"men must accept that most violent crimes perpetrated against women are by men, and that they have the power to stop this."
iptba wrote: » There is no harm in it. But if the argument is that feminism/feminists is/are sufficient to deal with gender equality, I don't believe this is a good example of this. In many other situations, changes are designed to help one gender. This doesn't give me any major confidence that women's groups/feminists would bat for something that would solely help men.
Pawwed Rig wrote: » So why do womens groups not campaign for equality on that point? It would actually benefit the career woman as would shared maternity/paternity leave, yet they are absolutely silent on the issue.
kunst nugget wrote: » iptba wrote: A common reason I have seen some women argue for this is because they felt it would help women with their careers in the long-term. So I don't see this as a good example of women's groups/feminists fighting for an equality issue (i.e. that wasn't about helping women). There trying to argue what the benefits will be for both parties involved and the long term benefits to the economy. Where's the problem there? It seems to me that no matter what is attempted there, once it's viewed through the prism of feminism and men's rights, nothing will placate some people.
iptba wrote: A common reason I have seen some women argue for this is because they felt it would help women with their careers in the long-term. So I don't see this as a good example of women's groups/feminists fighting for an equality issue (i.e. that wasn't about helping women).
pwurple wrote: » They do, or at least I do, both as an individual, and as a member of various groups.
Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: » With respect, you will have to do better than that, the gender neutral version of businessman is businessperson. Career woman is a male conceiver term to describe women who break from the male designated stereotype of wife/mother.
Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: » You brought up the question of why "WOMENS GROUPS" don't oppose certain unjust practices, consequently the onus is on you to name these groups and indicate the percentage of women in this country who support/are members of said groups.
Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: » iptba wrote: A common reason I have seen some women argue for this is because they felt it would help women with their careers in the long-term. A disgusting comment beneath contempt! Yea the poor dumb wimmins need all the "career help" they can get because they will never be good enough on their own merits!
iptba wrote: A common reason I have seen some women argue for this is because they felt it would help women with their careers in the long-term.
Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: » What percentage of Irish women subscribe to this organization or otherwise support it?
iptba wrote: » A common reason I have seen some women argue for this is because they felt it would help women with their careers in the long-term. So I don't see this as a good example of women's groups/feminists fighting for an equality issue (i.e. that wasn't about helping women).
kunst nugget wrote: » I googled Feminist Groups in Ireland, clicked on the first one, The Irish Feminist Network and searched on there for shared maternity leave and lo and behold:http://www.irishfeministnetwork.org/1/post/2012/03/iwd-special-parental-leave-in-ireland-the-case-for-reform.html
iptba wrote: » A common reason I have seen some women argue for this is because they felt it would help women with their careers in the long-term.
pwurple wrote: » They do, or at least I do, both as an individual, and as a member of various groups. I've lobbied FF, FG and Labour on this specific issue. It's on Labours manifesto.http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/theindex/2011/02/18/manifesto-promises-to-allow-fathers-to-share-maternity-leave-are-good-for-all-women/ See laws drafted last year (FF senator), to go for approval hopefully this year.http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0711/461808-maternity-leave-bill/
Pawwed Rig wrote: » Businessman? Working man? You want me to give you a list of organisations that did not speak out about these issues? Just google 'womens groups ireland' or 'feminist groups ireland'. There are lists of them there.
iptba wrote: » Yes. A lot of it is based on the view that any men who have some sort of power* will use it to help men (over women). I'm not convinced this is the case. Individual men may do things that they feel may help themselves personally; it doesn't mean men act in a majorly partisan way to help other men over women. *I would argue there are lots of types of power. Politicians are constrained by what will get bad reactions in the media, for example.
Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: » It might well benefit all women, not only the "career women" (is their a male equivalent of that title, and if not, why?or is it a male conceived term for uppidy women?),
Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: » but who are these women's groups of whom you speak, can you name a few Irish ones and indicate the number of members they have?
Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: » It might well benefit all women, not only the "career women" (is their a male equivalent of that title, and if not, why?or is it a male conceived term for uppidy women?), but who are these women's groups of whom you speak, can you name a few Irish ones and indicate the number of members they have?
Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: » Are sadly neglected to the detriment of children, mainly due to a view taken by patriarchal legislators and judiciary that the wimmim should be mindin the kiddies!
Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: » That's like saying it doesn't matter what colour the legislators who introduced apartheid were!
cantdecide wrote: » Fathers rights. Any opinion on that?
Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: » That's like saying it doesn't matter what colour the legislators who introduced apartheid were! If power,political or judicial lies in the hands of one group, then how they exercise that power is deserving of critique!
donfers wrote: » doesn't matter a f**k who passed the law my friend, what matters is if it's fair or not - how about focusing on that instead of which guy or gal did this or that
Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: » In this case the law is an ass, and a law passed by a male minister for justice , in a male dominated cabinet, and upheld by a male dominated Supreme Court. I can't for the life of me find the invisible hand of feminism anywhere in the making or upholding of that particularly offensive piece of legislation. if anything it looks more like a true act of patronization, that is the determination that "Silly vulnerable girls" need protecting.
Standman wrote: » It's interesting that when the law favours women over men, you get some people saying it's because of a patronising law made by men/ patriarchy. Then when the law favours men over women, again it's more patronising laws/ patriarchy. The old patriarchy glove seems to fit every hand!
clairefontaine wrote: » What? That doesn't stop you from writing to your legislators. You are a citizen, you have rights and you have responsibilities. No point complaining unless it's followed by action.
systemicrisk wrote: » It seems you cant go about your business believing everyone should have equal rights without being part of the problem if you dont explicitly identify as a feminist. Does any member of the editorial team actually read Una's work before it is published. Coupled with thinking all men are potential rapists I think we can see what her real view of equality is.
