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Why don't we riot like mad ejits

teR_

You turn on the news and ya see all these countries around us that were/are in the shlt, there all running around like lunatics breaking things and burning stuff.

Here we are and we don't even do the peaceful side of it, am I the only one disappointed in our incapacity to do anythings?

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Knob Longman

renegademaster wrote: »

we are where we are because while so many were busy organising protests, occupy etc the whole country seemed to be busy at the same time no matter what time or day each and every single protest was on.

believe me when i tell ya it broke my fcuking heart everytime there was a good reason to hit the streets only to be laughed and pointed at on marches or physically attacked during occupy.

i am still gobsmacked tbh

Snobbishness towards protests, Typical of the place, There is an old saying "You can't argue with a fool" which is fairly apt regarding Ireland..

languagenerd

This thread has gone rather off topic now. Do I want to see Ireland's economy back on track? Yes, of course. Do I want to see those corrupt bankers and politicians who helped bring the country to its knees held to account? Yes. Do I want Germany to run Europe? Of course not. But do I think riots will achieve anything to help the previous three situations? No, I don't.

Imagine there were riots in our city centres. Imagine buildings were burnt and smashed and whatever else you think riots should entail. The consequences of that are:
(1) Some people injured or even killed. Lives torn apart. Pressure on the already under-funded emergency services.
(2) The government, already looking at a huge bill for the floods this year, have to figure out how to fund all the repairs. Taxes may increase.
(3) Businesses see their premises and stock destroyed. Some of these are already pushed to the edge by recession: they can't afford to rebuild. Their workforce must go on the dole, costing the government a lot of money, plus lost income tax.
(4) Anyone who's lost their job now doesn't buy lunches in town, or use public transport as often, or go to the shops near their jobs after work. Other local businesses lose out. Further potential job losses and increased social welfare bills. People can't afford any non-essential items, so businesses all over the country lose out.
(5) People lose confidence in the city centre - what if another riot breaks out? They go to shopping centres or travel to another town instead. More shops lose business, further job losses. (This happened to a certain degree in Belfast last Christmas with all the flag trouble)
(6) Tourists see images of Irish riots on the news. They decide it's not safe to come here and choose a different destination. More lost business, more job losses, less money to the exchequer.

And all to achieve... what? To let the government know we're unhappy? There are other ways of doing this, ways that don't involve shooting ourselves in the foot and destroying our own cities.

renegademaster

fr336 wrote: »

Haha so true!

man if i had a euro for everytime i heard some non-sense excuse of a citizen tryin to make a point while exposing themselves to be in a deep sleep i'd be a fcuking tax exile

fr336

renegademaster wrote: »

that's right, prioritise holding a random internet poster to account for non-sensical post but leave the politicians and their ilk to do their job and if we're not satisfied in apr 2016 we can vote another corrupt shower into government safe in the knowledge that the irish people will do nothing even when shown blatent corruption

Haha so true!

renegademaster

DistanceVector wrote: »

I take your point, I am a keyboard warrior.

But this keyboard warrior's head feels like its about to explode with the way this state is being run and each day it just descends deeper and deeper into the cesspit.

We deserve more as a people, and don't give me 'you get the govt you deserve' crap.

The whole game is rigged. We just swap one goon squad for another every few years.

I don't know whats to be done exactly .

I AM GOING TO JOIN A POLITICAL PARTY AND GET ACTIVE.

Most likely Sinn Fein.

I am in the process of moving to Cork but when I get there I am joining up.

I aint sayin they have all the answers or are any better, but I have to get out from behind this keyboard and talk to other like minded folks who want real progress towards a real, accountable Republic.

Enough corruption and old boys networks covering each other. Its a game to them and they laugh at us plebs.

What are you gonna do beside Snipe from the sidelines?

we are where we are because while so many were busy organising protests, occupy etc the whole country seemed to be busy at the same time no matter what time or day each and every single protest was on.

believe me when i tell ya it broke my fcuking heart everytime there was a good reason to hit the streets only to be laughed and pointed at on marches or physically attacked during occupy.

i am still gobsmacked tbh

renegademaster

Jonny7 wrote: »

lol..

