Farming Chit Chat III

bob charles wrote: »

Thats great to hear, once the dust settles, things will be better in the long run. Were they all U grade calves Reilig?

All but 2 of them would have been. They were twins. I'm about to buy a bull. Was considering a few breeds but now it'll definitely be a ch.

bogman_bass

reilig wrote: »

Sold half of my spring born weanlings yesterday. Heifers are going great. Bulls are back slightly - especially ones for export. However, all in all, bulls with heifers they left about the same as last year. 22 out in total. Some prices:

CH heifer 440kg €990
CH heifer 380kg €910
CH Heifer 300kg €800 (only 190 days old)
BB Heifer 310kg €820

CH Bull 420kg €900
CH Bull 320kg €840
CH Bull 270kg €790 (May Calf)
BB Bull 310kg €850

Very small amount of cattle on offer, but plenty of buyers.

interesting to note that the BB still made the most per kilo despite all the doom and gloom

Out of the Journal piece on 50:50 co funding but regarding IFA CAP meeting in Claremorris, which I attended:

"John Bryan outlined his vision
of a balanced CAP deal
in Claremorris, Co Mayo, to a
hostile. He won them over
that night, explaining that
support for active farmers
meant two pillars working in
harmony."

Horse****. Utter and total.

Midlandsman80

See from data in back of FJ today on mart in tuam and the top three lots on it were BB's and top lot in Pic was 28cent per kg ahead of 4th placed CH, very small group to be any way representative, but presume they pick from a decent amount of cattle for this spread and pics top lots and its hard to ignore that the top 3 lots were BBX, (none of them too extreme either)...I can see them falling back close in line with CH..

Muckit

I know from reading articles written on cattle aales that I've been at, that paper never refuses ink. It's all down to who's reporting, their biases and what angle they want to protray.

Midlandsman80 wrote: »

I can see them falling back close in line with CH..

From my own point of view, BB's fell back in line with CH about 3 years ago. If you had a good quality CH Bull calf, he has been worth as much as a BB for that length of time. At this stage, the CH is probably more valuable - only exceptional BB calves beat a CH now.

From my point of view, the advantages to the BB were:
1. Easy calving - less assisted calvings with BB than CH. BB won't usually form double muscke until a few months old.
2. Ideal for crossing with black LimX cows. These cows tend to have more milk than a yellow or red cow. A Ch on one of these black cows would bring a gray coloured calf. A Bb will bring a black and white calf.
3. Hardier. BB will be up and sucking quicker than a big soft CH.
4. BB's convert creep meal to kg's better than CH. ie. More return for money invested in meal.

If we could get the same €/kg for BB as CH these days, i'd be happy enough!

onyerbikepat

reilig wrote: »

3. Hardier. BB will be up and sucking quicker than a big soft CH.

I find the BB are not as hardy later in life though. Always the first to get snotty noses when the weather gets bad. Have always found them to be easy calving, in fairness. I dont think i'll use BB straws again. For the cows I have, I think a good Lim or easy calving charolais is a better bet.

Kovu

Nice weather forecast in the FJ

onyerbikepat wrote: »

I find the BB are not as hardy later in life though. Always the first to get snotty noses when the weather gets bad. Have always found them to be easy calving, in fairness. I dont think i'll use BB straws again. For the cows I have, I think a good Lim or easy calving charolais is a better bet.

You see, up till now, that has not been my problem. I calve them in February and March and get rid of them in October/November. I have had very few health issues with them. Once I have a market for them, i'm happy. We will have to see what next year brings!

If you have a muscley Ch bull, he could get snotty too with bad weather. It must be the muscle that causes it.

You are right though - you have to breed to your cows strengths. My CHX, LMX and BBX cows are all put in calf to the CH stock bull. Only the black cows get BB. Maybe it's a blessing in disguise, but this year i had trouble picking them out and several of the black cows went to a LIm stock bull. I'll have no more than 5 Bb's on the ground next year!

Sharpshooter82

reilig wrote: »

Huge demand for heifers. Plenty of farmers buying them and not afraid to dig deep to buy something that takes their fancy.

Noticed that today in Delvin mart, threw my eye on it there earlier. AA and HE are well up from sept when I last sold

TITANIUM.

reilig wrote: »

4. BB's convert creep meal to kg's better than CH. ie. More return for money invested in meal.

Id have to disagree with you there.
No doubt you'll quote some trial done somewhere to prove me wrong.
But I can't go along with that.

jomoloney

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Id have to disagree with you there.
No doubt you'll quote some trial done somewhere to prove me wrong.
But I can't go along with that.

we gave up commercial suckling about 7 years about

done a fair bit of showing and show sales

the bb were winning the rosettes but when the books were balanced it was the limousin that were leaving the most profit

if looking for milk in lmx dam go for one that's white around the udder abeit red or black

Midlandsman80

When sending animals to the factory when do ye stop feeding meal?

dharn

5 minutes before ,to help gathering / loading

ABlur

Kovu Murr wrote: »

Nice weather forecast in the FJ

I'm hoping for at least three weeks of this weather for my cattle outwintering experiment!

dharn

Ya moving through a field with about 10 inchesgof grass ,it got ahead of me in the last month, moving fence a few times a day, high dry field ,it could last another 3 weeks, could not believe how nice today was cattle so happy

is today nearly over:mad:

Viewtodiefor

Can u spread lime now? Any stupid deadlines for it?

Viewtodiefor

whelan1 wrote: »

is today nearly over:mad:

Once u put ur head under the covers Whelan !

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

Once u put ur head under the covers Whelan !

can i do that now please

bbam

whelan1 wrote: »

can i do that now please

What !!
And no wine ??

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Id have to disagree with you there.
No doubt you'll quote some trial done somewhere to prove me wrong.
But I can't go along with that.

Each to their own experience I suppose. It's just what I find with my own cattle. Different breeding / feeding / farming produces different results

whelan1 wrote: »

is today nearly over:mad:

4 hours 24 minutes left, but we can close today early if it suits?

bbam wrote: »

What !!
And no wine ??

ah just one of those days:mad: from start to finish and it aint over yet

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

4 hours 24 minutes left, but we can close today early if it suits?

no still have to do the words with youngest lad- fecking hate doing words

bob charles

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

4 hours 24 minutes left, but we can close today early if it suits?

enjoy today, tomorrow might be worse:D:D

whelan1 wrote: »

no still have to do the words with youngest lad- fecking hate doing words

Tessellate is a stupid word

bob charles wrote: »

enjoy today, tomorrow might be worse:D:D

The light at the end of the tunnel is the on coming train eh Bob

bob charles

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

The light at the end of the tunnel is the on coming train eh Bob

sure feels like it this week, better get out of the way as I dont want to damage it