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Peter O'Toole has died

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A great Irishman and a great actor, and a very great loss. RIP Peter O'Toole.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1215/493044-peter-otoole-/
Methinks I may just get drunk in his memory!

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ballsymchugh

murpho999 wrote: »

RIP Peter O'Toole. A great actor.

As usual, UK media will say he was British.

on the bbc news just now, they said 'o'toole and fellow irish actor richard harris...'

well, that's that sorted then!

justforlaugh

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Who gives a **** where he was born. If you have nothing positive to add to the thread then kindly fcuk off.

well duh that was the point i was trying to make to murpho999 so you can fcuk off you daft tawt

Donkey Oaty

Pang wrote: »

Thought he was a great actor. Loved Lawrence in Arabia.

David Cameron says in tribute that Lawrence of Arabia is his favourite film.

Obviously a man of diverse tastes, as Benny Hill's "Ernie - The Fastest Milkman in the West" is one of his favourite songs.

justforlaugh

well if the bbc say he's irish that ok then

Green Hornet

Ah jaysus lads, who cares whether he was British or Irish for Gods sake.....

This crap drives me bonkers......

RIP.

Donkey Oaty

Green Hornet wrote: »

Ah jaysus lads, who cares whether he was British or Irish for Gods sake.....

This crap drives me bonkers......

RIP.

Totally agree.

Nevertheless, I have sent detailed questionnaires to Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Day-Lewis to establish exactly where their loyalties lie so that in the event of their deaths I can adjust my grief accordingly.

Stereomaniac

It never ceases to amaze me how threads get so derailed on this message board. Peter O'Toole has died. Let's just remember him fondly and we can all decide for ourselves where we believe he was from. I am led to believe that he identified himself as Irish, so that's fine here.

Wibbs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXlDmAzrPi8

One of the true greats of cinema(and stage). There was a better quality version of the above, but it seems to be lost in the eulogies on Youtube.

His Lawrence of Arabia work is astounding IMH. My fave film. The scene where he comes back from his first foray into war after he has killed someone he knew well and is trying to explain to Allenby is sublime in it's skill and humanity.

I met him, many moons ago. Really lovely bloke. Very kind and funny and interesting and inquisitive, without the chat show memoirs stuff. When I consider the public brilliance it obviously resonates, but on a personal, all too brief encounter I just remember a nice man. RIP Peter.

greenflash

murpho999 wrote: »

As usual, UK media will say he was British.

Does this ever genuinely happen, or is just some nationalist oppression fantasy? Every report I've read describes O'Toole as Irish, even though he was half Scottish, spent practically no time here, English educated and based and may not have even been born here. Other than when Barry McGuigan chose to box for Britain and was described as British, I genuinely can't recall any instances of this actually happening.

RIP Peter O'Toole

RobbingBandit

Was bloody great in Strumpet City, loved his acting in Troy one of the only good things about that film, RIP.

Donkey Oaty

greenflash wrote: »

Does this ever genuinely happen, or is just some nationalist oppression fantasy?

My favourite examples from memory:

Thatcher on Geldof (before his KBE and without British Citizenship): "A true Brit."

UK Breakfast TV (I forget which channel) after an interview with The Chieftains - "And there you have it, the first British band to tour China..."

But these are mostly misunderstandings rather than conspiracies to rob Ireland of any dignity by "claiming" people as their own, and it's driven by a desire to connect with the target audience. For example, in the Tour de France, in the absence of any serious competition from anyone in the UK, British commentators cheered on Sean Kelly - somewhat desperately - as an "English-speaking rider".

Edit: Sorry to all Peter O'Toole fans for continuing off topic.

johndoe99

Lawrence of Arabia was Oscar winning material for best actor, just unlucky it came up against Birdman of Alcatraz and To Kill A Mockingbird.

astonaidan

greenflash wrote: »

Does this ever genuinely happen, or is just some nationalist oppression fantasy? Every report I've read describes O'Toole as Irish, even though he was half Scottish, spent practically no time here, English educated and based and may not have even been born here. Other than when Barry McGuigan chose to box for Britain and was described as British, I genuinely can't recall any instances of this actually happening.

RIP Peter O'Toole

Thats not exactly true, he has a house in west Galway where his daughter still lives. He spent quiet alot off time here

timthumbni

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

My favourite examples from memory:

Thatcher on Geldof (before his KBE and without British Citizenship): "A true Brit."

UK Breakfast TV (I forget which channel) after an interview with The Chieftains - "And there you have it, the first British band to tour China..."

But these are mostly misunderstandings rather than conspiracies to rob Ireland of any dignity by "claiming" people as their own, and it's driven by a desire to connect with the target audience. For example, in the Tour de France, in the absence of any serious competition from anyone in the UK, British commentators cheered on Sean Kelly - somewhat desperately - as an "English-speaking rider".

Edit: Sorry to all Peter O'Toole fans for continuing off topic.

Does anyone bar some uber republicans really give a feck about this sort of thing anymore. I consider peter o'toole as being Irish even if he had a wonderful upper class Brit accent.

