meeeeh wrote: » Hahaha, it really is hard life when the only complaint about oppression some atheists can find is that they can't get plastered on two days in a year. Can't you find some actual discrimination to fight against? There are plenty of more secular countries which also close shops every Sunday and there are no problems. In fact those things are often supported by unions. I'm an atheist and I like Christmas so I also understand how majority of people like to spend it at home. The good Friday is a different story but it's not a great problem either.
Strumms wrote: » Damn... I didn't know you made the rules around here... The truth is there has been no compelling argument made in my own view as to why pubs should be open on Xmas day. I and others have voiced reasonable opinions as why they should stay closed... Others like yourself skirt around these opinions with no reasonable retort or facts while you still dismiss any thought to those effected negatively and then shout people down simply by claiming their argument is irrelevant basically because that's all you can do. Nice job !
dundalkfc10 wrote: » Your argument regarding guardai nurses etc is valid regarding needing more of them working etc.. but why is Christmas Day different to say St Patricks Day?
Scortho wrote: » The issue is the law saying that it has to be closed. If business owners want too close on a Sunday let them. But they should also be allowed open if they so wish too. I'm sure there are plenty of a la carte Catholics pissed this evening.
Strumms wrote: » I'm happy to have a healthy debate but I draw the line at giving you free education... I know my opinion holds valid re: the thousands of extra frontline support staff that will have their Christmases ****ed up.. I know my opinion about all staff of said establishments who will have to work will experience the same is valid also. As for the difference between the two days.... Seriously write to your TD or find a small child to explain it to you it can be part of a class project or something. How many pages in are we now without a counter argument ... Exactly the silence is deafening part from ughhh I wanna go to the pub on Xmas day...it should be my right **** everyone else... Yeah awesomes.
The Backwards Man wrote: » Na, used to work in a pub years ago and opened on Christmas Day on the QT. Best thing ever happened was the guards closing us down one day. It's only when you work in a pub that you see the amount of Christmas Days ruined for kids as a result of alcohol.
GarIT wrote: » What is the significance of today that non religious people have to shut down their lifes for?
feargale wrote: » Yes, and if you saw what ends up in family courts and other courts after Christmas you'd close them for a week before Christmas.
GarIT wrote: » I think it's wrong that the country dictates when things can or can't open. If staff want the day off they can book it like any other day. I know I would love to work today.[\B]
Henlars67 wrote: » There have been any amount of counter-arguments. You just choose to ignore them because they don't fit with your ridiculous view that the reason the law is there is to ensure that people have the day off.
Henlars67 wrote: » Oh ya, a few people can't handle their drink and cause trouble so the rest of us should be stopped from going to the pub. Ban everyone from driving too because some people are maniacs on the road
GarIT wrote: » No, you shouldn't be forced into it. I'm all for protecting peoples right to have the day off if they want though. Just because you like to do something doesn't make it right to force other people to do it. I am yet to see one argument against making laws to ensure people in every industry dont have to work of they don't want to and then lifting the other restrictions.
rubberdiddies wrote: » Difference between pubs and most other businesses is that pubs are a licenced premises. Shops aren't. Licenced premises have to follow rules such as can't serve before 10.30am, can't serve after 11.30pm etc. that's just the way it is. I'm all for the continental model of cafe bar culture where on the one hand many different types of premises are allowed to serve alcohol but on the other hand the majority don't go out and get hammered for the sake of being hammered and it's a much more social thing. I'd love that here. But unfortunately in Ireland and the UK we can't handle drink and insist on binge drinking. Because of that (and of course because of political vested interests), we will probably never move to that model.
Tiddlypeeps wrote: » People go to the pub anyway, it's just now the pubs have to break the law if they want to serve drink. It's pretty common in the the country side in particular. The publicans risk large fines and possibly losing their license because of some backwards religious custom. It's the same as good friday. If the pub owners want to close for the day then that would obviously be absolutely fine, but making it illegal for them to open is really stupid.
Scortho wrote: » Being overweight is unhealthy and kills thousands of people each year, yet we don't licence when food can be sold,:
Scortho wrote: » I'm saying that limiting the hours/days that premises can sell alcohol doesn't fix the drinking problem in this country. People just stock up and binge drink anyway. Being overweight is unhealthy and kills thousands of people each year, yet we don't licence when food can be sold, because that would be foolish and stupid because a fat person can still eat....yet we ban the selling of drink during certain hours! :rolleyes:
Shout Dust wrote: » Food is essential for survival, drink is not. Though something should be done to curb the rising levels of obesity and overweight people
Strumms wrote: » That my be the origin of the law. To change it would need a compelling reason. The only one I've heard so far is... "Because we want to" "it's religious oppression and my rights are being infringed" " I don't want to spend time with my family" There is no compelling reason to inconvenience tens of thousands of hard working people out of a nice quite Christmas, a day off and I include the knock on effect of more gardai, hospital staff etc... So YOU want to go down the pub on one of the only 2 days a year that it's closed.... So ****in what... Unreasonable much ? . It's not all about YOU... Read a book about ducks... Or do something else that doesn't involve the few ****ing it up for the many... For ONE day..
Scortho wrote: » People just stock up and binge drink anyway.
MJ23 wrote: » Plan ahead. Buy a few cans. It's two days in the year. If you can't manage that, then you have a problem.
Scortho wrote: » That isn't a valid argument to forcing a business to close. Give them the option to close Just because you don't want to go to the pub on Good Friday or Christmas Day, doesn't mean that someone else doesn't want to go.
Chancer3001 wrote: » I can't get over the amount of people grasping to the "staff day off" nonsense. Book the day off. Hire somebody who doesn't care about working that day. Get a job in a different industry. Should we close airports? Shops? Hotels? Restaurants? Petrol stations? An absolute nonsensical argument.
