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Hi Had a letter from Social Protection inviting me to participate on a TUS Programme. I have done an internet search and there seems to be very little "chatter" about it from people who have been on it, does anyone have any experience of it? I know how much it pays and a broad idea of what type of jobs etc, but would like some first hand experience from people in the know. Sounds a bit like a CE Scheme.

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Madman2

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Their getting rid of these too , i was on one of these and had recently to change to the post office arrangement also, saying they were fazing out all direct bank payments.

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CarrieLee wrote: »

Does anyone know if once the Tus placement is up and I go sign on if my social welfare payment will be paid via the same method as before i.e. into my bank account.

I've heard something about new claims no longer being paid into bank accounts; been told that you now have to go to the post offices every week to collect money. Anyone have info on this?

Unfortunately, that's true.

Once upon a time I used to get paid directly into my bank account as I do now, since I'm on a TUS programme. However, prior to my joining TUS, the social welfare changed my payment method, from into my bank account to having to sign on at the Post Office every week.

It was decided it was a better way of stopping fraudulent claims by people living overseas and only flying back to Ireland once every 3 months to sign on at their local dole office.

It's not too bad though. Although you are allocated a specific day on which to go and collect your dole money from the Post Office, in fact the PO holds your money for 3 days. If, by the end of the day 3, you haven't claimed your money then your payment is returned to the social welfare.

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Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Not true!

Last year I did JobBridge, finished in Nov 2012 and signed on. again. Mind you, I was initially furious when I got the letter to attend for a TUS interview. I felt I'd "served my time" and because they now "had me on the list" that I was targeted for TUS.

Regardless, it all worked out really well - I love my TUS job and when I finish next Sept, I will be eligible for JobBridge again (you have to wait 2 years before you can complete another JobBridge role, it's a 3 year wait to go on another TUS programme). I'm hoping I will be able to sign up for JobBridge, doing my current community work but getting paid 50 euro a week instead of the 20 euro I'm currently getting. The chances of my getting a real job are seriously limited since I am mature and I live is a rural village and have to rely on public transport.

Anyway, my point is, I was signing on from Nov 2012 until Sept 2013, when I started my TUS job.

CarrieLee

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Unfortunately, that's true.

Once upon a time I used to get paid directly into my bank account as I do now, since I'm on a TUS programme. However, prior to my joining TUS, the social welfare changed my payment method, from into my bank account to having to sign on at the Post Office every week.

It was decided it was a better way of stopping fraudulent claims by people living overseas and only flying back to Ireland once every 3 months to sign on at their local dole office.

It's not too bad though. Although you are allocated a specific day on which to go and collect your dole money from the Post Office, in fact the PO holds your money for 3 days. If, by the end of the day 3, you haven't claimed your money then your payment is returned to the social welfare.

Thanks for the info. I never had any contact about changing to a post office payment when I was on welfare, which is why I'm so clueless about this whole thing. I always got paid into my bank account. However, I was just reading an article which stated that the Government is thinking of introducing ePayments as a method of Social Welfare payments, so maybe they are doing an about turn on this. Who knows.

My problem isn't being in the same place every week to have to collect money - it's dealing with the inevitable twenty questions from the nosy postmistress! Live in a rural area where everyone wants to know your business etc.

gamer_Niall

Hello,
I got a letter for this Tus programme and have a meeting with them next week.

I have done some voluntary work in my local community center/sports hall and was wondering if I told them about this would they put me on work placement there?

Also wondering is it the social welfare that pays you or Tus or the Jon they send you on.

Thanks

MouseTail

gamer_Niall wrote: »

Hello,
I got a letter for this Tus programme and have a meeting with them next week.

I have done some voluntary work in my local community center/sports hall and was wondering if I told them about this would they put me on work placement there?

Thanks

Definitely tell the Placement Officer about this, they will then conact the Centre and ask them to participate.

Hawksticks

CarrieLee
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I wasn't told anything about being offered a course to do along with the Tus placement. Do you have any more info on this?

Is this another new thing they've brought in?[/B]

They just said that i could do a course if i wanted to near the end of my placement, and they would pay for it. Sounded like i did'nt have to take them up on it do.

jos22

do you ever get the full 208 euro payment, seem to get 198.40 every week instead

jos22

gamer_Niall wrote: »

Hello,
I got a letter for this Tus programme and have a meeting with them next week.

I have done some voluntary work in my local community center/sports hall and was wondering if I told them about this would they put me on work placement there?

Also wondering is it the social welfare that pays you or Tus or the Jon they send you on.

