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When is a man too fit?

Daveysil15

That other thread about the fit women got me thinking. Now I know most women probably don't like the overly muscular look like this fella:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4iwzBb371g

But are there certain types of male physiques apart from the huge bodybuilder types, like maybe slim guys with very low body fat, that you don't find attractive? I remember Billie Piper on Top Gear saying she didn't like six packs because they're too try hard. Gotta love billie.

I was watching Take Me Out once, (Yes I was really bored)

and a few of the women turned off their lighties because they thought the guy, (who was a bit of a gym junkie) was a bit vain and would spend too much time looking after himself, and not enough time on his lady.

So where would you draw the line?

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Daveysil15

CM24 wrote: »

http://media.joe.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/BoweTommy-beach.jpg Tommy Bowe ticks all the boxes! Speed, strength, endurance, skills and aesthetics. Comes across as a bit of craic also.

The women in that photo aint bad either.

CM24

http://media.joe.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/BoweTommy-beach.jpg Tommy Bowe ticks all the boxes! Speed, strength, endurance, skills and aesthetics. Comes across as a bit of craic also.

corkgsxr

When he has trouble shampooing.

Oregano_State

dodderangler wrote: »

This dude is ridiculously fit. Has a decent workout as well. But it's hard.
Was gonna try it last year but got lazy. Swear il try it this year.
Anyway this is physically the fittest man alive
http://youtu.be/ubCJx23Y4S4

Don't believe the hype.

I'd have to say the closest thing to what you're describing would be the World/Olympic decathlon champion, Ashton Eaton. The dude is a freak.

daRobot

b_mac wrote: »

Injecting Dbol!? Hahahaha... You'll have to tell me where and who invented that. Its an oral used to kick start an injectable cycle.

Or so I'm told.

It's exclusively delivered orally, is it?

You might want to have an ole' google for Reforvit-B so.

Wibbs

YFlyer wrote: »

Forgive me I'm trying to type this with a feed of Argentinian Malbec.

Blood brothers Sir, though for me it's a passable Merlot.

Da Za

Yup muscle can take an awfully long time to build but through various reasons, ie. not training, not eating correctly, supplementation etc muscle mass along with weight can decrease significantly quicker than the period it took to gain it.

But none if this happens over night

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Shout Dust wrote: »

It takes a lot longer to lose muscle than build it

Is that a joke? muscle mass takes a certain amount of food to maintain, it would disappear very quickly without proper nutrition and some training.

Duck's hoop

TimeToShine wrote: »

110 times??

I should've said a million. Slightly tongue in cheek.

I mean he can lift quite a lot for his size. I'm quite sure it's more than 2.5 but less than 110.

abff

Duck's hoop wrote: »

Massive big strong fcukers anyway.

But what's name of that lad from Limerick, older chap, not as massive as some but lifts 110 times his BW?

Mighty Mouse?

TimeToShine

Duck's hoop wrote: »

Massive big strong fcukers anyway.

But what's name of that lad from Limerick, older chap, not as massive as some but lifts 110 times his BW?

110 times??

Shout Dust

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Agreed , but as quick as these juicers gain muscle they end up losing it just as fast when they have to come off the gear so ladies the lesson here is to always go for a natural man with real muscle we're buff all year round and we got the balls to back it up .

It takes a lot longer to lose muscle than build it

Duck's hoop

Da Za wrote: »

Powerlifters are physical specimens

Massive big strong fcukers anyway.

But what's name of that lad from Limerick, older chap, not as massive as some but lifts 110 times his BW?

Da Za

Powerlifters are physical specimens

Duck's hoop

Nobody's mentioned rowers. Arguably the toughest and fittest of all the crazy fit nuts.

Rowers are the one group that other Olympic competitors look at and wonder why they'd want to do it.

A senior club level orsman might train 15 hours pw for an event topping out at 7 minutes.

YFlyer

Wibbs wrote: »

Yea the other disciplines are fairly hampered, the swimmers most of all. If you took our own Sean Kelly at his peak, roped him to the back of a rowboat for the swimming section, once you popped him on the bike the rest of the field would be reeled in in short order(monster time trialler that he was). He could damn near walk the marathon section and still best the swimmers who started out.

