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Why do people care more about animals than humans ?

Sunnyisland

Why do some people care more about animals than humans ?

In the thread about the horse being set on fire the debate here is still ongoing,with rightly outrage against what happened,even though it has been reported that the poor horse was already dead.

In the thread about the very unfortunate homeless man who was set on fire and beaten the thread is barely causing a ripple.

My own opinion is that while the two incidents are very serious the murder of the human being should take huge preference over the horse.

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btard

HansHolzel wrote: »

What's your dog's name? Blondi?

Nah. Sounds a bit gay for a dogs name. He's called 'go kiss my ass'. :cool:

Balaclava1991

btard wrote: »

Human suffering does move me. Too much. Those babies die in the third world because of other humans. They could be saved by humans. Humans don't give a ****. Be proud of your species.

What are you personally doing about human suffering?
When people stop you in the street or knock on your door do you signed on to a least one charity and donate a few quid a month? Do you fill your Trocaire box every year? Or would you be prepared to roll up your sleeves and do aid work in the Third World for a few years? Do you support political groups lobbying governments to highlight human rights abuses?
If you don't then I find your language rather hypocritical and self-righteous.

HansHolzel

btard wrote: »

Nah. Sounds a bit gay for a dogs name. He's called 'go kiss my ass'. :cool:

A dog befriending a donkey. Cool.

btard

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

What are you personally doing about human suffering?
When people stop you in the street or knock on your door do you signed on to a least one charity and donate a few quid a month? Do you fill your Trocaire box every year? Or would you be prepared to roll up your sleeves and do aid work in the Third World for a few years? Do you support political groups lobbying governments to highlight human rights abuses?
If you don't then I find your language rather hypocritical and self-righteous.

I don't. That's what the rest of you sanctimonious humans do to salve your conscience. You might as well piss in to the wind. Those children are still suffering and dying.

Balaclava1991

btard wrote: »

I don't. That's what the rest of you sanctimonious humans do to salve your conscience. You might as well piss in to the wind. Those children are still suffering and dying.

A few less children will suffer and die if you do something.
If you do absolutely nothing then you will make absolutely no difference.
Suffering and dying has always existed and will always exist.
Striving to change things even in the face of inevitable defeat gives life meaning.
The alternative is black despair.

onlyrocknroll

Are people aware that we are talking about an actual specific real homeless man who was murdered?

A lot of these posts saying "because people are scum" (and by extension more deserving of mistreatment) are absolutely disgusting in the context of this thread.

Irish Guitarist

Although I didn't read and have no intention of reading the thread about the horse I can imagine the life he (or she) had. Left in a field neglected until he starved to death. Then a bunch of scumbags found the body and thought it would be hilarious to set it on fire.

It goes without saying that a homeless man being murdered is a tragedy. I don't know the specific details about it because I'd prefer not to read that thread either.

I'm not going to sit around thinking about which I care about the most because they're both incredibly sad.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Balaclava1991 wrote: »

A few less children will suffer and die if you do something.
If you do absolutely nothing then you will make absolutely no difference.
Suffering and dying has always existed and will always exist.
Striving to change things even in the face of inevitable defeat gives life meaning.
The alternative is black despair.

Id prefer to donate my time to an animal shelter, foster an animal with no home or support animal charities.

As for the sadistic bastard who set the horse on fire, are you honestly telling me people like them are still worth more than the defenceless animal they killed? Bull****.

HansHolzel

The horse was already dead. Cremation isn't sadism.

shleedance

Can I play devil's advocate here?

As much as people don't like to admit it, humans are part of the animal kingdom too. The most intelligent perhaps, but that does not mean we're any way "different" or "special".

With this logic, animal abuse also includes abuse of humans. To think it's bad to harm a dog yet it's okay to not care about human suffering is quite ironic in this sense, and shows the selfish reasons on why people care about other animals. In other words, you don't really care about animals at all in any genuine manner by excluding humans.

As for other animals, they're not exactly saints for the most part. Humans may have the potential to destroy the world 5 times over, but most animals live by killing, intimidating and harming others, just like humans, even if their capacity to kill isn't nowhere as near. Even the cute, cuddly ones. I wouldn't like to be near an aggressive bear as much as I would not like to be near some knife-bearing lunatic, for example.

But this does not consider people who are genuinely friendly and wouldn't hurt anyone. Is it fair to tar them in the same brush as people who harm each other or animals? In what authority do you have to instantly assume that if they're not you or your friends, they're instantly pricks?

To cut it short: Animal abuse is horrible, and humans are included in this too. It's best to treat humans and other animals like with respect and treat any form of abuse with outrage.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

onlyrocknroll wrote: »

Are people aware that we are talking about an actual specific real homeless man who was murdered?

A lot of these posts saying "because people are scum" (and by extension more deserving of mistreatment) are absolutely disgusting in the context of this thread.

Nobody is saying that man deserved to be burned to death, it's an absolutely awful thing to happen, and it's beyond comprehension than anyone would be capable of doing such a thing to another living person - however, any living creature subjected to that level of torture is vile, and leaving that man that was murdered out of this, as nobody is saying he deserved to be killed, it's a reflection on the kind of society we live in and who we are forced to share oxygen with. You'd be safer living in the wild tbh

Seachmall

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Nobody is saying that man deserved to be burned to death

Given btard wished the extinction of the human race for how it acts I can't see how he's not saying the homeless man deserved it (by nature of being human none-the-less).