Thanks

My tus supervisor told me if i knew any place that could offer me work in what would suit me, get them to contact him and he get the paper work sorted so I could do my 12 month with them, once they meet the TUS criteria they be no issues.

as far as payment the place that runs the scheme in your area will pay you into the bank every week and post out a payslip to you each week too

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jos22 wrote: »

do you ever get the full 208 euro payment, seem to get 198.40 every week instead

It depends on what age you are. Payment on TUS Scheme is an additional 20 euro on top of your standard dole payment. If your standard dole payment is 178.40 a week, then you TUS payment is correct.

[Deleted User]

jos22 wrote: »

do you ever get the full 208 euro payment, seem to get 198.40 every week instead

Just ask your Supervisor. It should say what, if any deductions have been made. It's possible that you may be paying PRSI, Income Tax or Union fee, depending on your circumstances. Your Supervisor will be able to look into it for you.

danjo-xx

jos22 wrote: »

do you ever get the full 208 euro payment, seem to get 198.40 every week instead

This looks very like you are being stopped €9.60 4% USC (198.40+9.60= €208 and looks like Payroll dept is not aware of this exemption, same thing happeneded me, two years in a row...but I got back money when I made then aware of it.

Under 'deductions' on your pay slip is usc €9.60 there or does it say something else.

Income exempt from the USC

You do not pay the Universal Social Charge if your total income for a year is under €10,036. (If you are 70 or over or a medical card holder under 70 and your aggregate income for the year is €60,000 or less you pay a reduced rate of USC.)

All Department of Social Protection payments, including Maternity Benefit and State pensions, are exempt from the Universal Social Charge. Similar payments, such as payments made as part of Community Employment schemes or the Back to Education Allowance, are exempt. Social welfare or similar payments made from abroad are exempt. Student grants and scholarships are also exempt.

jos22

danjo-xx wrote: »

This looks very like you are being stopped €9.60 4% USC (198.40+9.60= €208 and looks like Payroll dept is not aware of this exemption, same thing happeneded me, two years in a row...but I got back money when I made then aware of it.

Under 'deductions' on your pay slip is usc €9.60 there or does it say something else.

just checked my pay slip it has tax 9.60 PRSI 0 USC 0

[Deleted User]

Just reading through the thread, had a letter from the Social telling me ive been accepted for TUS and how i had to accept blah blah.

I sent it back and obviously said yes. That was 6 months ago, heard nothing since. Is this normal? When can i expect my date with doom!

Another thing I was wondering is when TUS finishes. At the moment Long term unemployed get Winter Fuel Allowance, if after 12 months of TUS you have to make a new claim will you be unable to claim Winter Fuel Allowance because you are a new claim?

jos22

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Just reading through the thread, had a letter from the Social telling me ive been accepted for TUS and how i had to accept blah blah.

I sent it back and obviously said yes. That was 6 months ago, heard nothing since. Is this normal? When can i expect my date with doom!

Another thing I was wondering is when TUS finishes. At the moment Long term unemployed get Winter Fuel Allowance, if after 12 months of TUS you have to make a new claim will you be unable to claim Winter Fuel Allowance because you are a new claim?

yes it can be, my TUS supersivor said they call people in as positions come up, one time with them it was 9 months later they called people in for interview

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Deleted User wrote: »

Another thing I was wondering is when TUS finishes. At the moment Long term unemployed get Winter Fuel Allowance, if after 12 months of TUS you have to make a new claim will you be unable to claim Winter Fuel Allowance because you are a new claim?

I'm on TUS at the moment and still get paid my fuel allowance so I don't think it will change because technically, you're not making an absolutely fresh claim, you're just picking up where you left off before you joined TUS

danjo-xx

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Another thing I was wondering is when TUS finishes. At the moment Long term unemployed get Winter Fuel Allowance, if after 12 months of TUS you have to make a new claim will you be unable to claim Winter Fuel Allowance because you are a new claim?

Your claim will be just be re-opened if your circumstances haven't changed for the better and makes you ineligible for jsa.

The rules that apply to Jobseeker’s Allowance also apply to the Tús payment. In order to avoid any possible overpayments, if there is any change in your circumstances, you should inform your local development company or Údarás na Gaeltachta and your local social welfare office.

One example of a change in your circumstances would be if your dependant got a job. Their income would be assessed as means and your Tús payment might be reduced. It cannot be reduced below the minimum rate of €208.

Existing participants who started a Tús scheme before 17 September 2012 will continue to get their existing payment.
Participants will retain any extra benefits and the medical card provided they are still eligible.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/unemployment_and_redundancy/employment_support_schemes/tus.html

edit: thought the bit in bold in my post said Exiting Participants, anyway tus scheme is identical to ce scheme, and under ce a participant who was on jsa before starting ce and when finished returns to jsa then their claim is re-opened if their circumstances haven't changed. So its not a new claim in most cases.