He was a "hellraiser" the clip that someone posted of him and Richard Harris was class.

jebus84

who gives a **** about the lack of Oscars, O'Toole's zero Oscars record reminds us all that awards are great as snapshots of a moment and worthless as measures of a career and that can be said for most awards

wish i had seen him on the stage mind you

RIP Peter O'Toole

Mint Aero

Ok thanks for telling me OP but I seen it on the news already like

Donkey Oaty

timthumbni wrote: »

Does anyone bar some uber republicans really give a feck about this sort of thing anymore.

Not the right thread for this discussion I admit, but as you are quoting me, I can assure you that non-republicans (uber or otherwise) do care about this, and with good reason - because, across the world it is possible to come across people who have heard of Barry McGuigan, U2, Geldof, etc, but have never heard of Ireland and have assumed those famous people are British/English.

So it matters not as a rabble-rousing national pride thing, but in real terms for trade, tourism, brand-awareness, etc.

wp_rathead

Mint Aero wrote: »

Ok thanks for telling me OP but I seen it on the news already like

ah sure we may as well close the thread so seen as you've seen it on the news

Femme_Fatale

Mint Aero wrote: »

Ok thanks for telling me OP but I seen it on the news already like

Poor effort Minty - shur that could be said about any thread ever.

Mint Aero

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Poor effort Minty - shur that could be said about any thread ever.

T'was poor femmey

I'll drop the 'already like' bit for all future RIP threads. Nice and succint then isn't it.

timthumbni

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Not the right thread for this discussion I admit, but as you are quoting me, I can assure you that non-republicans (uber or otherwise) do care about this, and with good reason - because, across the world it is possible to come across people who have heard of Barry McGuigan, U2, Geldof, etc, but have never heard of Ireland and have assumed those famous people are British/English.

So it matters not as a rabble-rousing national pride thing, but in real terms for trade, tourism, brand-awareness, etc.

Fair enough but I have never heard anyone thnk that U2 were British. In saying that where do they officially live for tax reasons??? Maybe they are Dutch???

The funniest post I saw on this board was one regarding the edge from U2 and him wearing his hat at a funeral.

The poster typed

"The Edge ... I'd love to stick a knife in him"

Even typing this I'm pissing myself laughing. I know he was taking the piss but feck me that was superb. I love the Irish agressive humour (even as an Northern Irish man) lol.

krudler

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Was bloody great in Strumpet City, loved his acting in Troy one of the only good things about that film, RIP.

He hated Troy as well, didn't get on with the director apparently.

Donkey Oaty

timthumbni wrote: »

Fair enough but I have never heard anyone thnk that U2 were British. In saying that where do they officially live for tax reasons??? Maybe they are Dutch???

Maybe they are, as a corporate entity.

For your amusement, 100 years ago in history...

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=308169

Anyway, we digress. I'm sure Peter O'Toole would approve.

laugh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbFjLo8gRBk

K-9

Absolutely stunning looking man, up there with Brando in Hollywood iconic beautiful men, O'Toole aged well though. I could watch the Last Emporer and My Favourite Year over and over, virtuoso performances, scene grabbing, camera chewing, Pacino-esque and better than De Niro!

dd972

RIP Peter, one of the good guys

P.S; have the Hibernia-than-thous started the debate as regards him being a ''Tan'', ''a Brit'', or ''not one of us'' yet?

Sound of Silence

dd972 wrote: »

RIP Peter, one of the good guys

P.S; have the Hibernia-than-thous started the debate as regards him being a ''Tan'', ''a Brit'', or ''not one of us'' yet?

The only time that debate came up was when people started butting in and saying he wasn't Irish - And I doubt they were Republicans.

Daqster

RTE have made an episode of Broadsheet (from 1963) where he was interviewed, available to view on the RTE Player:

http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/1149728/

K-9

seenitall wrote: »

RIP.

Him, Richard Harris, Richard Burton and Oliver Reed were the original hellraisers (I am euphemising here :pac:). The likes of Colin Farrell and Jonathan Rhys-Myers, with their rehabs and their yoga retreats, will never be able to touch those four. Although they've both tried their very best.

You forget Albert Finney, absolute gent. I'd the pleasure to open 2 bottles of champagne in front of Albert and a gorgeous redhead less than half is age in tow. First time I took his 20 quid tip no problem, second time, I had to kindly resist, as did the red head, total gentleman, the naivety and generosity was just immense.

He had lunch in the same restaurant, tipped the waiter, went down for drinks, tipped me, refused the next tip, back up for dinner, again refused a tip.

Complete and utter gents, and I think Harris, O'Toole, Burton, Finney, Hurt always had manners. Generous to a fault. I'll always remember Finney and I met Neeson and plenty of other celebs in my time.

Finney always made a point of remembering the waiters name.

timthumbni

K-9 wrote: »

You forget Albert Finney, absolute gent. I'd the pleasure to open 2 bottles of champagne in front of Albert and a gorgeous redhead less than half is age in tow. First time I took his 20 quid tip no problem, second time, I had to kindly resist, as did the red head, total gentleman, the naivety and generosity was just immense.

He had lunch in the same restaurant, tipped the waiter, went down for drinks, tipped me, refused the next tip, back up for dinner, again refused a tip.

Complete and utter gents, and I think Harris, O'Toole, Burton, Finney, Hurt always had manners. Generous to a fault. I'll always remember Finney and I met Neeson and plenty of other celebs in my time.

Finney always made a point of remembering the waiters name.

Where the feck did you work exactly???