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Full dole recipients to get €10.15 an hour - seen as slave labour

Value Hunter

Surprised I haven't seen any other threads on this

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dole-recipients-to-get-extra-20-a-week-for-20-hours-of-council-work-29863105.html

€10.15 an hour! - I know plenty who would take that with both hands!

Really sums up peoples attitudes when its seen as slave labour - as per the comments under the article

Even for under 25s - €123 a week for 20 hours work, I don't think €6.15 an hour is exactly slave labour.

Minimum wage in america is $8 which is roughly €5.85

Not to mention all the other benefits given when on social welfare - i.e rent allowance - getting your rent payed even though you don't work

I'm all for helping those in need, but paying for EVERYTHING someone needs, and allowing them not to work for it

Well whats the point in working???

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Mickeroo

I think how well you can live off the dole is pretty dependent on where you live. In some places you could easily feed yourself, pay rent and save a bit on top of it but if you live in one of the cities you'd most likely be screwed.

Gee_G

Ah yeah, nothing like a nice festive dole thread!!

20Cent

mango salsa wrote: »

They get paid 208 Euro per week for 19.5 hours

Not really they get 188 anyway, so the work is 1 euro per hour.

Gringo180

Princess Petulia Pissy Pants wrote: »

I wouldn't say that. I know some who are better off on the dole than a minimum wage job or even €10 an hour

That's impossible unless the person who is working is receiving less or the same as an unemployed person.

degrassinoel

Value Hunter wrote: »

As opposed to Ireland where you can sit on your ass and be better of than people who work

wow, nice attitude to the unemployed there. Happy Christmas to you too!

You don't honestly think that every unemployed person in the country gets 384 quid do you? Not everyone is entitled to supplementary rent allowance, and it is supplementary. You also don't get your food and clothes paid for, nor your bills paid either.

at this time of year it's incredibly hard to get by on 180 quid a week. I'm on disability and get slightly less than the social welfare, do yourself a favour and lighten up, if it bugs you so much that people who are unfortunate enough to be unemployed get help in the form of a supplementary rent allowance, bring it to your TD and see if he/she will do anything for ye, be thankful for what you have.

[Deleted User]

If people could see past anything they dislike about someone having the nerve to be unemployed and focus on the employment that should be created from such projects that isn't being created we might actually get somewhere.

KERSPLAT!

Gringo180 wrote: »

That's impossible unless the person who is working is receiving less or the same as an unemployed person.

Impossible? It depends on the persons situation. Paying for a creche or child minder for example

Red Crow

Boards.ie is full of people on the dole so don't expect any criticism of the welfare ones to go down well here.

"scraping by", "happy to trade positions"... Makes me laugh. A lot of the people who are still unemployed are unemployable because of their ridiculous demands and their snobbery won't allow them to do certain types of work. Just because they got €500 quid a week laying bricks or plastering means that they won't demean themselves to do lessor paid work.

There is a portion of Ireland that are allergic to work. I know there are some genuine people who are suffering but the majority of people I know on the dole aren't bothered handing out CVs and the usual retort is "Ah sure there are no jobs out there".

Pure laziness.

Gringo180

Princess Petulia Pissy Pants wrote: »

Impossible? It depends on the persons situation. Paying for a creche or child minder for example

Well that's a decision they made in life to have kids, its not the single persons fault on the dole that people in low paid jobs are struggling to provide for there kids

Why don't they take there anger out on the government instead of the poorest in society??

P.Walnuts

The title of this thread is completely misleading, you don't write headlines for the Daily Mail by any chance OP?

Dole is €188

Extra 20 hours work = €208

Work = €1 per hour

Jester252

SV wrote: »

they are already entitled to the majority of that though without doing a tap.
So offering an extra 20 for 20 hours work is indeed 1 euro an hour.

This is the perfect example of a certian attitude with some people on the dole. Why earn money, when I can get most of it handed to me?

Bertser

Does anyone know the unions that Phil Hogan is talking about?

KERSPLAT!

Red Crow wrote: »

Boards.ie is full of people on the dole so don't expect any criticism of the welfare ones to go down well here.

"scraping by", "happy to trade positions"... Makes me laugh. A lot of the people who are still unemployed are unemployable because of their ridiculous demands and their snobbery won't allow them to do certain types of work. Just because they got €500 quid a week laying bricks or plastering means that they won't demean themselves to do lessor paid work.

There is a portion of Ireland that are allergic to work. I know there are some genuine people who are suffering but the majority of people I know on the dole aren't bothered handing out CVs and the usual retort is "Ah sure there are no jobs out there".

Pure laziness.