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dubscribe wrote: »

I'm on TUS at the moment and still get paid my fuel allowance so I don't think it will change because technically, you're not making an absolutely fresh claim, you're just picking up where you left off before you joined TUS

I was on a FAS CE scheme and was claiming for my 18 year old son. I finished in March and wasn't allowed claim for him for 6 months after leaving scheme, because it was classed as a new claim! I'd been claiming for him all the time I was on the scheme. Nothing had changed, only he'd turned 18 and I finished on scheme.

danjo-xx

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I was on a FAS CE scheme and was claiming for my 18 year old son. I finished in March and wasn't allowed claim for him for 6 months after leaving scheme, because it was classed as a new claim! I'd been claiming for him all the time I was on the scheme. Nothing had changed, only he'd turned 18 and I finished on scheme.

When your son was under 18 you were claiming for him as a child dependent...now he's 18, he is an adult dependent....so it is a different situation/change of circumstances.

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Surely if he turned 18 and wasn't in full-time education, then he was expected to sign on in his own right, and you could not claim for him?

[Deleted User]

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Surely if he turned 18 and wasn't in full-time education, then he was expected to sign on in his own right, and you could not claim for him?

He was doing his Leaving Cert. He turned 18, 6 months before I finished on the scheme. He was going on to College in September. I got nothing for him from when I finished in March as it was classed a new claim! I got no hop when I appealed! It's confusing and frustrating.

smiley_face400

jos22 wrote: »

do you ever get the full 208 euro payment, seem to get 198.40 every week instead

This happened to me when I started. It's emergency tax and seems to happen to everyone who starts on Tus. Just ring the tax office and you'll get it all back

StaticJak

I should be starting TUS on Monday the 9th.
Will I be able to collect my normal money from the post office this week and next week before I start?

jos22

StaticJak wrote: »

I should be starting TUS on Monday the 9th.
Will I be able to collect my normal money from the post office this week and next week before I start?

I collected at the post office till the week I started,
the week I started I got Payment from from post office and 1 from tus.

the following week then it was into the bank.

if you ring your local office tho they tell you when your last post office payment is due

StaticJak

jos22 wrote: »

I collected at the post office till the week I started,
the week I started I got Payment from from post office and 1 from tus.

the following week then it was into the bank.

if you ring your local office tho they tell you when your last post office payment is due

So you were paid right up till you started?

Thanks. What about this tax people are mentioning. I was never told anything about it. And will I get stamps after the scheme is over?

jos22

StaticJak wrote: »

So you were paid right up till you started?

Thanks. What about this tax people are mentioning. I was never told anything about it. And will I get stamps after the scheme is over?

my tus supervisor told me to ring the tax office about 2 weeks before starting and tell them I be starting on TUS scheme with them,

I did that but still i getting taxed 9.60 so I asked my supervisor to look in it.

I dont think you get any stamps if your just doing the 19.5 hours week via tus

UrbanFret

jos22 wrote: »

my tus supervisor told me to ring the tax office about 2 weeks before starting and tell them I be starting on TUS scheme with them,

I did that but still i getting taxed 9.60 so I asked my supervisor to look in it.

I dont think you get any stamps if your just doing the 19.5 hours week via tus

Tús
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Community Work Placement

14.
Will, participants have to pay PAYE, Universal Social Charge and PRSI?
An ‘A’ PRSI contribution will be paid in respect of all participants.
All wage payments to participants are assessable for Income Tax (PAYE) purposes.
However, the actual amount payable by an individual will depend on his/her
circumstances.
Participants on Tús will be exempt from paying the Universal Social

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Anyone believe the rubbish being spouted today, employment growing!

Guess they forgot to deduct all the slave labour schemes from the new jobs figures.

jos22

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Anyone believe the rubbish being spouted today, employment growing!

Guess they forgot to deduct all the slave labour schemes from the new jobs figures.

that the point of those schemes, the tax payers stilling paying the 8-20,000 people that are on TUS, CE , job bridge and forget the name of the 4th one, but we not listed as being on the live register,

danjo-xx

jos22 wrote: »

that the point of those schemes, the tax payers stilling paying the 8-20,000 people that are on TUS, CE , job bridge and forget the name of the 4th one, but we not listed as being on the live register,

The government is obligated by the Troika to get people off the 'live register' and onto 'job activation schemes' (in the absence of any real jobs)

A small minority might actually gain a real job from these schemes but you can count them on one hand percentage wise.

I think these scheme are better than lying in bed all week but only if participants are not being exploited and taken advantage of, but unfortunately this seems to be the case generally.

Some supervisors on these schemes whoe's job it is.....is to look after the participants on these schemes (as otherwise without the participants) they would have no job, leave a hell of a lot to be desired and are mainly only interested in their own progression sadly and they are on €700 a week, not just €20+their dole.

the 8-20,000 people that are on TUS, CE , job bridge and forget the name of the 4th one,

There are upwards of 70k on these schemes Gateway is the other one I think you were thinking of.