Captain_Hindsight wrote: » this doesn't necessarily fit this thread but not sure if worthy of its own. The "Yes nine" call is being ditched immediately in favour of a pre agreed signal.
Losty Dublin wrote: » Gentlemen, until the IRB give word on this then the Law remains as it currently is.
Captain_Hindsight wrote: » this doesn't necessarily fit this thread but not sure if worthy of its own. The "Yes nine" call is being ditched immediately in favour of a pre agreed signal.http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_9104571,00.html
crisco10 wrote: » Clancy pinged Tom Denton for this in the Connacht game and I was very confused. Thanks for clearing it up!
Captain_Hindsight wrote: » I'd imagine that's it. but more so it removes the advantage from the defending scrum who know that the ball is on the way in and can take advantage of the balling having to be hooked (although not all side bother with that)
awec wrote: » There's no law to prevent anyone else doing it, though I would say throwing a dart in rugby is different to any basketball throw. Also think about it in terms of the players available. You will always have 1 hooker on the pitch and 1 hooker on the bench. If you were training other players to throw you are going to have to ensure that your bench has at least 1 person who can throw a dart. Like what happens if your throwers are your hooker and your replacement flanker? When your hooker goes off you will be forced to bring that flanker on at the same time.
Captain_Hindsight wrote: » yeah, haven't seen it reported anywhere else yet
phog wrote: » apparently, a comms was released to refs on this, I'm not 100% sure of this but I saw mention of it on twitter.
Losty Dublin wrote: » The ARLB hasn't sent out anything about this and they are quick on the draw for notifying us members about issues of law and procedure. Till then, the Law's and applications remain as is.
Steve Perchance wrote: » Theres nothing to stop the opposing scrumhalf giving a shout when he sees the ref give the signal, so it doesn't really change much.
phog wrote: » Obviously the law can't/won't change until refs/coaches have got a briefing, my post was in reply to what I assumed was someone thought it was only from one source.
Losty Dublin wrote: » Which is fair enough and thanks for that, Phog. The worry is is that some players line out at the weekend and expect things to be changed based on a media report. Mind you, most of them don't know the laws to begin with but that's another story
tolosenc wrote: » Clancy said that the penalty was for Denton being off his feet at the ruck, though. It was the worst call of a poorly adjudicated match by far.
.ak wrote: » I get the ball and run with it. What more is there to know? :cool:
ssaye2 wrote: » http://www.irb.com/newsmedia/mediazone/pressrelease/newsid=2069952.html#irb+further+empowers+referees+scrums Confirmed
redmca2 wrote: » I would welcome comments on rules in relation to knock-ons: First is the automatic penalty if a player in front of the person who knocks on attempts to play the ball. In a lot of cases this can simply be a knee-jerk/stupid reaction and yes the original knock-on offence must be pinged resulting in a scrum, but why a penalty? Also a knock-on while most times obvious to all players is only a knock-on if the ref makes that call. All in all a penalty in such circumstances seems OTT. Second is the so-called deliberate knock on. In viewing matches where this has been adjudged I honestly believe in the vast majority of cases that the defender is trying to catch/play the ball not bat it down but more often than I believe is reasonable the ref gives a penalty. While I am at it there is an archaic rule that passing the ball into touch is a penalty offense. You can run it or kick it off the pitch but not pass it. Can anyone explain the merit of such a rule? It was used devistatingly against Tommy Bowe in the AB match in Croke Park some years ago. Bowe palmed the ball off the pitch close to the corner flag as (if i recall) McCaw bore down on him. Bowe got a yellow card and the ref awarded a penalty try.
Losty Dublin wrote: » I don't know where you got the first one from as being a distinct penalty; certainly I have not heard of it as an offence nor is it in the Law Book. If you accidentally knocked on and happen to somehow regain the ball then it's a scrum, not a penalty.
redmca2 wrote: » Maybe I haven't expressed it well but you see it regularly where a player perhaps competing for a high ball knocks it forward and a team mate in front of the knock on plays the ball. That's a penalty offense, isn't it ???
redmca2 wrote: » Also "Deliberately throwing the ball out of play is a penalty as it too is considered unfair for the same reasons." So kicking or running the ball off the pitch is not unfair but passing is !!! Perfectly logical ... NOT My point is that I know what the rules say and I am questioning if they are fair and reasonable. In some instances they are not.
redmca2 wrote: » I would welcome comments on 2 rules in relation to knock-ons: First is the automatic penalty if a player in front of the person who knocks on attempts to play the ball. In a lot of cases this can simply be a knee-jerk/stupid reaction and yes the original knock-on offence must be pinged resulting in a scrum, but why a penalty? Also a knock-on while most times obvious to all players is only a knock-on if the ref makes that call. All in all a penalty in such circumstances seems OTT. Second is the so-called deliberate knock on. In viewing matches where this has been adjudged I honestly believe in the vast majority of cases that the defender is trying to catch/play the ball not bat it down but more often than I believe is reasonable the ref gives a penalty. While I am at it there is an archaic rule that passing the ball into touch is a penalty offense. You can run it or kick it off the pitch but not pass it. Can anyone explain the merit of such a rule? It was used devistatingly against Tommy Bowe in the AB match in Croke Park some years ago. Bowe palmed the ball off the pitch close to the corner flag as (if i recall) McCaw bore down on him. Bowe got a yellow card and the ref awarded a penalty try.
redmca2 wrote: » Kicking or running a ball has tactical merit and risk going for it as a team loses ground, possession and control over play. Deliberately throwing the ball out of play is unfair, it prevents from open play and it goes against the whole principle of a running and kicking game, as the game is intended to be.
Losty Dublin wrote: » Besides, nothing in the games Laws obliges you to pass the ball
redmca2 wrote: » Or to kick it (kick offs excepted), look at mini-rugby
redmca2 wrote: » Let me re-phrase "kicking" to punting the ball. Regardless of co-called principles of the game, punting or passing the ball off the pitch or carrying it off the pitch are all effectively the same thing, i.e the same result. For 1 to be a penalty and the others to be perfectly legal is a huge gap. I still feel passing the ball out of play should have no sanction, unless it's forward of course, or if purists want to retain the rule them a scrum would seem sufficient sanction. Don't tell me that isn't reasonable.