Maybe posters calling others stupid and handing out insults shouldn't expect to not be challenged on their nonsense

that's right, prioritise holding a random internet poster to account for non-sensical post but leave the politicians and their ilk to do their job and if we're not satisfied in apr 2016 we can vote another corrupt shower into government safe in the knowledge that the irish people will do nothing even when shown blatent corruption

excellent plan, if i were corrupt and i seen the level of civil obedience going on round here i'd be quaking in my fcuking boots :rolleyes:

ps. i also loved that old chestnut "i'm going to protest against the protestors"

ffs that still cracks me up lol

the_syco

teR_ wrote: »

You turn on the news and ya see all these countries around us that were/are in the shlt, there all running around like lunatics breaking things and burning stuff.

Do you know what happens then? Everyone on social welfare gets no money, and people working find their jobs in jeopardy...!

wicklowstevo

DistanceVector wrote: »

I take your point, I am a keyboard warrior.

But this keyboard warrior's head feels like its about to explode with the way this state is being run and each day it just descends deeper and deeper into the cesspit.

We deserve more as a people, and don't give me 'you get the govt you deserve' crap.

The whole game is rigged. We just swap one goon squad for another every few years.

I don't know whats to be done exactly .

I AM GOING TO JOIN A POLITICAL PARTY AND GET ACTIVE.

Most likely Sinn Fein.

I am in the process of moving to Cork but when I get there I am joining up.

I aint sayin they have all the answers or are any better, but I have to get out from behind this keyboard and talk to other like minded folks who want real progress towards a real, accountable Republic.

Enough corruption and old boys networks covering each other. Its a game to them and they laugh at us plebs.

What are you gonna do beside Snipe from the sidelines?

aaawww yes the party that protects murders and peados is better than the one that protects criminal bankers and developers. im afraid your options are more limited than you think. i just hope we dont all panic into electing what is basicly a criminal gang to government

:(:(:(:(

DistanceVector

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Are you at the Dail with a bag full of Molotov Cocktails yet, or are you just referring to my complacent ar$e?

I take your point, I am a keyboard warrior.

But this keyboard warrior's head feels like its about to explode with the way this state is being run and each day it just descends deeper and deeper into the cesspit.

We deserve more as a people, and don't give me 'you get the govt you deserve' crap.

The whole game is rigged. We just swap one goon squad for another every few years.

I don't know whats to be done exactly .

I AM GOING TO JOIN A POLITICAL PARTY AND GET ACTIVE.

Most likely Sinn Fein.

I am in the process of moving to Cork but when I get there I am joining up.

I aint sayin they have all the answers or are any better, but I have to get out from behind this keyboard and talk to other like minded folks who want real progress towards a real, accountable Republic.

Enough corruption and old boys networks covering each other. Its a game to them and they laugh at us plebs.

What are you gonna do beside Snipe from the sidelines?

fr336

Foxhound38 wrote: »

talking about how the Jews apparently secretly control the media etc.

To think in your terms, this isn't apparently or secretly anything - it's all out there and certainly not just on conspiracy sites..:p

Hedge11

fr336 wrote: »

... and label anyone with an opposing view a conspiracy theorist

Kult is seeing hidden conspiracy where it never existed e.g. the widespread, open anti-Semitism of the 19th & 20th centuries.

fr336

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Indeed, more than you know the charter at any rate it seems!

Anyway, back on topic for me

Doesn't make much sense, this. Boring.

Jonny7

fr336 wrote: »

Why are you belittling the user in this way? They don't know for sure, but neither do you. I can understand people choosing not to believe something, and that is course absolutely fine, but why so keen to shut down any discussion on it? What purpose does it serve you? Or don't you even know you're so used to doing it and seeing others do it? Reported.

lol..

Maybe posters calling others stupid and handing out insults shouldn't expect to not be challenged on their nonsense

Foxhound38

fr336 wrote: »

Nah. One post out of 17 pages. But then you knew that of course

Indeed, more than you know the charter at any rate it seems!

Anyway, back on topic for me

fr336 wrote: »

I dunno either way. Maybe the riot comment should be completely ignored and some sensible discussion around the key issues should take place, rather than try as hard as can be to divert attention away from them and label anyone with an opposing view a conspiracy theorist

Why would I ignore the riot comment? It's in the thread title - the thread specifically asks why we're not rioting "like mad eejits". My answer: because it would be a stupid, counter-productive thing to do.

The reason Kult is being accused of conspiracy theorizing is because at several points in the thread, he started spewing out conspiracy theories. Including one as I recall whereby he linked a video from famed US racist and lunatic David Duke talking about how the Jews apparently secretly control the media etc.

fr336

Foxhound38 wrote: »

It wouldn't make what any less true? That we should be "throwing some $hit back at the Government"? OK, what does that mean? If it means we should go for a Riot, I fail to see how that would help anyone tbh...