I used the term scraping by, I was one of the unemployed about 18 months ago. I'm now a part time student and a part time caretaker (pretty much a cleaner) on minimum wage. We aren't all lazy ****s that sit around all day laughing at the employed, cashing our cheques and pissing it against the wall like most people on here seem to think. I'm far from lazy.

Value Hunter

A lot of the problems with Ireland have been brought up here

Example 1 - Hard working employee works 40 hours a week on minimum wage - gets no rent allowance and has to pay for child care

Example 2 - Dole receiver works zero hours, gets rent payed and food/bill money, majority of child costs are covered by the state

There is only one of group in the examples that can survive in that situation and we all know which one it is

yoloc

Value Hunter wrote: »

Minmimun wage worker - 40 hours a week = €346

Welfare recipient - €183 + rent allowance = ?? est €150/€200 per week? (I have no source at hand)

Guy who works 40 hours - €346

guy who works 0 hours = €333/€383

Fair?

You say rent allowence as if they get that money to spend. When someone is unemployed and cant afford housing, its up to the government to provide housing. You peoplw actuly sickwn me, your the scummy type thia captialism has created with tge attitude of, dont work = **** you. There isnt enough jobs for all of us and tbh, i honestly couldnt give 2 fcuks at what somone recieves on benifits. It doesnt effect me in anyway so why should i be a jealous bastard. Ive a life to live ffs. If and when you ****ing idiots get your wish and benefits are scrapped, wait and see how society turns out then . You are one of the reasons why society is ****ed with your bull**** mindset. O, and happy crimbo!!

0ph0rce0

Jester252 wrote: »

This is the perfect example of a certian attitude with some people on the dole. Why earn money, when I can get most of it handed to me?

Because you work your balls off paying these ***** tax so that in the situation when or if i loose my job you get the assistance you paid for.

systemicrisk

Gringo180 wrote: »

Why do people lucky enough to have a job always take it out on the most vulnerable in society, the government really do love a divided nation, sure take it out on the people who are on the dole instead of the fat cats who have the country in the mess its in. Some people just sicken me.

Thats not really the point though. I understand there is something a bit wrong about taking away peoples choice and forcing them to do a particular job for their dole but perhaps if there was a range of jobs that they could choose from ranging from administrative to manual labour. The rate of pay certainly is not slave labour at 10.15 an hour. I would not accept under 25s bein paid less though. At 20 hours per week there would still be plenty of time to search for work as well. Definately would need a good level of choice and proper employment rights.

Gringo180

Value Hunter wrote: »

A lot of the problems with Ireland have been brought up here

Example 1 - Hard working employee works 40 hours a week on minimum wage - gets no rent allowance and has to pay for child care

Example 2 - Dole receiver works zero hours, gets rent payed and food/bill money, majority of child costs are covered by the state

There is only one of group in the examples that can survive in that situation and we all know which one it is

Why not attack the system instead of the people??

COYW

Mickeroo wrote: »

I think how well you can live off the dole is pretty dependent on where you live. In some places you could easily feed yourself, pay rent and save a bit on top of it but if you live in one of the cities you'd most likely be screwed.

Absolutely true. I was over with friends last night and their nephew was telling me that he lived very comfortably on the dole for 10 months. He was living at home with his parents, so his food, rent, heating etc was all covered. The dole money was pocket money for him. He turned into a right lazy git though, his words not mine and is far better off, not financially I might add, working in his minimum wage job now.

Value Hunter

P.Walnuts wrote: »

The title of this thread is completely misleading, you don't write headlines for the Daily Mail by any chance OP?

Dole is €188

Extra 20 hours work = €208

Work = €1 per hour

That thought process just proves my point. How someone can think working 20 hours a week for a minimum of €208 works out at €1 an hour is beyond me

KERSPLAT!

Value Hunter wrote: »

A lot of the problems with Ireland have been brought up here

Example 1 - Hard working employee works 40 hours a week on minimum wage - gets no rent allowance and has to pay for child care

Example 2 - Dole receiver works zero hours, gets rent payed and food/bill money, majority of child costs are covered by the state

There is only one of group in the examples that can survive in that situation and we all know which one it is

Bull****

Gee_G

Value Hunter wrote: »

A lot of the problems with Ireland have been brought up here

Example 1 - Hard working employee works 40 hours a week on minimum wage - gets no rent allowance and has to pay for child care

Example 2 - Dole receiver works zero hours, gets rent payed and food/bill money, majority of child costs are covered by the state

There is only one of group in the examples that can survive in that situation and we all know which one it is

Food/bill money??
Child costs??
I am on sw and these are both news to me!

BillyMitchel

Aren't you a jolly oul St.Nick.

