Potential-Monke wrote: » There is no law (as far as i can recall) that allows someone under the age of 16 to be "done". I can't even find the law that states Gardaí can take cigarettes off persons under 16. I'm fairly sure under-age smoking is not illegal... As for getting stopped, you need to give more information: - What way to do you dress? - Have you been done before for something? - What kind of company do you keep?- Have you the head and haircut of a scumbag? - Do you walk with a put-on swagger to make you look cooler? Etc, etc. You can always write a letter to the local Super, explain your circumstances, ask why, etc.
Deleted User wrote: » I just wanted to use the word. F.a.c.e.t.i.o.u.s. is SUCH and awesome word* *I'm being serious now btw, no facetiousness in this sentence.
Bazzo wrote: » I never get this ****e, do all Dubliners think Guards are all from the deadzone that is the rest of the island? You realise they're placed away from their locality on purpose right? There are a lot of Dublin Guards down the country. You don't see every second person on boards ****ing on about the city thugs down the country though.
Ray Palmer wrote: » If they are beating up people and acting like thugs I would expect to hear about it. The fact I am not would suggest it isn't an issue. Culchie Gardaí are being mention because that what they do. I know they were forced to move away from where they were raised but that has been removed. The reason is due to the hostility from Gardaí who weren't familiar with the communities in urban environments. Do you have any stories of Dublin Gardaí acting like thugs? For somebody with no criminal record do you not think it is strange that I have experience of Gardaí thugery from when I was a child upwards?
Bazzo wrote: » No, I think it's a stereotype that a lot of Dublin people seem to love to propagate. I've seen several culchie Guards. I've seen several Garda pricks. All Guards are culchies. Therefore all Guards are culchie pricks. Wonderful leap in logic. At the end of the day you'll find ***** in any walk of life. I've come across a couple of Dublin Guards who were pricks, yes. Doesn't mean I've taken up the ridiculous notion that every Guards in the country is a Dublin scumbag. You clearly have an axe to grind with Guards/People from outside Dublin so I'm not gonna bother arguing with you any more.
Ray Palmer wrote: » Well you aren't paying attention. The ones who are the problem are the culchies. It is direct experience of these people not a stereo type I created. You are falsely assuming and claiming something that has been said. I have an axe to grind with putting people in positions of power in areas they can't understand. Nothing wrong with people form outside of Dublin. There is obviously a problem with the selection and placement of Gardaí. It isn't that they are culchie Gardaí it is they don't understand the areas they are placed in because of their background. It isn't that they are just not nice it is they are physically attacking people which is hugely different. You have accredit things to me I did not say and obviously can't read a post without going on the defence simply because you see it as some culchie bashing post from Dubliners. It isn't it is about unsuitable people being placed in the wrong areas. I genuinely think they can't handle the environments they are in and become aggressive and violent.
gamercfc wrote: » I would put it down to the idea of them not having anything to do. I was stopped and questioned when I emerged from a lane behind a church. I was on my way home from the carry-out. It's a very public lane and there is no law that says you're not allowed to be walking through there with bags of cans but I digress. They pulled over and they asked what was in the bag and I told them it was alcohol and they asked me why I had such an attitude (I'm from Glasgow, it's difficult to come across nice in this country when I talk :P ) then they proceeded to question the fact that I was walking past a church with a bag of alcohol. They accused me of being very disrespectful to have alcohol in my possession outside a church. From my (and anybody that was near me)'s perspective I was simply walking from one place to the other on a Saturday night, didn't think I was doing anybody any harm. It's mad the way they see, and have an obligation to label people into categories. After they could clearly see I was just an innocent man purchasing beverages for a night with friends in a social manner before departing to town for a severe p*ss-up, they told me to stay out of trouble and drove off.
ThirdMan wrote: » That's a fair point and I'm sure there's something to it. But don't forget that there's been instances outside of Dublin as well, with local Gardaí coming down hard on people from their own area. I've seen that with my own eyes. .
Ray Palmer wrote: » Coming down hard and people is not what I would call 1-2 armed Gardaí attacking an unarmed teenager that has done nothing wrong. Even just the constant harassment of people walking down the street is more than just coming down hard
ThirdMan wrote: » I have a friend from Cabra who's told me some awful stories about county Guards working in his area.
Ray Palmer wrote: » My experiences are from Coolock. I really don't think people understand it is really happening because they don't spend any time in such areas and see the Gardaí being nice to them.
Ray Palmer wrote: » I am far from some tracksuit wearing Dubliner with JP blues and on the dole which I gather is what some people on the thread assume.
ThirdMan wrote: » Yeah fair enough. Although earlier in this thread I explained how my brother had his eye split open and his ribs cracked by three guards. He was loitering and wouldn't move on when he was asked. So he wasn't blameless. But he was only about 18. Getting kicked around a cell was hardly the correct response from three police officers. That's what I mean when I say coming down hard. Stuff like that does happen up and down the country, but I'm sure it's worse in Dublin. I have a friend from Cabra who's told me some awful stories about county Guards working in his area.
