Playstation 4 Or Xbox One? (See mod warning in the first post)

Grayditch wrote: »

That's Resogun. It was funny, on day one, everyone that had a PS4 on my list was using their 400 quid console to play that all day, including me. I don't think it was an important game to anyone until they loaded it up. Not nearly a dealbreaker, but a cool surprise for a lot of people.

It's a big plus for the PS4 and if there were more fantastic indie exclusives to come it would definitely nudge me in the PS4 direction. Still waiting to hear what Xbox has to offer on the indie front.

Magill

wrt40 wrote: »

Not everyone is basing it purely on graphics and hardware, which is why I have to ask the question, what else does the PS4 have to offer? Believe me I've done extensive research on this, I'm only going to buy one of them so I want to get the best one, and it's hard to find any arguments other than the PS4 has better hardware, higher resolution and is therefore the better console....oh and Xbox One is ****e and may Microsoft burn in hell. A few people say they prefer the PS4 exclusive games, but the vast majority are arguing over hardware.

That is not my argument, I'm looking for something more than just higher resolution on ported games. What I'm saying is if I was to take the PS4 argument and base my decision on the PS4 having better hardware and therefore better graphics, if that is what I'm basing my decision on then why settle for a PS4 when I can go further with a decent spec'ed PC or steambox? What I want to know is what exactly does the PS4 have to offer other than higher resolution?

I have to say I'm disappointed that the PS4 is doing better than the xbox because Sony have brought absolutely nothing new to the generation. Its just a PS3 with better graphics, or a PC with poorer graphics. I'm also disappointed that Microsoft did a U-turn on their always on, disc-less strategy. Some blogs are now suggesting they may be coming out with a Kinect-less console in the future, another U-turn? I want to see all the next-gen features being used, not abandoned. Overall this generation of consoles is shaping up to be a huge disappointment. Going the PC route is now a serious consideration for me.

I'm assuming pc gaming would be new to you ? Or at least something you don't have access to atm?

If so, I think it's an easy choice tbh.. some reasons -

- huge catlog of games already available
- has by far the biggest exclusive collection
- Genre's you just can't get on console (rts, good mmorpgs, mobas,simulators etc)
- Best value for money in terms of games ( Not just sales, but also the large amount of top class ftp games )
- Better graphics
- Better control options
- No generation barrier
- Best multimedia center
- possible small or large form factor
- more community-based games
- Best platform for competitive gaming

Etc

gaynorvader

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

What major problems? Aside from reliability.
I had one from launch and it was a cracking machine.
Best controller of that gen as well.
Sony weren't hapless, they had no console to compete until much later.

I liked both consoles. I'm one of the freaks that prefers Sony's controllers though (apart from those blasted "triggers").
My biggest problem with the 360, and part of the reason I never owned one personally, was if it got a bump or was moved while on, there was a good chance it would destroy your disk. I also dislike having to pay for online play and am disappointed with Sony for making it mandatory.
I'm not a Sony fanboy (probably a Sega one if I'm honest) and I've never lived in a house that didn't have a 360 since it was launched.
I think Sony were just ambitious with the PS3, much like Sega were with the Dreamcast.

gaynorvader

wrt40 wrote: »

Not everyone is basing it purely on graphics and hardware, which is why I have to ask the question, what else does the PS4 have to offer? Believe me I've done extensive research on this, I'm only going to buy one of them so I want to get the best one, and it's hard to find any arguments other than the PS4 has better hardware, higher resolution and is therefore the better console....oh and Xbox One is ****e and may Microsoft burn in hell. A few people say they prefer the PS4 exclusive games, but the vast majority are arguing over hardware.

That is not my argument, I'm looking for something more than just higher resolution on ported games. What I'm saying is if I was to take the PS4 argument and base my decision on the PS4 having better hardware and therefore better graphics, if that is what I'm basing my decision on then why settle for a PS4 when I can go further with a decent spec'ed PC or steambox? What I want to know is what exactly does the PS4 have to offer other than higher resolution?