The world would be falling around us and some tool would still be on AH moaning about the dole, single mothers, 3 wheeler buggies, tracksuits, how can they afford the 50 cans of bud they'll drink between today and tomorrow.

Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble John Player Blue

But Joe she even had new shoes on her feet Joe. They were them boots with the spikes on them Joe! Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble What we gonna do Joe? I can't even afford an extra bit of lamb for Christmas lunch Joe. So has to settle for a nice turkey and ham Joe.

Bore off

WildCardDoW

systemicrisk wrote: »

Thats not really the point though. I understand there is something a bit wrong about taking away peoples choice and forcing them to do a particular job for their dole but perhaps if there was a range of jobs that they could choose from ranging from administrative to manual labour. The rate of pay certainly is not slave labour at 10.15 an hour. I would not accept under 25s bein paid less though. At 20 hours per week there would still be plenty of time to search for work as well. Definately would need a good level of choice and proper employment rights.

Done that way it's almost an extension of Job Bridge, but at a Hob Bridge you have to work full time hours, like I said I don't disagree with the idea behind the scheme and your suggestions would certainly improve it, but it's hard to implement a system like this that is fair.

And while there are decent people who would kill to work, there are others who really don't want to, thankfully I view them as the minority, unlike some others.

Jester252

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

Because you work your balls off paying these ***** tax so that in the situation when or if i loose my job you get the assistance you paid for.

This would be a decent argument if Ireland has a Spainish type SW not none stop cover SW.

Femme_Fatale

So they get dole plus 20 hours per week of work, for which they are paid €20 and the spindo's angle is to divide the entire sum they receive (benefits plus pay for €20) and divide it by 20 hours. Classy - and really intelligent by that superb publication. Shur in fairness it knew lots of dopes would buy into that angle.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Value Hunter wrote: »

Surprised I haven't seen any other threads on this

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dole-recipients-to-get-extra-20-a-week-for-20-hours-of-council-work-29863105.html

€10.15 an hour! - I know plenty who would take that with both hands!

Really sums up peoples attitudes when its seen as slave labour - as per the comments under the article

Even for under 25s - €123 a week for 20 hours work, I don't think €6.15 an hour is exactly slave labour.

Minimum wage in america is $8 which is roughly €5.85

Not to mention all the other benefits given when on social welfare - i.e rent allowance - getting your rent payed even though you don't work

I'm all for helping those in need, but paying for EVERYTHING someone needs, and allowing them not to work for it

Well whats the point in working???

You sure you linked to the right story? No mention of 10.15 an hour anywhere in that story...?

Soft Falling Rain

Value Hunter wrote: »

Surprised I haven't seen any other threads on this

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dole-recipients-to-get-extra-20-a-week-for-20-hours-of-council-work-29863105.html

€10.15 an hour! - I know plenty who would take that with both hands!

Really sums up peoples attitudes when its seen as slave labour - as per the comments under the article

Even for under 25s - €123 a week for 20 hours work, I don't think €6.15 an hour is exactly slave labour.

Minimum wage in america is $8 which is roughly €5.85

Not to mention all the other benefits given when on social welfare - i.e rent allowance - getting your rent payed even though you don't work

I'm all for helping those in need, but paying for EVERYTHING someone needs, and allowing them not to work for it

Well whats the point in working???

You really can't win if you're on welfare.

Being on welfare = you're a bum making no effort.

Being on welfare & willingly partaking in initiatives like this = you're still a bum who is getting "overpaid".

Bare in mind that an extra 20 a week really isn't earth shattering, given they'll probably end up spending more than that getting to and from the placement so to speak.

I'm employed btw.

0ph0rce0

Value Hunter wrote: »

That thought process just proves my point. How someone can think working 20 hours a week for a minimum of €208 works out at €1 an hour is beyond me

What don't you get? You pay tax for these reasons

If you loose your job you get assistance, why? because you paid for it.

If i was on the dole and was told to work 20hrs for an extra 20 quid (1 euro per hour) i'd tell them to **** off.

I'm entitled to the 188 because I've worked and paid my tax for this reason.

P.Walnuts

Value Hunter wrote: »

That thought process just proves my point. How someone can think working 20 hours a week for a minimum of €208 works out at €1 an hour is beyond me

No, that thought process is logical and is based on what actually happens.

A person is working 20 hours a week and they receive €20, are the numbers to complicated too hard for you to understand? If they didn't do those 20 hours they would still receive €188, so that money has nothing to do with the 20 hours work, rightly or wrongly.

PS I am not saying the dole is too high or people should be expected to contribute something, but please don't twist things to suit your own agenda. Thread title should be changed as it is completely wrong.