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When is a spoiler still a spoiler?

Gannicus

Myself and a couple of the lads were chatting yesterday about TV shows that we watch that have new series starting soon (e.g. Archer & Game Of Thrones) and we then got onto 'Breaking Bad' and started talking about the show and our favourite episodes, quotes etc. We were having the craic when one of the lad's little brother (who only really hangs around us is because we are mates with his brother) pipes up and tells us quite aggressively to stop talking about the show because he's thinking about making a start on it in this weekend. Basically he was told where to go by us, but my question is:

How long after a TV show is completely finished should you hold off talking about it in front of people that haven't watched it (yet)? I'd say no more than a month. I think that gives people plenty of time to catch up with the masses. What does AH think?

EDIT: PLEASE DO NOT PLACE SPOILERS FOR TV SHOWS IN THIS THREAD. (can mods please remove any spoilers put up)

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Vision of Disorder

DannieHasABrazilian wrote: »

There could be other things though too that might put people off watching shows. For example all those stung by V, Firefly, Flashforward, The Sarah Connor Chronacles for example all got canned before they could be concluded.

Not disagreeing with your overall point but, while the cancellation of Firefly after a single season is still the worst thing that ever happened in TV world in my opinion, I am still utterly, utterly in love with it and am beyond glad that it was made. Disappointed? Hugely! Stung? Not so much.

poundapunnet

If I start talking about something with a major twist that really enhances watching the film/show, I might quickly ask if everyone's seen it. But at the same time it's really not my problem if someone hasn't seen a show that's been out for years, and I'm not going to apologise or feel like I've done anything wrong for accidentally spoiling it. Honestly I think the statute of limitations on Breaking Bad is past at this point, it started five years ago, it's on Netflix.

And it drives me cracked when you get discussion threads on the internet about stuff that's been out for a while and someone posts in them complaining about spoilers. If I didn't want spoilers for something I wouldn't click the effing thread, it's bullcrap to expect everyone else not to talk about it just because you haven't seen it. There's plenty of films I want to see in the next couple weeks, I'd love to be able to read the threads on them over on the film forum, but I don't want spoilers, so I can't reasonably expect to be able to read them.

On GOT, that was a really good example of where knowing that was going to happen would seriously influence the viewing experience, I don't think anything like that (such a big secret being kept about such a big show for so long with so much success) will ever happen again, and I feel sorry for the people who didn't watch the show first time around because they missed out on the full experience. But again, sorry not sorry, you didn't watch it, not my fault.

(Also I think a lot of the success of not spoiling that was down to book-readers actually really looking forward to non-readers' reactions, there were tumblrs and everything started about it, people making reaction videos. We wanted you to feel our pain

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danniemcq

Vision of Disorder wrote: »

Not disagreeing with your overall point but, while the cancellation of Firefly after a single season is still the worst thing that ever happened in TV world in my opinion, I am still utterly, utterly in love with it and am beyond glad that it was made. Disappointed? Hugely! Stung? Not so much.

Ah i know I was just throwing it in as an example of shows that were canned, and at least they got to wrap up some stuff in the movie

poundapunnet wrote: »

(Also I think a lot of the success of not spoiling that was down to book-readers actually really looking forward to non-readers' reactions, there were tumblrs and everything started about it, people making reaction videos. We wanted you to feel our pain )

I'll admit the gf tried to put coal on the fire and i told her that i'd do it as there was very imporant dialogue coming up to ensure that it had her full attention.

However it wasn't just that as there are many friends who were watching it and i kept quiet to them even though I knew we wouldn't be watching it together so i wouldn't get their reaction.

Also people saying that breaking bad was started 5 years ago or whatever and should be open to discuss, by that reasoning in 2001 people could give away the end of GOT season 1, 2003 for season 2, even the forth book could have been discussed in 2011.

There was nothing stopping people from reading them but people kept quiet

poundapunnet

DannieHasABrazilian wrote: »

Also people saying that breaking bad was started 5 years ago or whatever and should be open to discuss, by that reasoning in 2001 people could give away the end of GOT season 1, 2003 for season 2, even the forth book could have been discussed in 2011.

