"men must accept that most violent crimes perpetrated against women are by men, and that they have the power to stop this."
Pawwed Rig wrote: » No she shouldn't. That is why we have limits in a society on what people can and cannot say. Were she to be stating a factual argument then I would agree with you but this article is just a rant and never deserved to see the light of day in a respectable publication.
Ben Shekelberg wrote: » Women like Una Mullally is why I hate feminism.
old hippy wrote: » Yep, reduce an entire social movement to the writings of one individual :rolleyes: Feminism is about equality, pure and simple. Something that women still strive for in some countries, corporations and other situations. You'll always have a few people going off the page - doesn't mean you should dismiss social change because of them.
Ben Shekelberg wrote: » It's all a bunch of man-hating bs. Blah blah blah lets blames men for all our problems. Lets castrate all men so we won't be oppressed anymore. Like the blacks in America blaming whitey for everything.
old hippy wrote: » Oh, right. It's you again. Do you not get tired of this?
old hippy wrote: » Yep, reduce an entire social movement to the writings of one individual :rolleyes:Feminism is about equality, pure and simple. Something that women still strive for in some countries, corporations and other situations. You'll always have a few people going off the page - doesn't mean you should dismiss social change because of them.
Ben Shekelberg wrote: » Tired of what?
old hippy wrote: » The racist, misogynist bs.
cantdecide wrote: » A bit off topic so apologies. Equality is about equality. Feminism is fundamentally about selective equality for some. You can't say you're interested in equality for you and those you identify with and everyone else has to paddle their own canoe. In my opinion, it's an outmoded idea and the world won't move until we call feminism on it's inherent exclusivity. As long as society tolerates and encourages a lopsided movement, we will continue to move away from equality. I'm talking about the media, of course. Radical "equality" should inherently be about equality and not hatred. It would be the same as a radical peace movement blowing up army barracks.
newport2 wrote: » Exactly. Anyone who genuinely supports equality (as opposed to selective equality) should call themselves an egalitarian.
Equality is about equality. Feminism is fundamentally about selective equality for some. You can't say you're interested in equality for you and those you identify with and everyone else has to paddle their own canoe.
iptba wrote: » I accept your point to an extent. However, I think at this stage we need Men's Rights Activists/similar to bring balance to debates. If one has a court case and only one side are represented, either the plaintiff or defendant, the side that is represented will more often win the argument in the eyes of the jury/public/judge(s) than if the other side is represented and another viewpoint is given including challenging the first side. One needs people specifically giving alternative perspectives to bring balance. This situation has arisen as clearly feminism isn't a balanced movement in terms of what it does or strives for. As cantdecide says:
newport2 wrote: » I think the optimal solution would be egalitarianism replacing feminism to work for both men and women reaching equal rights
iptba wrote: » I waited for that to happen for 20 years. Feminists continuously found more stuff to complain about.
Pawwed Rig wrote: » Has any women's org spoken out against Miss Mulally's articles or can we take the silence to mean that this is actually the voice of feminism?
Ben Shekelberg wrote: » Exactly its anti-male rhetoric. If it was a movement directed against any other group other than men it would be called hateful.
Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: » You are assuming that Feminism is anti men, feminism was founded on principles of pro women's rights and pro female equality, not on principles of diminishing male rights rather diminishing male dominance and hegemony.
old hippy wrote: » Feminism is about equality, pure and simple.
Ben Shekelberg wrote: » Men are being told day in day out they're primitive rapists who are the root of all society's problems.
Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: » The best I could to that is that it is utter hyperbole! After almost 50 years on this earth I have never heard it said. I seem locked into the idea that all Feminists live by the mantra "all men are rapists", fortunately that is far removed from reality. As a father of two daughters I don't want them discriminated against because of their gender, I believe there should be no ceiling above which they cannot rise.
kunst nugget wrote: » Or could it be that the silence means that none of them are bothered paying any attention to her?
After almost 50 years on this earth I have never heard it said. I seem locked into the idea that all Feminists live by the mantra "all men are rapists", fortunately that is far removed from reality.
Pawwed Rig wrote: » Some have supported her (such as women's aid) and she is writing on the topic for the paper of record in Ireland. She is getting alot of attention anyway and if someone is claiming to speak for me I would be clear on whether they echo my sentiments.
kunst nugget wrote: » There's a lot of extreme nonsense spouted by guys that I don't agree with but don't bother to comment on precisely because I think it's nonsense. Does my silence mean then that I endorse and agree with it?