I have to say I'm disappointed that the PS4 is doing better than the xbox because Sony have brought absolutely nothing new to the generation. Its just a PS3 with better graphics, or a PC with poorer graphics. I'm also disappointed that Microsoft did a U-turn on their always on, disc-less strategy. Some blogs are now suggesting they may be coming out with a Kinect-less console in the future, another U-turn? I want to see all the next-gen features being used, not abandoned. Overall this generation of consoles is shaping up to be a huge disappointment. Going the PC route is now a serious consideration for me.

The PS4 is only marginally better than the Xbox One. However, it's €100 cheaper. That's what makes it a no-brainer for a lot of people. Titanfall is also coming out on the 360, which means you don't need a Xb1 until the next Halo comes out. Overall it's been a poor launch for Microsoft, if you are a diehard Halo fan, I'd suggest waiting a while to see what they do, there could be a price drop on the cards, much like the PS3 last gen.

Magill wrote: »

I'm assuming pc gaming would be new to you ? Or at least something you don't have access to atm?

If so, I think it's an easy choice tbh.. some reasons -

- huge catlog of games already available
- has by far the biggest exclusive collection
- Genre's you just can't get on console (rts, good mmorpgs, mobas,simulators etc)
- Best value for money in terms of games ( Not just sales, but also the large amount of top class ftp games )
- Better graphics
- Better control options
- No generation barrier
- Best multimedia center
- possible small or large form factor
- more community-based games
- Best platform for competitive gaming

Etc

No not new, I used to be big into PC gaming. not just for the games but the whole building your own rig aspect and the ability to give it a new lease of life with upgrades. I got to the stage where I had less time and consoles became an easy option for a more casual gamer.

I like the idea of a steam box. It's a good cross between PC and console. It's a serious consideration, especially if this generation of consoles doesn't come out with something different. Problem is it's a long way off being ready. It also has some concerns, like I'd want to be able to play any game on it, not just valve games. My doubts a bout a PC rig, money (I can afford it but do I really want to spend that much for some casual gaming?) and time.

gaynorvader wrote: »

The PS4 is only marginally better than the Xbox One. However, it's €100 cheaper. That's what makes it a no-brainer for a lot of people. Titanfall is also coming out on the 360, which means you don't need a Xb1 until the next Halo comes out. Overall it's been a poor launch for Microsoft, if you are a diehard Halo fan, I'd suggest waiting a while to see what they do, there could be a price drop on the cards, much like the PS3 last gen.

It's €100 cheaper but that's not comparing like with like. If you add in the PS Eye then the difference is (I think) €40. Most people don't care about Kinect or PS Eye, so I agree paying €100 extra for something you don't want doesn't make sense. But I would actually like to see Kinect and PS Eye games evolve, as I said I want to see something next generation. they're also more family friendly and more suited for casual gaming, which are considerations for me. It doesn't look like Sony have any plans for the PS Eye, another disappointment. It will need competition between the two for this area to develop.

RasTa

wrt40 wrote: »

It's €100 cheaper but that's not comparing like with like. If you add in the PS Eye then the difference is (I think) €40. Most people don't care about Kinect or PS Eye, so I agree paying €100 extra for something you don't want doesn't make sense. But I would actually like to see Kinect and PS Eye games evolve, as I said I want to see something next generation. they're also more family friendly and more suited for casual gaming, which are considerations for me. It doesn't look like Sony have any plans for the PS Eye, another disappointment. It will need competition between the two for this area to develop.

You still haven't said what you wanted, it's a games console which is used to play games.

Not sure why you keep on mentioning having something different. Sounds like you are done with gaming

_Redzer_

wrt40 wrote: »

It's €100 cheaper but that's not comparing like with like. If you add in the PS Eye then the difference is (I think) €40. Most people don't care about Kinect or PS Eye, so I agree paying €100 extra for something you don't want doesn't make sense. But I would actually like to see Kinect and PS Eye games evolve, as I said I want to see something next generation. they're also more family friendly and more suited for casual gaming, which are considerations for me. It doesn't look like Sony have any plans for the PS Eye, another disappointment. It will need competition between the two for this area to develop.

