WilyCoyote wrote: » Who's blaming the entire force?
WilyCoyote wrote: » Incidentally, that was not my post. But if a garda sees something amiss he/she should stand up and be counted. Otherwise they are being complicit. However, whistleblowers as far back as Serpico usually get the bum's rush and are hounded out of the force. If this statement is wrong, let me know.
J K wrote: » Where's the cover up - the Garda authorities did their best to sack him. They investigated him, convicted him and punished him with dismissal. The Supreme Court overturned their decision. Is the Supreme Court in on your conspiracy?
kerry4sam wrote: » WilyCoyote, don't be getting yourself worked up over An Garda Síochána. Nothing like you would think from our or any National PoliceForce - nothing! Don't expect morals, honesty, decency, ethics, conscience or morality in serving full-time members and you might just be able to look one in the eye with a straight face imo.
WilyCoyote wrote: » Are you really serious? The guy was fitted up. His sergeant shafted him but he in turn was shot down by a higher entity. What crime did the poor guy commit anyway? As far as I can see, most of the posters thought that he was rightly sacked. Do you?
Pappa Charlie wrote: » Consider it done!
WilyCoyote wrote: » Is this a stock phrase when you're playing for time? After banging the same old drum ad nauseum you seem to have run out of puff. C'mon, there must be figures pinned to the wall in the tea room?
Pappa Charlie wrote: » What in the name of Jesus are you on about? If your post was an attempt at sounding intelligent, well you failed!
WilyCoyote wrote: » You keep calling into question the intelligence of others. Why is this? I asked you if my statement was wrong and if so to let me know. If you can't do that, you should acknowledge it and retreat gracefully. So, in your estimation, the gardai once again came up smelling of roses? And the guy that was exonerated is the criminal?
Hootanany wrote: » I think it was WHO WAS IN THE PUB that night ^ that tried to fit him up? alledgely:cool:
During that investigation, some people who admitted being in Monica's denied Gda Kelly entered the premises while the taxi driver said he had seen Gda Kelly enter the front door. An examination of his notebook showed information concerning that night was written with two different pens.
WilyCoyote wrote: » The Supreme Court ruled a Garda Board of Inquiry failed to give reasons for recommending Gda Kelly's dismissal and directed the board to give him those reasons before his fresh appeal.Neither the Board of Inquiry nor a Garda Appeals Board had explained their respective decisions in favour of dismissal "in even the most rudimentary way", Mr Justice O'Donnell said, in a judgment with which Chief Justice Susan Denham and Mr Justice Frank Clarke agreed. QUESTIONS The judge said the "remarkable" fact was Gda Kelly was dismissed after the Appeals Board applied some unknown test to facts which remain unclear.Not only did Gda Kelly not know what view the Board of Inquiry took of the facts, he did not know what the Appeals Board thought the inquiry had decided concerning the facts. IRISH INDEPENDENT Apparently, opaqueness is the new transparency or else the Garda Appeals Board are an incompetent shower
Pappa Charlie wrote: » I see! Your brother got in and you didn't!
WilyCoyote wrote: » Apparently, opaqueness is the new transparency or else the Garda Appeals Board are an incompetent shower
Pappa Charlie wrote: » You need not worry about it unless you are thinking of joining the gardai, the normal arguement here is that they don't investigate their own and take sanctions, clearly they do and they don't spare it when they think they are right! What was your point again?
WilyCoyote wrote: » But unless we are allowed to criticise any malfunctions in that department ....... they themselves would take no action. It was obvious from the earliest in this case that something was amiss. It was obvious that the initial outcome was faulty. I'd use the word corrupt but you seem to be sensitive to that idiom. 'Intentionally faulty' may meet the general criteria. The powers that be were hoping that the shafted garda would creep away - a broken spirit. But he decided to fight back. And fair play to him. And once again wrongdoings were uncovered. Not quite sure if gardai still take the oath ......... about discharging their duties to the best of their abilities......... the cute hoordom that exists would warrant investigating Why did the gardai obfuscate when asked to deliver certain statements? Was this doing their job to the best of their ability? As for my wanting to join the gardai? It had never crossed my mind
TheNog wrote: » But this happens from time to time in the Private Sector too and ends up in the Employment Trubunal but those companies involved are not called corrupt. Why are you insisting on using buzzwords to make your selective point? The **** happened and has been corrected just like many of other cases in the private sector. Recommendations will be made to make it more transparent/accountable so let's move on
WilyCoyote wrote: » But if recommendations were made and adhered to, why do these cases still surface. The legal side of this case was not rocket science. The 'let's move on' bit is a soundbite from PR. A bit like that political gurrier from North Dublin wanting to draw a line in the sand some years back before he was finally nailed ......... for corruption. The word 'corrupt' is generally used for government bodies or people that deal with government bodies. That's why I use it.
WilyCoyote wrote: » But if recommendations were made and adhered to, why do these cases still surface. The legal side of this case was not rocket The word 'corrupt' is generally used for government bodies or people that deal with government bodies. That's why I use it.
Pappa Charlie wrote: » There isn't a police force in the word that dosent have issues or problems, when you have 13000 staff you will alway have a few head the balls, are the gardai more corrupt that other forces, no and not by a long shot, tell me where the perfect police force is, stop trying to be the victim!
Pappa Charlie wrote: » This can happen in any job and does, both private sector and public sector. No one is coming out smelling of roses, some times things snowball and bad decisions are made. It's called life! Members of the gardai are recruited from the general public and not born to the Virgin Mary in templemore!
Hootanany wrote: » Austria Germany for a start
Pappa Charlie wrote: » They are perfect?
tree_tall wrote: » its more than a case of a few bad apples , their is systematic corruption within AGS the ombudsman regular issues statements in which they despair at the lack of co-operation from AGS when it comes to investigating complaints etc the nature of AGS is that it closes ranks when scandals arise , eulogising the guards is not only naïve , its foolish , any org with that much power must never be trusted too much some guy ( who,s name I cant remember now ) recently wrote an essay in which he expressed amazement at how high trust is amongst the public towards AGS