You'd be safer living in the wild tbh

Nonsense.

Pretty much every human city, town and village is safer to live in than the wild.

xploderz

LexieOnRale wrote: »

As for the sadistic bastard who set the horse on fire, are you honestly telling me people like them are still worth more than the defenceless animal they killed? Bull****.

That's actually a very good point, would love to see the likes of Balaclava1991 etc make a reasonable argument against it.

Seachmall

xploderz wrote: »

That's actually a very good point, would love to see the likes of Balaclava1991 etc make a reasonable argument against it.

Are you going to craft the strawman or just leave us with the blueprints for one?

xploderz

Seachmall wrote: »

Are you going to craft the strawman or just leave us with the blueprints for one?

Blueprints

I just think it's a good point, anyone arguing that ALL human life should always take priority over an animals. Would they prefer to live in a society with the moron who torched the horse, or the horse itself?

Gatling

OK do people on hers have sex their dogs and horses ,

Unconditional love and undying love surely if you love your pets that much more than fellow humans I'd say more than a few take it to the next level

Da Shins Kelly

I thought it would seem fairly obvious. Animals, like children, are among the most vulnerable in society. They look to us for protection and guidance. A brutal attack on the vulnerable shows a particular kind of depravity.

HansHolzel

Are komodo dragons nicer than people?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Gatling wrote: »

OK do people on hers have sex their dogs and horses ,

Unconditional love and undying love surely if you love your pets that much more than fellow humans I'd say more than a few take it to the next level

I'm sure people love their children even more than they love their pets, maybe some of them are up on their kids too??

What a disgusting asshole comment to make.

Kess73

Mint Aero wrote: »

It reminds of the UL student incident in Limerick few months back.

A person wrote an anonymous letter into the Limerick Leader saying students intentionally killed a dog by making it run into the street after a ball.

Despite no evidence of a dead dog in the area. :rolleyes:
Despite not knowing who wrote the letter. :rolleyes:
No van driver coming forward to verify the incident. :rolleyes:
No witnesses whatsoever. :rolleyes:

Before even knowing if the incident actually happened about 20,000 utter morons on Facebook launched a mob mentality vengeance against all UL students :rolleyes:

Scarleh for y'is

There was a dead dog and the owner of the dog gave an interview to the Limerick Leader newspaper. Also the first letter to the paper was signed and that person came forward.

From what I remember about that incident the only anonymous letter was the one that was supposedly from a student who claimed to be present when the dog was killed, and who was saying that no students were at fault.

Grayson

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Id prefer to donate my time to an animal shelter, foster an animal with no home or support animal charities.

As for the sadistic bastard who set the horse on fire, are you honestly telling me people like them are still worth more than the defenceless animal they killed? Bull****.

The horse was dead when it was set alight. They didn't kill it.

Also, people reform. They change. Bad people become good people when they see the error of their ways. Good people become bad people when **** happens to them.

just google reformed convicts or reformed murderers and you'll find loads of examples.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Grayson wrote: »

The horse was dead when it was set alight. They didn't kill it.

Also, people reform. They change. Bad people become good people when they see the error of their ways. Good people become bad people when **** happens to them.

just google reformed convicts or reformed murderers and you'll find loads of examples.

No, once a bad bastard always a bad bastard.
If you rape someone, go to prison and in 15 years help an old lady cross the road, you're still going to be rotten to the core.

There's a line (murder, rape, paedophelia, and harming innocent animals) that when its crossed, you could become the pope, but you'll always be bad.

Grayson

HansHolzel wrote: »

Are komodo dragons nicer than people?

I love my komodo dragon so much i let it eat the neighbourhood kids.

don't tell the neighbours.

Grayson

LexieOnRale wrote: »

No, once a bad bastard always a bad bastard.
If you rape someone, go to prison and in 15 years help an old lady cross the road, you're still going to be rotten to the core.

There's a line (murder, rape, paedophelia, and harming innocent animals) that when its crossed, you could become the pope, but you'll always be bad.

Someone kills a spider and they're as bad as a rapist and never able to repent?

Then every single person who eats meat is that bad. Fishermen are fcuked.

Gatling

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I'm sure people love their children even more than they love their pets, maybe some of them are up on their kids too??
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So people who love their children are sexually abusing them because they care more for them than a dog or other WOW just WOW

HansHolzel

Grayson wrote: »

I love my komodo dragon so much i let it eat the neighbourhood kids.

don't tell the neighbours.

Did it bite them and let them suffer and weaken for weeks before finally killing and eating them?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Gatling wrote: »

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I'm sure people love their children even more than they love their pets, maybe some of them are up on their kids too??

So people who love their children are sexually abusing them because they care more for them than a dog or other WOW just WOW

So people who love their dogs and cats are sexually abusing them? Wow just WOW

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Grayson wrote: »

Someone kills a spider and they're as bad as a rapist and never able to repent?

Then every single person who eats meat is that bad. Fishermen are fcuked.

Let bad people repent all they like, they are still always going to be bad people.

Would you leave a child in the care of someone who molested a child years previously, but was now "a good person"? I know I wouldn't

UCDVet

If I make a list of the qualities I find positive and a list of the qualities I find negative; generally speaking, animals are 'better people' than most people I know.

HansHolzel

UCDVet wrote: »

If I make a list of the qualities I find positive and a list of the qualities I find negative; generally speaking, animals are 'better people' than most people I know.

Oh the luxury of your list-making.

Domesticated animals are only a narrow part of the animal kingdom.