You won't see cameras evolve for games because they're just useless and gimmicky for that. None of MS's launch games incorporated the camera in any meaningfull way and they never ever will. Games are for controllers because they are precise with no messing around/dumbing down of the game needed.

The camera is solely for the casual/UI.

FAILSAFE 00

RasTa wrote: »

You still haven't said what you wanted, it's a games console which is used to play games.

Not sure why you keep on mentioning having something different. Sounds like you are done with gaming

Every games console is used to play games. So he is asking good questions so that he can make an informed decision about which console to buy. FairPlay...

RasTa wrote: »

You still haven't said what you wanted, it's a games console which is used to play games.

Not sure why you keep on mentioning having something different. Sounds like you are done with gaming

I thought the point of "next generation" gaming is that they have something else to offer. Last generation it was xbox live for me, fantastic (broadband speed issues aside :-)). I know PC was doing it already, I was a massive counter strike fan. But what xbox live brought was a controlled and stable environment. Both consoles also brought gaming to a new level, with Hollywood block buster style franchises. That soon became boring.

So what is it that makes these consoles next generation? Cloud computing is one aspect. Microsoft have huge potential in Kinect and I like the hub of the living room approach.

so I guess at the moment I am leaning more towards the xbox. The better graphics argument on the PS4 just doesn't do it for me, unless there is something else to it, which is what I want to hear! There's already been some good feedback about indie titles such as Resogun which I really like the look of. That's the sort of thing I want to hear so that I can make a decision.

RasTa wrote: »

You still haven't said what you wanted

That's all I'm looking for, some constructive, worthwhile feedback from people who have already purchased.

RasTa

wrt40 wrote: »

That's all I'm looking for, some constructive, worthwhile feedback from people who have already purchased.

Well xbox doesn't work with Sky TV atm if you have that. Sony doesn't do any of that TV crap.

I'd get a Wii-u for now and wait until next year to get a next gen. If you never had a PS3 you will also be able to stream those games on your PS4 with PSNow.

Free games every month is a good reason to go for a PS4, add in the 100 savings and better game studios then it's a no brainer to me.

_Redzer_

Tbh, in terms of entertainment, I fail to see what they xbox can do over the PS4. PS4 has Netflix and all those apps, a blu ray player, etc. IMO, I wouldn't pay €100 for a camera and a console that can do less.

The TV support is US centric and doesn't work here properly and the PS4 is geared more towards the games, it still has all the other stuff, it's just that they're not a big deal as the PS3 had them too.

ShadowHearth

wrt40 wrote: »

Not everyone is basing it purely on graphics and hardware, which is why I have to ask the question, what else does the PS4 have to offer? Believe me I've done extensive research on this, I'm only going to buy one of them so I want to get the best one, and it's hard to find any arguments other than the PS4 has better hardware, higher resolution and is therefore the better console....oh and Xbox One is ****e and may Microsoft burn in hell. A few people say they prefer the PS4 exclusive games, but the vast majority are arguing over hardware.

That is not my argument, I'm looking for something more than just higher resolution on ported games. What I'm saying is if I was to take the PS4 argument and base my decision on the PS4 having better hardware and therefore better graphics, if that is what I'm basing my decision on then why settle for a PS4 when I can go further with a decent spec'ed PC or steambox? What I want to know is what exactly does the PS4 have to offer other than higher resolution?

I have to say I'm disappointed that the PS4 is doing better than the xbox because Sony have brought absolutely nothing new to the generation. Its just a PS3 with better graphics, or a PC with poorer graphics. I'm also disappointed that Microsoft did a U-turn on their always on, disc-less strategy. Some blogs are now suggesting they may be coming out with a Kinect-less console in the future, another U-turn? I want to see all the next-gen features being used, not abandoned. Overall this generation of consoles is shaping up to be a huge disappointment. Going the PC route is now a serious consideration for me.