There was nothing stopping people from reading them but people kept quiet

It's different though. You wouldn't necessarily expect someone who's watching or intending to watch Game of Thrones to ever read the books, that's a much more unreasonable expectation than expecting them to have watched it as it comes out or fairly soon after. I know spoilers are annoying, and it'd be really shíte to, for example go on facebook and see that your friend in the states is discussing the plot of something in detail when it's not been released here, I'd never do something like that.

But, it makes more sense for people who haven't seen things to try avoid situations where there's likely to be spoilers, or to just stick their fingers in their ears or whatever when the conversation starts than to expect everyone else to have to specifically designate where they're allowed to talk about something that's been out for years.

looking_around

DannieHasABrazilian wrote: »

personally i'd keep my mouth shut if i realised someone nearby was behind in the show or hadn't seen it. Or at the very least be very vague about it. Yes its annoying but surely you and your friends can talk about something else for a few minutes. And yous can discuss it then between yourselves later on at another time.

I do this with books all the time.

Book readers in general seem to be better about avoiding spoilers as no one expects that person to read the book right away. If it's been out a year or 10, it doesn't matter.
But when it comes to tv shows or movies, people don't seem to be as considerate.
I'm not sure why, probably has alot to do with "everyone's seen it now, if you haven't, you probably won't and it's your loss" kind of attitude.

Idk, but how hard is it, to move a topic to another show and leave discussing that one to another time, OP?

danniemcq

poundapunnet wrote: »

It's different though. You wouldn't necessarily expect someone who's watching or intending to watch Game of Thrones to ever read the books, that's a much more unreasonable expectation than expecting them to have watched it as it comes out or fairly soon after.

Why not? you had the chance to read the books so why shouldn't book readers cover facebook and twitter with whats happening next season and just say jeez guys its been over a decade you have had to read it.

its just like people watching it on tv compared to people who are waiting for it on netflix. The only difference is that that most TV watchers these days do spoil everything for those that will be more than a few weeks behind for whatever reason

Gannicus

looking_around wrote: »

Idk, but how hard is it, to move a topic to another show and leave discussing that one to another time, OP?

I wouldn't say its hard but I'm not steering a conversation away from a show based on someone POSSIBLY watching a show hat's been over 4 months.

poundapunnet

DannieHasABrazilian wrote: »

Why not? you had the chance to read the books so why shouldn't book readers cover facebook and twitter with whats happening next season and just say jeez guys its been over a decade you have had to read it.

its just like people watching it on tv compared to people who are waiting for it on netflix. The only difference is that that most TV watchers these days do spoil everything for those that will be more than a few weeks behind for whatever reason

Because not everybody reads, and certainly not everybody reads fantasy fiction. But Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad were shows where a vast majority (or so it seemed) of people were watching and talking about them. When those books were first released I assume there was many the internet discussion about them, it's just that they were nowhere near as widely popular as the show so you'd probably have to seek out the discussion.

LOSTfan57

after its aired its no longer a spoiler. its public knowledge and can easily be watched if the person is that interested in it. After airing its fair game.....I havent watched Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones will I? Maybe do I expect everyone in my vicinity to shut up about it? Hell no. I hate whiners that moan about "spoilers"...I already know Skylar is apparently a bitch and theres some incest and a child king in the other.....does it mean I'm gunna bitch and moan no if I liked a show and can watch it, why cant they? MONTHS afterward if they still havent well tough ****. Reviews/Debates/Comments are all over the internet post episodes. Post episode is fair game

krudler

LOSTfan57 wrote: »

after its aired its no longer a spoiler. its public knowledge and can easily be watched if the person is that interested in it. After airing its fair game.....I havent watched Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones will I? Maybe do I expect everyone in my vicinity to shut up about it? Hell no. I hate whiners that moan about "spoilers"...I already know Skylar is apparently a bitch and theres some incest and a child king in the other.....does it mean I'm gunna bitch and moan no

They're not spoilers though, it's not spoiling Lord of the Rings to say Frodo is the good guy in it, he just is. saying who dies in the last movie is.

garv123

Spoiler: Walter White is Heisenberg

LOSTfan57

krudler wrote: »