Santa Cruz wrote: » Considering that Mountjoy, Wheatfield, St. Pats etc. are full of stupid Dubs who were caught by the "clueless" culchie police it dosent say much for the intelligence of the average Dublin scumbag
Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: » Folks, I think we've all been tunned by the OP. I got suspicious when he didn't appear to return to the thread, so checked some of his other posts. On another thread he's claiming to be 16. In a different thread he's claiming to be looking to buy a house in Clondalkin. I don't know too many 16/17 year olds in the property market....
harry Bailey esq wrote: » nonsense.the police used to beat the bejesus out of us when i was that age. many times I've seen cops pull the baton on a stop and search,and if you didn't get a belt of the baton you'd sometimes get jabbed in the ribs with the torch.w@nkers give themselves a bad name.young cops from the country are the worst offenders.older cops or detectives rarely harass kids.
folbotcar wrote: » OP, get yourself a fake gun. They should be easy enough to find in Clondalkin. Wave it at the next next cop who stops you. They'll never bother you again.:p But I have to say I for one am glad the Gardaí are taking a pro active stance. Clearly there's a drug issue locally and the OP not only frequents the area. He fits the profile. There should be more zero tolerance. People complain the police don't do enough then complain when they do. Funnily enough growing up in Dublin, as I did, in an area not far from Clondalkin. I was never bothered or beaten up by the Guards whether they be from the country or Dubs. But then again I avoided doing anything to draw attention to myself. But I knew lads who got hassled and by and large they deserved it. One told me he quit stealing motorbikes because he got beaten up too often! Rough justice but it worked in this case. I saw the local bike cop giving someone a few clouts with a baton once. I have to say I thought it was funny. He broke up a gang 'knacker drinking' around a bonfire but one wouldn't leave. 'Go home' said the guard. 'I know my rights' Whack! 'Go home'. 'You can't do this. I know my rights' Whack! 'Go home'. He went home. I say I wasn't hassled but then I bought a motorcycle. Unfortunately it was a model popular with robbers so I now had a target on my back. In my time I was stopped for robbing a post office, a building society and just general routine checks and.... ahem speeding and racing. Blue lights, sirens and all. Never got done as I found politeness went a long way. I'm always a bit suspicious of people who claim they're constantly harassed by the Gardaí.
Raider190 wrote: » And do you call when your property gets stolen ,your house gets broken into or you get assaulted . It ain't Ghostbusters More anti garda sentiment from Santa Cruz . Will you ever change your tune. ???
Ray Palmer wrote: » Who do you call when you are assaulted by the Gardaí when they will lie and back each other up about what happened.
daheff wrote: » you go to the hospital to be checked out. Advise them that you were assaulted. When they call the police and they arrive tell them that you were assaulted by a garda and that you want to report it. When you are finished giving them your details report it to your solicitor who should make a report to the Garda Ombudsman. If Gardai know this will happen if they assault people then they will stop assaulting people. Generally from what I have seen heard, they are not assaulting people, but are working within advised guidelines on dealing with difficult people. But yeah, there are always a few who take it too far and some who get their jollies from 'scumbag bashing'
weldoninhio wrote: » Each time you are stopped, politely ask the Garda to see ID, and ask for his badge number. Keep a note of the time, date and location and badge number and after a while building this info up, bring it to the sargeant or someone else in a higher position in the local station.
Spring Onion wrote: » This is good advice. I had some Garda harassment in my youth mainly related to other family members but I learned a few tricks. 1. Always take down their ID number. You don't even need to ask for it, its on their shoulder (Letter and Numbers). They do not like you recording it. 2. Mobile phones often have recording capabilities - ask can you record the conversation. They do not like that. 3. Be polite and ask loads of questions, they hate being asked questions. Questions like "what laws did I break", "are you charging me with something", "why are you harassing me", "are you beinging me to the station".... Guards know these questions (even if unanswered) can be awkward if court proceedings follow e.g. my client asked him numerous times why he kept stopping him and he did not answer. 4. Keep tax/insurance/nct up to date - don't give them an excuse. 5. If he touches you, say "that hurts"...they hate that! 6. If it happened to me today I would mention the word "Ombudsman" 7. I once asked one could I take his photo (he was a young guard and I already had him rattled) - you should have seen the look on his face! 8. Actually on that point, treat young guards differently to older guards. Young guards will be cheekier but will not be streetwise enough to know if they have crossed the line so get rattled easier. Older guards don't tend to make mistakes.
hatrickpatrick wrote: » If Edward Snowden was an Irish whistleblower and the programs he's exposed had been Irish intelligence programs, I have little doubt that the chorus on AH would be "This is why we need to reintroduce the death penalty" and other such utter sh!te.
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