The reasons for me going ps4 over Xbox one:

Better hardware and better experience for all multiplatform games
I enjoy Sony exclusives way more then MS. In fact, the only exclusive I love on MS side is forza, but the newest one is not even great.
Sony has a very healthy relashinship with smaller studios. Sony does not afraid taking risks and trying out more niche titles. Demon Souls anyone? Lately I enjoy smaller Indy dev games more then trripple A titles.
PlayStation plus service. Its fantastic value. Specially for someone like me who's main platform is not a console.
Cross play with Vita. Fantastic feature.
100eu cheaper.
I already own PC. The only exclusive that MS is raiding right now will be on pc. I will be platpying it 1080p with all candy up to sky heaven.
Console is not my main gaming platform. Its only for exclusives and when I feel lazy. Ps4 suits me a lot better for that.
Controller. Xbox 360 was great controller, now ps4 is even greater controler.
I don't watch TV so all xbox one TV crap will be wasted on me.

Those are things I see what ps4 offers over xbox one in my case. Better hardware is not the only thing that ps4 does well. It all depends on your needs, taste in games. Better multiplatform ports is a big advantrage. By the looks of it, the gap between ports is a lot bigger then it was in last gen. It is big enough to notice.

kunst nugget

wrt40 wrote: »

That's all I'm looking for, some constructive, worthwhile feedback from people who have already purchased.

Here's a discussion of the two systems pretty free of fanboyism going through the pros and cons of the systems that might be of interest to you. It is US based so maybe some of the services they are talking about aren't here yet, I'm not sure.

http://www.usgamer.net/articles/xbox-one-vs-ps4-finding-a-spot-in-our-living-rooms

wrt40 wrote: »

so I guess at the moment I am leaning more towards the xbox. The better graphics argument on the PS4 just doesn't do it for me

Just as a matter of interest, what has you leaning towards an Xbox? Finding that out will help people give you better info in choosing, based on what you're looking for, I guess.

Okay, unbiased opinion from a game journalist who has both:

The Xbox one in the office, and the one at home, are honestly gathering dust. The xbo is a decent machine, but it just can't hold a candle to the value proposition of the ps4.

Not only is Sony's box more powerful, with better multi platform ports, but it's just an all round superior games machine. The ui is vastly superior, with none of the silly over complicated attempt to mimic a computer os, and the range of games, particularly Indies, is currently miles ahead.

I would very enthusiastically recommend avoiding the xbo unless there are some huge announcements of exclusives in the near future from Microsoft which, given the complete dearth of them on the 360 towards the end, looks relatively unlikely.

The likes of Titanfall won't sustain a $500 console

If you MUST get an xbo, wait at least a year. Pick up a ps3 and PS+ subscription and enjoy free games to keep you going in the interim and reevaluate after next Christmas

*edit*

Also worth noting, for the sake of demonstrable impartiality, I've got a much, much, much better relationship with Microsoft than Sony, professionally, so there's no preferential treatment going on here. It'd suit me a LOT better to have MS delivering and succeeding than Sony, from an access and work POV

sarumite

An interesting piece in the eurogamer about MS options (or lack thereof) for a cheaper xbone.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-in-theory-can-microsoft-produce-a-cut-price-xbox-one

The conclusions are

"Overall, then, our suspicion is that all we'll see this year is a price cut, if even that. Viewed through the prism of the core console gamer and the specialist press, the battle between Microsoft and Sony is painted all too easily as an all-or-nothing affair where desperate measures are required to get Xbox One back in the game. But the reality is that there will almost certainly not be a radically revised Xbox One released this year, simply because the production options aren't there, and try as we might, we can't see a reasonable business case where new hardware addresses the challenges Microsoft faces either."

Magill

wrt40 wrote: »

I thought the point of "next generation" gaming is that they have something else to offer. Last generation it was xbox live for me, fantastic (broadband speed issues aside :-)). I know PC was doing it already, I was a massive counter strike fan. But what xbox live brought was a controlled and stable environment. Both consoles also brought gaming to a new level, with Hollywood block buster style franchises. That soon became boring.