Reading on Wikipedia, US Navy Commander John Collins said that with his high VO2 max (highest recorded then), that Eddie Merckx would be the 'most fit than anybody else.' Him suggesting that having a Triathlon with the three existing events already on the Kailua Kona island should be raced together may have benefit the cyclist.

Forgive me I'm trying to type this with a feed of Argentinian Malbec.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironman_Triathlon

mufcboy1999

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Crossfit.

Even more impressive if he can maintain that much muscle mass naturally by doing an what is an endurance sport in crossfit.

Wibbs

Aidric wrote: »

Good analysis as usual.

Paypal sent...

Wiry is a description I've always struggled with. Always seemed to me to be a less forward way of describing someone as skinny.

I'd see it as someone well toned and strong myself. Ultimate example of wiry for me would be Bruce Lee. Quite slight in frame, not bulky, but fcuk me was he ripped and strong.

Stress and anxiety will certainly keep the weight off.

Yea, it really screws with so many other hormonal systems in the body. Further to my above ravings... A pic from Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bathurst_Island_men.jpg

Native Aussie blokes* in the 1930's. The dude in the middle is no spring chicken by any stretch. Grey haired elder dude and he has a physique few of us in the west would have at 20, never mind 50. No mirrors, no gyms, no creatine, no roids. The same bloke is likely looking at me and what passes for my physique from the dreamtime with uncontrolled tears of laughter and derision. The oul bastard. *shakes fist(weakly)*

*I personally hate the term "aborigine". It's a generic term for "natives" and a real misnomer for such an amazing set of peoples and cultures.

Wibbs

YFlyer wrote: »

Yes that is true. A brillant swimmer would gain very little in an Iron man.

Yea the other disciplines are fairly hampered, the swimmers most of all. If you took our own Sean Kelly at his peak, roped him to the back of a rowboat for the swimming section, once you popped him on the bike the rest of the field would be reeled in in short order(monster time trialler that he was). He could damn near walk the marathon section and still best the swimmers who started out.

Aidric

Wibbs wrote: »

EG I'm skinny and long limbed for a bloke. A mate of mine would have the same basic frame as me, but he's also well muscled. Wiry as it were, six pack and the like. If we were an ad in a man's mag I'd be the before shot in the scrawny to brawny sales pitch. For him to look like me, he'd basically have to eat, or not, like me. For me to look like him, I'd have to eat much more with a better balance and put serious work in with weights like he does.

Good analysis as usual. Wiry is a description I've always struggled with. Always seemed to me to be a less forward way of describing someone as skinny.

Wibbs wrote: »

They live stressful, sometimes very emotionally stressful lives, however their stress is more acute, it comes in peaks, the community and culture soaks up the most of it and then they go back to baseline. In modern western life stress is a near constant, a chronic presence. A tinnitus of the soul. A background "noise" we get inured to. To the degree that few of us experience daily and actual calm in ourselves(unless blessed with a mind that deals with it better). Even when we forget diabetes and heart disease, rates of depression, anxiety and suicide spectrum illnesses are very low in such cultures.

Stress and anxiety will certainly keep the weight off.

YFlyer

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

ok, I suppose if it was Lance Armstrong who said it, it must be true

Touche

Wibbs

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

bull****, TDF is much tougher

Yep and it's but one of a long list of near daily races they ride in a season. Year after year. Never mind the big names, the domestiques are scarily fit aerobically.

YFlyer

Wibbs wrote: »

Yes the impact nature of the sport is a biggie, no argument there, but IMHO more likely said for effect and PR TBH. He's not exactly a stranger to winning Ironman triathlons after all. Though to be fair to you a very good biker has the best opportunity to gain time over the other disciplines in a triathlon.

Yes that is true. A brillant swimmer would gain very little in an Iron man.

kumate_champ07

YFlyer wrote: »

Well that is what he said.