They're not spoilers though, it's not spoiling Lord of the Rings to say Frodo is the good guy in it, he just is. saying who dies in the last movie is.

not really tho..thats common knowledge.....and if someone isnt arsed to have watched it by now well tough ****. Youve had far more than enough time

LOSTfan57

garv123 wrote: »

Spoiler: Walter White is Heisenberg

Clarke Kent is Superman

Potatoeman

Big Steve wrote: »

Myself and a couple of the lads were chatting yesterday about TV shows that we watch that have new series starting soon (e.g. Archer & Game Of Thrones) and we then got onto 'Breaking Bad' and started talking about the show and our favourite episodes, quotes etc. We were having the craic when one of the lad's little brother (who only really hangs around us is because we are mates with his brother) pipes up and tells us quite aggressively to stop talking about the show because he's thinking about making a start on it in this weekend. Basically he was told where to go by us, but my question is:

How long after a TV show is completely finished should you hold off talking about it in front of people that haven't watched it (yet)? I'd say no more than a month. I think that gives people plenty of time to catch up with the masses. What does AH think?

EDIT: PLEASE DO NOT PLACE SPOILERS FOR TV SHOWS IN THIS THREAD. (can mods please remove any spoilers put up)

Well since all of you had seen it you should talk about if you want to. A few days is fine but if he hasnt watched even the first season then what does he expect?

danniemcq

poundapunnet wrote: »

Because not everybody reads, and certainly not everybody reads fantasy fiction. But Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad were shows where a vast majority (or so it seemed) of people were watching and talking about them. When those books were first released I assume there was many the internet discussion about them, it's just that they were nowhere near as widely popular as the show so you'd probably have to seek out the discussion.

And not everyone will catch a show the first time round or not everyone will have a chance to watch them until they are on Netflix. This is the exact same with people who prefer to wait until the tv airs instead of reading the book.

Beefy78

How people deal with this issue is quite telling about their personalities, IMO. Sometimes things get spoiled accidentally. It happens. But some people just don't any basic consideration for other people.

danniemcq

LOSTfan57 wrote: »

not really tho..thats common knowledge.....and if someone isnt arsed to have watched it by now well tough ****. Youve had far more than enough time

So back to my book point, are you saying that it was fair game to talk to anyone about it as obviously if they weren't added reading it then feck them you had enough time to read it?

TheGoldenAges

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If someone hasn't seen a tv show or film, no matter how old, then others shouldn't discuss it in front of that person imo.

kwestfan08

Spoilers can be a pain alright. I've spoiled so many things for myself looking online or in forums for that little to much extra info than I wanted. All my own fault of course. College Humor brought out a few spoiler rules that seem alright when discussing shows and the like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8IAhI-B6UU

poundapunnet

DannieHasABrazilian wrote: »

And not everyone will catch a show the first time round or not everyone will have a chance to watch them until they are on Netflix. This is the exact same with people who prefer to wait until the tv airs instead of reading the book.

No I get what you're saying, but while not everyone will catch a show the first time round, with big shows like this MOST people do. It's not the same thing as saying "I won't read the book, I'll wait til it comes out and consume it that way with millions of other people", it's saying "I'll watch it when I can".

Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad, in particular, were huge TV events and big popular topics of general conversation for a really broad cross section of people. Relative to people who hadn't seen but were intending to see them it was a big majority, I don't see how it's reasonable to get upset if you happen to encounter a spoiler when listening to or reading a discussion in which the majority know more than you were, though I appreciate it must be frustrating.

I wouldn't go around casually discussing spoilers for films that weren't a big deal at the time of their release or that haven't been out long, but in relative terms GOT and BB are big deals and have been out for ages.

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poundapunnet wrote: »

Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad, in particular, were huge TV events and big popular topics of general conversation for a really broad cross section of people. Relative to people who hadn't seen but were intending to see them it was a big majority, I don't see how it's reasonable to get upset if you happen to encounter a spoiler when listening to or reading a discussion in which the majority know more than you were, though I appreciate it must be frustrating.

I wouldn't go around casually discussing spoilers for films that weren't a big deal at the time of their release or that haven't been out long, but in relative terms GOT and BB are big deals and have been out for ages.