So what is it that makes these consoles next generation? Cloud computing is one aspect. Microsoft have huge potential in Kinect and I like the hub of the living room approach.

so I guess at the moment I am leaning more towards the xbox. The better graphics argument on the PS4 just doesn't do it for me, unless there is something else to it, which is what I want to hear! There's already been some good feedback about indie titles such as Resogun which I really like the look of. That's the sort of thing I want to hear so that I can make a decision.

That's all I'm looking for, some constructive, worthwhile feedback from people who have already purchased.

As a counterstrike fan, i can maybe understand why the graphics isn't an issue... but surely better performance is important ? I've played counterstrike for many years and one of the most important things to most players is their frame rate !

I honestly don't believe anyone when they say they don't care about performance, it makes a huge difference. If both consoles are running at 720p but one is getting frame rate drops and the other isn't... then i know which one i'd prefer to be playing on.

Grayditch wrote: »

Just as a matter of interest, what has you leaning towards an Xbox? Finding that out will help people give you better info in choosing, based on what you're looking for, I guess.

- Kinect has a lot of potential to offer something new and innovative. I have my doubts it will deliver though, they didn't come out with anything special last gen and the improvement is not so vast that they're likely to come up with anything this generation. It's more of a hope than anything, I'd love to be at the stage where you're standing in front of the screen using voice and hand gestures for some serious gaming, coupled with a controller (why not). Augmented reality is another potential aspect to be explored.

- It needs to double up as a HTPC, or at least a DLNA client. Also TV apps (net flicks etc) and catch up services. I know neither can do DLNA browsing, but again it's down to potential. Xbox has a lot of potential with gesture, voice control, multitasking. I like the living room hub idea. Because the reality is its not going to be used purely for gaming in my house.

- Xbox live. PS Network just wasn't a patch on Xbox live. I have no idea how it fares on PS4. Free games and indie apps is a big plus, but I wouldn't write Microsoft off on this. It's not like you're going to be comparing graphics on low budget indie titles.

I think that's all. Xbox basically has stepped it up a bit as you would expect something with a title of "next generation" to do. If they has stuck with the disc-less, always on approach I'd probably own one right now. Why? Because it pushes things to a new level...as in next generation.

Revoker88

wrt40 wrote: »

I thought the point of "next generation" gaming is that they have something else to offer. Last generation it was xbox live for me, fantastic (broadband speed issues aside :-)). I know PC was doing it already, I was a massive counter strike fan. But what xbox live brought was a controlled and stable environment. Both consoles also brought gaming to a new level, with Hollywood block buster style franchises. That soon became boring.

So what is it that makes these consoles next generation? Cloud computing is one aspect. Microsoft have huge potential in Kinect and I like the hub of the living room approach.

so I guess at the moment I am leaning more towards the xbox. The better graphics argument on the PS4 just doesn't do it for me, unless there is something else to it, which is what I want to hear! There's already been some good feedback about indie titles such as Resogun which I really like the look of. That's the sort of thing I want to hear so that I can make a decision.

That's all I'm looking for, some constructive, worthwhile feedback from people who have already purchased.

This thread is full of constructive feedback, many many pages of it. Obviously some fanboy comments but a lot of fair assesments aswell.

You talk about the X1 like its revolutionary and the PS4 being un innovative in any way. Either starement is not true imo
What are the revolutionary elements of X1?

Both consoles are at an early stage of development, with no major exclusives for either console, so what are people supposed to seperate them with other than the obvious hardware capabilities? And "potential" features, as both are feature starved at the moment ie media playback, apps, device connectivity.

To me you seem like an xbox guy whos dissappointed with how the Xbox 1 has turned out and dont know what to do now when people say the PS4 is better.

I for one went for a PS4, my reasons are that all I want is a dedicated gaming machine with everything like media capabilities being secondary concern. If I can get netflix, access 1 or 2 apps and play a few media files id be happy.
If your buying a console not for gaming your doing it wrong imo.

