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Gerry Adams : Terrorist or Freedom Fighter?

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jantheman91

hungry hippo 4 wrote: »

The fact that you labelled it lord trimble is enough for me. Adams and McGuinness got the last laugh! Say goodbye to your fleg lads

They took are fleg!

Loyalists made a holy show of themselves. Showed themselves up for the narrow-minded scum they are.

The fact that his username has 'Lord' in it says enough.

Loyalists are very good at deflecting to the old ''IRA terrorist scum'' when in reality their inception was as a result of imperialistic measures of which Mr. Sutch seems adamant to defend.

hungry hippo 4

Carlos Roca wrote: »

Our Imperialist-in-Chief and self-declared enemy of Irish independence here condemns Republican reactionary violence as terrorism while keeping his gob shut on Union/loyalist state violence that gave rise to it.

Take a bow Carlos.

His attitude essentially makes the matter null and void.

Fratton Fred

jantheman91 wrote: »

The fact that his username has 'Lord' in it says enough.

Loyalists are very good at deflecting to the old ''IRA terrorist scum'' when in reality their inception was as a result of imperialistic measures of which Mr. Sutch seems adamant to defend.

Have you never heard of screaming Lord sutch?

Great guy.

hungry hippo 4

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Have you never heard of screaming Lord sutch?

Great guy.

Its sutchs side kick. I can picture you guys walking hand in hand like paisley and trimble!

Banjo String

LordSutch wrote: »

John Hume & Seamus Mallon were Nationalists, and I supported their peaceful movement in gaining equality for Catholics in Northern Ireland. Adams was always too hate filled and devisive for my liking.

Seriously.

For what Adams endured during most of his adult life. If there's one thing he isn't. It's hate filled and divisive.

Adams only ever called for equality. It was the unionists that indulged in the triumphalism and bile Lord sutch.

Try to keep up or troll harder.

[Deleted User]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MjK_C-qV9o

This is a great video of Adams on the Late Late show.

A gallery of critics firing potshots and weak arguments, batted away with ease by Adams. He even shows a sense of humour at times. This to me doesn't seem like a hate-filled man, and certainly not a terrorist.

jantheman91

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MjK_C-qV9o

This is a great video of Adams on the Late Late show.

A gallery of critics firing potshots and weak arguments, batted away with ease by Adams. He even shows a sense of humour at times. This to me doesn't seem like a hate-filled man, and certainly not a terrorist.

Come on Wojtek, do you really think he's going to watch a video that nullifies any 'argument' he has made for his 'case' as a British Apologist.

Fratton Fred

hungry hippo 4 wrote: »

Its sutchs side kick. I can picture you guys walking hand in hand like paisley and trimble!

Oh dear. That really is very childish.

Karl Stein

Deleted User wrote: »

YOUTUBE-MjK_C-qV9o[/YOUTUBE

This is a great video of Adams on the Late Late show.

More of a media Kangaroo Court than an interview.

80% of people polled after the show believed Adams was 'set up but handled himself very well' despite the years of Section 31 tossers trying to expunge the struggle from the public consciousness.

LordSutch

hungry hippo 4 wrote: »

They took are fleg!

Loyalists made a holy show of themselves. Showed themselves up for the narrow-minded scum they are.

Seeing as I'm not a Loyalist I wouldn't disagree with that statment, but it still doesn't change the fact that Adams and the Provo's were a dark, evil & negative force during the Troubles, and for that reason I will never forgive Adams, the old ex provo that he surely is.

whats the point

LordSutch wrote: »

Seeing as I'm not a Loyalist I wouldn't disagree with that statment, but it still doesn't change the fact that Adams and the Provo's were a dark, evil & negative force during the Troubles, and for that reason I will never forgive Adams, the old ex provo that he surely is.

You make it sound like, the IRA just suddenly appeared one day from thin air and started causing mayhem for nothing.

Banjo String

whats the point wrote: »

You make it sound like, the IRA just suddenly appeared one day from thin air and started causing mayhem for nothing.

Or that he's watched too many star wars.

Adams and the Provo's were a dark, evil & negative force during the Troubles

Who were the goodies so Lord Sutch

LordSutch

whats the point wrote: »

You make it sound like, the IRA just suddenly appeared one day from thin air and started causing mayhem for nothing.

More or less yes, that sounds about right, and I would have always viewed the PIRA as an evil malevolent negative force, which has cursed this island for far too long (its current guise being the CIRA).

The Youtube clip in#188 is interesting, great to see Adams being grilled too . . .

whats the point

LordSutch wrote: »

More or less yes, that sounds about right, and I would have always viewed the PIRA as an evil malevolent negative force, which has cursed this island for far too long (its current guise being the CIRA).

The Youtube clip in#188 is interesting, great to see Adams being grilled too . . .

I guess that all depends on which side of town you grew up on.

[Deleted User]

LordSutch wrote: »

More or less yes, that sounds about right, and I would have always viewed the PIRA as an evil malevolent negative force, which has cursed this island for far too long (its current guise being the CIRA).

The Youtube clip in#188 is interesting, great to see Adams being grilled too . . .

Isn't it ridiculous that he and his party were censored by people with the same mindset as you for 20 years?