I dunno either way. Maybe the riot comment should be completely ignored and some sensible discussion around the key issues should take place, rather than try as hard as can be to divert attention away from them and label anyone with an opposing view a conspiracy theorist

listermint

keithclancy wrote: »

This is like blaming the tee totaler chick in your house for your raging hangover.

That analogy is fundamentally flawed. Unless the teetolling chick owns a chain of alcohol stores that are running happy hour. Amongst other bad analogies in relation to German European Policy.

Foxhound38

fr336 wrote: »

Even if they were being a hypocrite (which I doubt), that wouldn't make what they said any less true. Why are some people so keen to maintain a status quo and not even have the least bit of simple discussion? Obviously there's not government employees on forums everywhere, least of all boards :pac:, which makes it even more bizarre in my eyes

It wouldn't make what any less true? That we should be "throwing some $hit back at the Government"? OK, what does that mean? If it means we should go for a Riot, I fail to see how that would help anyone tbh...

fr336

Foxhound38 wrote: »

I've wandered into a thread about spelling pedantism, it seems

Nah. One post out of 17 pages. But then you knew that of course

Grizzly 45

P_1 wrote: »

Because contrary to popular belief we aren't actually mad ejits....

Although TIL the german finance ministry is in the same building that a certain Herr Goering used to occupy

It actually the Revenue officals not the finance ministry.

Foxhound38

fr336 wrote: »

Whose*

I've wandered into a thread about spelling pedantism, it seems

Hedge11

fr336 wrote: »

Reported.

fr336 wrote: »

Whose*

Language Nazism. Reported*

*I wouldn't be such a tit. Well, I wouldn't seriously put "reported" in a post.

fr336

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Are you at the Dail with a bag full of Molotov Cocktails yet, or are you just referring to my complacent ar$e?

Even if they were being a hypocrite (which I doubt), that wouldn't make what they said any less true. Why are some people so keen to maintain a status quo and not even have the least bit of simple discussion? Obviously there's not government employees on forums everywhere, least of all boards :pac:, which makes it even more bizarre in my eyes

Foxhound38

DistanceVector wrote: »

Take away the dole and Sky sports and there would be a second Republic in a week.

It is about time we got off our fat complacent arses and threw some of this sh1t back at the govt.

Are you at the Dail with a bag full of Molotov Cocktails yet, or are you just referring to my complacent ar$e?

fr336

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Have they been on the phone about that honourary PhD in Politics and Economics yet? :rolleyes:

Who's plan are you talking about exactly?

Whose*

Hedge11

kult wrote: »

now it is pro semitic:) they have to be , otherwise FED will destroy them like in big fake recession they created nearly 90 years ago:)

What's FED? Federal something-or-other?

kult

Jonny7 wrote: »

Go on, tell us..

I will not entertain you , no point, you will deny anything so I will just ignore you, and actually I have to work now so unfollow, keep living in your dreams my darling:D

Foxhound38

kult wrote: »

The plan is and always was: get countries into a huge debt, crush the economy and make people slaves , and it's working. We are all slaves to the system which squeezes out more and more of us... some of us just do not realize this just yet...and euro zone is a total failure, always was, even at the very beginning...

Have they been on the phone about that honourary PhD in Politics and Economics yet? :rolleyes:

Who's plan are you talking about exactly?

kult

fr336 wrote: »

Why are you belittling the user in this way? They don't know for sure, but neither do you. I can understand people choosing not to believe something, and that is course absolutely fine, but why so keen to shut down any discussion on it? What purpose does it serve you? Or don't you even know you're so used to doing it and seeing others do it? Reported.

leave him, he is just half brain not awaken yet child, like a troll, that's fine with me:)

Jonny7

kult wrote: »

hahaha you did not understand what I said haha

anyway, who is in control of FED and banks...not jews, but you would know:D

Go on, tell us..

fr336

Jonny7 wrote: »

Tell us more about another one of your conspiracy theories

Are there Jews in this one? I have my money on ze Jews involved somewhere, that or the Rothschilds

Why are you belittling the user in this way? They don't know for sure, but neither do you. I can understand people choosing not to believe something, and that is course absolutely fine, but why so keen to shut down any discussion on it? What purpose does it serve you? Or don't you even know you're so used to doing it and seeing others do it? Reported.