In fairness and I really can't understand this but BB was not taken up by any major network here or in the UK so it was easily enough missed by those who wouldn't be as well up on downloading etc. It was shown on TG4 but even people who watch tv might not have known.

How BB wasn't shown by the likes of Sky1 as their prime-time offering is extremely hard to understand.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Leona Loud Globe wrote: »

In fairness and I really can't understand this but BB was not taken up by any major network here or in the UK so it was easily enough missed by those who wouldn't be as well up on downloading etc. It was shown on TG4 but even people who watch tv might not have known.

How BB wasn't shown by the likes of Sky1 as their prime-time offering is extremely hard to understand.

probably wasnt worth the money when people were just gona dl it anyway

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

krudler wrote: »

They're not spoilers though, it's not spoiling Lord of the Rings to say Frodo is the good guy in it, he just is. saying who dies in the last movie is.

it really isn't, those books have been around since the time of the dinosaurs. if anyone dont know the story at this stage, tough bananas.

Capt'n Midnight

https://xkcd.com/1053/

and

Pepperpot 1: We'll have to watch the telly then.
Pepperpot 2: Yes.
Pepperpot 1: Well, what's on the television then?
Pepperpot 2: Looks like a penguin.
Pepperpot 1: No, no, no, no! I didn't mean 'what's on the television set?' I meant 'what program?'
Pepperpot 2: Oh.
Pepperpot 2: Funny that penguin being there, isn't it? What's it doing there?
Pepperpot 1: Standing.
Pepperpot 2: I can see that!
Pepperpot 1: If it lays an egg, it will fall down the back of the television set.
Pepperpot 2: We'll have to watch that. Unless it's a male.
Pepperpot 1: Ooh, I hadn't thought of that.
Pepperpot 2: Yes. Looks fairly butch.
Pepperpot 1: Perhaps it comes from next door.
Pepperpot 2: Penguins don't come from next door; they come from the Antarctic!
Pepperpot 1: BURMA!
Pepperpot 2: Why'd you say "Burma"?
Pepperpot 1: I panicked.
Pepperpot 2: Perhaps it's from the zoo.
Pepperpot 1: Which zoo?
Pepperpot 2: How should I know which zoo? I'm not Doctor Bloody Bronowski!
Pepperpot 1: How does Doctor Bronowski know which zoo it came from?
Pepperpot 2: He knows everything.
Pepperpot 1: Ooh, I wouldn't like that. It'd take all the mystery out of life

Paramite Pie

I've never watched 'The Sixth Sense' because the ending was spoiled for me back when it was new all those years ago. I just don't feel the need to watch it knowing 'that', even after all these years.

But if you haven't even started watching a series yet (Breaking Bad first aired in 2008!) then I don't think you should complain about spoilers (yet).

I managed to avoid any Breaking Bad or Game of Throne spoilers (well a few GoT spoilers but don't even remember the names of who's involved) and I just started Breaking Bad last week. Starting Season 2 tonight!!:D

Haven't watched GoT yet but since I don't use twitter and rarely use FaceBook it won't be spoiled anyways. It's not hard to avoid Twitter.

batistuta9

Paramite Pie wrote: »

Haven't watched GoT yet but since I don't use twitter and rarely use FaceBook it won't be spoiled anyways. It's not hard to avoid Twitter.

yeah, massive TV shows like that & BB should be looked upon as live sporting events, you can't expect to be online, listening to radio, etc. and not come across what happened in the latest episode.

you can do your best to avoid it though but twitter & FB can be particularly difficult not to see something about it.

Mint Aero

I'm not reading this thread cos I've the final two episodes to watch yet but imo, once the show has aired, speak at will about it.

I remember when lost would end a season, not the the final series just any season, Ray D'arcy would come on in the morning with "sooo....lost...." and then some dumbsh*t inconsiderate prick would text in with "ooooooh nooooo! Shhhhhhh!!! I'm 2 seasons behind" :mad: aresholes.

keith16

Whenever I am in the company of other people discussing film or TV, I always ask if they have seen whatever it is we are discussing before getting into details.

I would consider it bad manners not to.

Sir Arthur Daley

A spoiler is still a spoiler whether its on the boot or trunk of a car.