Freedom of speech how are you.

Your selective memory is funny. It's kind of like condemning the Americans for invading and occupying France during WWII without first mentioning the reason for the invasion and the context in which it took place.

hungry hippo 4

LordSutch wrote: »

More or less yes, that sounds about right, and I would have always viewed the PIRA as an evil malevolent negative force, which has cursed this island for far too long (its current guise being the CIRA).

The Youtube clip in#188 is interesting, great to see Adams being grilled too . . .

You are one ignorant man if you believe the IRA, formed not out of necessity.

The loyalists in my view acted with greater evil. What they did to the catholics in the early days of the troubles was disgusting. Imagine yourself in that position. Who could you turn to. Not the RUC thats for sure. I can completely understand the choice some made to pick up arms.

Nodin

LordSutch wrote: »

Seeing as I'm not a Loyalist I wouldn't disagree with that statment, but it still doesn't change the fact that Adams and the Provo's were a dark, evil & negative force during the Troubles, and for that reason I will never forgive Adams, the old ex provo that he surely is.

But you are a self avowed southern unionist who holds similar views as regards the men of 1916 and those who won our independence.

LordSutch

Banjo String wrote: »

Adams only ever called for equality. It was the unionists that indulged in the triumphalism and bile Lord sutch.

Try to keep up or troll harder.

Troll harder? because I said > > > "John Hume & Seamus Mallon were Nationalists, and I supported their peaceful movement in gaining equality for Catholics in Northern Ireland. Adams was always too hate filled and devisive for my liking".

That's not Trolling Mr Banjo, but I tell what may very well be, and that's posts#162,166,167 which I think tred a fine line between being out of order trolling, and banning offences.

Talking of which, anyone know who is Modding this thread?

Fratton Fred

hungry hippo 4 wrote: »

You are one ignorant man if you believe the IRA, formed not out of necessity.

The loyalists in my view acted with greater evil. What they did to the catholics in the early days of the troubles was disgusting. Imagine yourself in that position. Who could you turn to. Not the RUC thats for sure. I can completely understand the choice some made to pick up arms.

A greater evil? Is there a hierarchy of evilness then that somehow excuses the countless atrocities the IRA carried out?

The loyalists carried out some horrific acts, but don't for one minute try and pretend the IRA didn't.

Banjo String

LordSutch wrote: »

Troll harder? because I said > > > "John Hume & Seamus Mallon were Nationalists, and I supported their peaceful movement in gaining equality for Catholics in Northern Ireland. Adams was always too hate filled and devisive for my liking".

That's not Trolling Mr Banjo, but I tell what may very well be, and that's posts#162,166,167 which I think tred a fine line between being out of order trolling, and banning offences.

Talking of which, anyone know who is Modding this thread?

The bit in bold is, ok perhaps not trolling. Certainly ill iinformed though.

Report posts you disagree with. Mods will take apt action if necessary.

yizorselves

Gerry is a cool dude

Fratton Fred

yizorselves wrote: »

Gerry is a cool dude

He may be a lot of things, but cool?

No, definitely not.

Nice gnashers though!

Dyr

LordSutch wrote: »

John Hume & Seamus Mallon were Nationalists, and I supported their peaceful movement in gaining equality for Catholics in Northern Ireland. Adams was always too hate filled and devisive for my liking.

John Hume and Seamus Mallon were uncle toms.

whats the point

Fratton Fred wrote: »

A greater evil? Is there a hierarchy of evilness then that somehow excuses the countless atrocities the IRA carried out?

The loyalists carried out some horrific acts, but don't for one minute try and pretend the IRA didn't.

You cant keep bullying people and not expect them to fight back.

hungry hippo 4

Fratton Fred wrote: »

A greater evil? Is there a hierarchy of evilness then that somehow excuses the countless atrocities the IRA carried out?

The loyalists carried out some horrific acts, but don't for one minute try and pretend the IRA didn't.

The loyalists saw the catholics as easy isolated targets. Imagine being a child witnessing your family home being burned to the ground. People are then shocked when that young boy grows up to be a killer!

Oppressed people throughout history have always fought back. It is always their oppressors who are quick to label them terrorists.

Fred Swanson

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Fratton Fred

yizorselves wrote: »

Gerry is a cool dude

He may be a lot of things, but cool?

No, definitely not.

Nice gnashers though!

Fratton Fred

whats the point wrote: »

You cant keep bullying people and not expect them to fight back.

Fight back?

By murdering children?

jantheman91

hungry hippo 4 wrote: »

The loyalists saw the catholics as easy isolated targets. Imagine being a child witnessing your family home being burned to the ground. People are then shocked when that young boy grows up to be a killer!

Oppressed people throughout history have always fought back. It is always their oppressors who are quick to label them terrorists.

Excellent post. Nail on head.

Fratton Fred

hungry hippo 4 wrote: »

The loyalists saw the catholics as easy isolated targets. Imagine being a child witnessing your family home being burned to the ground. People are then shocked when that young boy grows up to be a killer!

Oppressed people throughout history have always fought back. It is always their oppressors who are quick to label them terrorists.

How would you describe someone who detonates a bomb outside a McDonald's on a Saturday lunch time?

Explain to me how that protected Catholics?