly unclear what comes out of these devices but we’re not involved in health promotion, that’s not why we banned them. We made the decision to ban e-cigarettes because passengers didn’t want them being smoked beside them and it was also very difficult to police. “Our counterparts in the UK and Europe have also banned electronic cigarettes”.
SpaceTime wrote: » Until you start misting concentrated espressos and snorting them up your nose, it's still not quite the same thing. Although... I can see it taking off!
BizzyC wrote: » Coffee, no caffeine is airborne. Interestingly, studies have shown that to coffee drinkers the smell alone can trigger a stimulant effect in the brain, without the presence of the stimulant. Caffeine vapour, yes it is. If I was sitting next to you using a caffeine inhaler, then you could make the exact same argument.
Davarus Walrus wrote: » Considering the price they charge for a ticket I'd expect to be able to snort coke off a hookers ass while listening to death metal, and get away with it.
Jane Cregan from Irish Rail said the decision to ban the e-cigarettes was made because,Passengers were not comfortable about being in an enclosed space with people smoking and they didn’t want to inhale other people’s vapour. Cregan said “We’ve worked hard to eradicate smoking on our services and we didn’t want a situation where there was confusion about what cigarettes could and couldn’t be smoked. “It’s hard for staff to police, we didn’t want any ambiguity in relation to smoking. We will now have clarity from that point of view. All cigarettes are now banned. Reaction Cregan said the reaction so far has been mostly positive. The majority of people are in favour of the outright ban and think it’s a good idea. “They don’t want to inhale vapour and as it stands it’s certainly unclear what comes out of these devices but we’re not involved in health promotion, that’s not why we banned them. We made the decision to ban e-cigarettes because passengers didn’t want them being smoked beside them and it was also very difficult to police. “Our counterparts in the UK and Europe have also banned electronic cigarettes”.