As regards centre of the living room stuff, Sony and Microsoft said all those things at the start of last gen, and didnt end up that way, for me at least. I dont think this gen will be any different

Magill wrote: »

As a counterstrike fan, i can maybe understand why the graphics isn't an issue... but surely better performance is important ? I've played counterstrike for many years and one of the most important things to most players is their frame rate !

I honestly don't believe anyone when they say they don't care about performance, it makes a huge difference. If both consoles are running at 720p but one is getting frame rate drops and the other isn't... then i know which one i'd prefer to be playing on.

Yes it is important. But other features are important too, maybe enough so to forgive the poor resolution on xbox one. Maybe Microsoft can come up with a solution, then all would be ok? There is 8% GPU power reserved for Kinect, they have said they will free this up for developers. Will it make a big difference? Maybe they can release an enhanced Xbox with a better GPU and have all xbox titles multi-resolution. PC's do it, so why not? that's clutching at straws though. No doubt about it, if xbox didn't have this problem then it would be an easy decision to go with Xbox for me.

Pushtrak

wrt40 wrote: »

I think that's all. Xbox basically has stepped it up a bit as you would expect something with a title of "next generation" to do. If they has stuck with the disc-less, always on approach I'd probably own one right now. Why? Because it pushes things to a new level...as in next generation.

If they had done that I wouldn't buy the console for a couple of years at least. If at all. It would be next generation in that it is something new, but it would be a backwards step from how I'd see it. Unless it was accompanied by a value proposition in price of games being significantly lower.

It looks to me that the PS4 will be the multiplatform (and exclusives, obviously) box, and the One might just be for exclusives. It'll have enough exclusives that it can stand on them (for me) anyway, I'm sure.

CiDeRmAn

gaynorvader wrote: »

I liked both consoles. I'm one of the freaks that prefers Sony's controllers though (apart from those blasted "triggers").

Weirdo!

I'm not a Sony fanboy (probably a Sega one if I'm honest)

Oh, one of those poor deluded people, you have my sympathy!
*cough* Shenmue 3 is never coming out*cough*

I think Sony were just ambitious with the PS3, much like Sega were with the Dreamcast.

Yeah,
You're probably right there, the push to proclaim it as an expensive, exclusve machine early on with incomprehensible adverts didn't help it but, after 2 years of launch it became a must have machine.
I still play mine regularly.
Hopefully the PS4 will be the same.

EoinHef wrote: »

To me you seem like an xbox guy whos dissappointed with how the Xbox 1 has turned out and dont know what to do now when people say the PS4 is better.

to be honest I had my hopes set on an Xbox because I felt MS were truly trying to push things to the next gen. and yes I'm very disappointed, not that they are losing the war but that the graphics performance is poor. It is important. I go through phases of wanting an xbox and phases of wanting a PS4. I obviously need to wait a bit longer and see how things develop. another disappointment, because I want one or the other now!

wrt40 wrote: »

- Kinect has a lot of potential to offer something new and innovative. I have my doubts it will deliver though, they didn't come out with anything special last gen and the improvement is not so vast that they're likely to come up with anything this generation. It's more of a hope than anything, I'd love to be at the stage where you're standing in front of the screen using voice and hand gestures for some serious gaming, coupled with a controller (why not). Augmented reality is another potential aspect to be explored.

Kinect, technologically, works reasonably well. The problem is that I don't think anyone is ever going to step up to the plate and implement it in a sensible way, because once that "Better With Kinect" logo gets plastered on a box, players are turned off.

Quite simply, there are no good Kinect based games - and the only advantage the Kinect has over the PS4 Camera, for example, is it's ability to manage controller free full games. Anything else it does, such as voice control or basic gestural stuff, is already available on the PS4 for a lower outlay.