Can't see a 2:04 marathon runner racing at 95% capacity 28 days in a row.

ok, I suppose if it was Lance Armstrong who said it, it must be true

kumate_champ07

guys with ultra defined abs in photos, besides the air brush and physical makeup also have dieted specifically for the photoshoot. its not a natural 24/7 look

they also suck in their gut, Kirk Douglas and alot of his generation had to hold in their gut during shooting, to have a specific masculine look. they didnt diet or exercise the same as these days, some were overweight in real life

YFlyer

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

bull****, TDF is much tougher

Well that is what he said.

Can't see a 2:04 marathon runner racing at 95% capacity 28 days in a row.

Wibbs

YFlyer wrote: »

Lance Armstrong running the ING marathon the 1st time only managed 2:59 and stated 'the race was extremely difficult compared to the Tour de France.'

Yes the impact nature of the sport is a biggie, no argument there, but IMHO more likely said for effect and PR TBH. He's not exactly a stranger to winning Ironman triathlons after all. Though to be fair to you a very good biker has the best opportunity to gain time over the other disciplines in a triathlon.

kumate_champ07

YFlyer wrote: »

Marathon running is completely different due to the constant leg impact with the ground. The leg muscles, tendons and ligaments would need time to heal before the athlete could race at a similar high intensity again.

Lance Armstrong running the ING marathon the 1st time only managed 2:59 and stated 'the race was extremely difficult compared to the Tour de France.'

bull****, TDF is much tougher

Wibbs

Daveysil15 wrote: »

And in some cases photoshopped too. It's not just women that are airbrushed and made to look slimmer. I remember seen a documentary where the retouchers made a fitness models shoulders wider and his waist smaller. And he was already is excellent shape.

Body make up too. Even before all the fashion tricks of the trade/deception, unless a guy had seriously good genetics and kept a serious eye on his environment(food/exercise) and was kicking the right hormones(so basically under say 35 and/or adding some into the mix) it would be very difficult to sustain anything like the levels you'd see in magazines for very long.

I'd say - and I might get slated for this - harder to sustain than what female models have to generally do. Yes they have the genetics for tall and narrow frames, but sustaining the look would mostly be down to serious calorie deficit compared to normal*. EG I'm skinny and long limbed for a bloke. A mate of mine would have the same basic frame as me, but he's also well muscled. Wiry as it were, six pack and the like. If we were an ad in a man's mag I'd be the before shot in the scrawny to brawny sales pitch. For him to look like me, he'd basically have to eat, or not, like me. For me to look like him, I'd have to eat much more with a better balance and put serious work in with weights like he does.

Physiques like that are hard to achieve and sustain in the modern world environment anyway. If you look at blokes living neolithic "stone age" cultures, a fair number of them have well impressive physiques. And keep them for longer as they age too. They've generally better hair and teeth too and bone densities well above average office worker who puts in three nights a week in the gym. The crossfit guys and gals are onto something on that score IMHO. Though personally my theory would add in that in the western world we're buggered on one score, your neolithic guys and gals are rocking far lower levels of cortisol as a near given(Low levels of insulin and cortisol = long, healthy life. Cholesterol etc just follow on from those two.). They live stressful, sometimes very emotionally stressful lives, however their stress is more acute, it comes in peaks, the community and culture soaks up the most of it and then they go back to baseline. In modern western life stress is a near constant, a chronic presence. A tinnitus of the soul. A background "noise" we get inured to. To the degree that few of us experience daily and actual calm in ourselves(unless blessed with a mind that deals with it better). Even when we forget diabetes and heart disease, rates of depression, anxiety and suicide spectrum illnesses are very low in such cultures.

* while obviously peoples metabolic rates can vary and obviously medical conditions can cause weight gain or loss(I'd bet the farm that clinically it's more the latter in %), the "heavy people get that way by eating more" idea(oft thinly veiled insult) goes for the reverse too. Runway models that claim they chow down on burgers and chinner dinners daily are 99% of the time lying for the sake of PR. Maybe "daily" means once a week and champers and ciggies the rest of the time.

Stench Blossoms

Crossfit.