IF someone steps up and delivers with Kinect, things could definitely change, but nobody in the industry apart from Microsoft has any interest in it at all beyond voice commands which, again, PS4 also has.

wrt40 wrote: »

- It needs to double up as a HTPC, or at least a DLNA client. Also TV apps (net flicks etc) and catch up services. I know neither can do DLNA browsing, but again it's down to potential. Xbox has a lot of potential with gesture, voice control, multitasking. I like the living room hub idea. Because the reality is its not going to be used purely for gaming in my house.

Not sure on this point. You say it's down to potential, why doesn't that work 2 ways? Neither have DLNA as you say, but the XBO is the only one likely to get it? It's a 2 way street, whoever moves first to implement it will have the other patching it in within weeks. The TV thing would've been a great idea 5 years ago, but with more and more people opting to cancel Sky or whatever they're using and relying on online solutions, it's a dead dog already.

You want a proper online streaming device with proper HTML 5 compatibility and ease of use? Get a Wii U. No, honestly. It's an absolutely glorious device for online streaming. Nothing comes close beyond sticking a computer into your living room setup (which, if you're REALLY looking for the ultimate game and entertainment setup, you should probably do with a Steam Machine)

wrt40 wrote: »

- Xbox live. PS Network just wasn't a patch on Xbox live. I have no idea how it fares on PS4. Free games and indie apps is a big plus, but I wouldn't write Microsoft off on this. It's not like you're going to be comparing graphics on low budget indie titles.

Key word there is "wasn't". PSN bypassed Live a while ago and hasn't looked back since. It's not free any more, but at least you get something worthwhile for your money. For me again though, this is a UI thing with the XBO. It's just a clunky mess for anything, with far too many inputs needed to get where you need to, either for buying games or online communications. I like streamlined, and I like reliable, XBO delivers neither right now. It absolutely might down the line, but at the moment it's a device that tries to do too many things and lacks an actual focus that anyone can really latch onto

wrt40 wrote: »

I think that's all. Xbox basically has stepped it up a bit as you would expect something with a title of "next generation" to do. If they has stuck with the disc-less, always on approach I'd probably own one right now. Why? Because it pushes things to a new level...as in next generation.

You can go disc free with Xbox 360, PS3, XBO, Wii U and PS4 if you want. There's nothing next generation about it, it's existed for a long time, so this bit confused me TBH

wrt40 wrote: »

I think that's all. Xbox basically has stepped it up a bit as you would expect something with a title of "next generation" to do.

I disagree. As you say it's potential, but I refuse to acknowledge the Kinect until I see a game so good to a point where I want it. It needs software or games before I'd consider it next gen and I don't think it will ever have MUST HAVE apps or games. For me anyway.

wrt40 wrote: »

If they has stuck with the disc-less, always on approach I'd probably own one right now. Why? Because it pushes things to a new level...as in next generation.

I'd have to disagree with that too. I, like most people around the world found "Disc-less" and "Always On" restrictive measures that did not spell out Next Gen for me, other than putting more power in the hands of the Microsoft. Discless, means no swapping and trading (I didn't buy into their share plans) and Always On? Dunno how that would ever benefit me, let alone make me feel like I was in the Next Gen.

I'd say go with Xbox to be honest if T.V and Kinect are on your priority list, I think the way MS do things is what you're looking for. A lot of my friends are the same. They're just fans of the way MS do things and since the 360 and that's just their preference.

EDIT: I think COYVB's post puts things a bit better.

wrt40 wrote: »

Maybe they can release an enhanced Xbox with a better GPU and have all xbox titles multi-resolution. PC's do it, so why not?

Because it's ruin them overnight having close to 4 million early adopters fuming that they've spent $500 on an obsolete machine. If they do it in 2 years they'll have tens of millions of people complaining about the same thing. Sadly, in the console world, you can't release a hardware revision that offers superior specs than the previous one, because if you do, you're releasing a new console

Grayditch wrote: »

Discless, means no swapping and trading (I didn't buy into their share plans)

From what I know of how it would've worked, the digital sharing would've been absolutely huge

Even this was risky.