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Anti rape underwear

MadsL

Ladies of AH, the modern chastity belt.

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ar-wear-confidence-protection-that-can-be-worn

I'm not sure if they will hit their funding goal, but this is a cool idea.

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Daveysil15

Jasus I've seen it all now. Women would be better off learning self defence.

Frosty McSnowballs

Someone needs to invent a "temporary vagina glue".

Like an expanding foam / polyfiller type thing. Just a swift and easy application that will last for 12 hours.

Tribb

Catari Jaguar wrote: »

Wow, is this for real?? Ladies, take responsbility of your rapibility. Don't dare leave that house with your vagina unprotected, you are just asking to be raped.

How about... maybe, just don't rape? Stop raping!!

Good one, im sure all the rapists will be convinced by " just don't rape".

bigron2109

Think its a Pretty cool idea but i showed it to the woman and she said she wouldn't wear it.

[Deleted User]

eviltwin wrote: »

There must be some kind of hidden device that allows the user to release them easily enough otherwise I can't see why anyone would buy them. And if there is its going to be easy enough for a rapist to google it and find out what he needs to do to remove them.

There are two tabs on the lock that you put in a particular position, with there being over a hundred possible combinations that are randomly assigned to each pair.

eviltwin

true-or-false wrote: »

There are two tabs on the lock that you put in a particular position, with there being over a hundred possible combinations that are randomly assigned to each pair.

Oh jesus, no I couldn't be bothered with all that palaver for a pair of knickers. I'll take my chances.

gctest50

Daveysil15 wrote: »

Jasus I've seen it all now. Women would be better off learning self defence.

Wont get the chance sometimes

RDM_83 again

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Particularly in countries like the Congo and Somalia where women are barely recognised as human as it is. It's a stupid, irresponsible idea and would get a woman/girl killed.

I didn't realise the problem with rape in those countries was directly due to the status of woman?
Is it not more to do with the general lack of recognition of "the other" as barely human
e.g if a guy is willing to rape a woman but he's also willing to chop limbs and torture a man its pretty safe to say that they have a pretty fcuked up level of humanity rather than just coming from a sexist society.

And men are raped a lot in those countries not doing the whataboutery thing but more taking exception at the idea that the problem is directly related to female status (word female being used to describe woman and girls!)
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/jul/17/the-rape-of-men

xxmeabhxx

I'm sure the people who made this had good intentions but it's just such a ridiculous idea!

There must be an easy enough way for the woman wearing them to get them off which means a rapist could figure out to get them off in advance of the attack. They're not indestructible. Also, I do think they there should be less of a focus on what potential victims can do to not get raped as opposed to potential perpetrators not raping. It shouldn't be up to the potential victims to take precautions when going out to a party or club or to not wear revealing clothing. People should be able to wear what they want and go where they want and not get the blame if something happens them.

I also think most of the population of Ireland would benefit from reading the facts and information about sexual assault and rape on the drcc.ie website. It clears up common myths about rape using facts, figures and experience.

Femme_Fatale

RDM_83 again wrote: »

I didn't realise the problem with rape in those countries was directly due to the status of woman?

I didn't mean that - although there's surely a link. Just that women are powerless enough as it is, so trying to stand up for themselves in this way will just land them in more trouble.

eviltwin

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I didn't mean that - although there's surely a link. Just that women are powerless enough as it is, so trying to stand up for themselves in this way will just land them in more trouble.

So they should just let themselves be raped?

Femme_Fatale

eviltwin wrote: »

So they should just let themselves be raped?

Is not using one of these things "letting oneself be raped"?

eviltwin

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Is not using one of these things "letting oneself be raped"?

Look back at your posts. "standing up for themselves will land them in more trouble" What kind of message does that send out?

RDM_83 again

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I didn't mean that - although there's surely a link. Just that women are powerless enough as it is, so trying to stand up for themselves in this way will just land them in more trouble.

Oh I agree that woman being viewed as 2nd class citizens probably does increase the rates of rape but the situation in those countries is so fcuked up on a completely different level to something like the situation in India/The Middle East.

There is one situation where this could potentially useful and that if somebody was at a high risk of being drugged/spiked (and even then its a massive over reaction)

[Deleted User]

xxmeabhxx wrote: »

I'm sure the people who made this had good intentions but it's just such a ridiculous idea!

There must be an easy enough way for the woman wearing them to get them off which means a rapist could figure out to get them off in advance of the attack. They're not indestructible. Also, I do think they there should be less of a focus on what potential victims can do to not get raped as opposed to potential perpetrators not raping. It shouldn't be up to the potential victims to take precautions when going out to a party or club or to not wear revealing clothing. People should be able to wear what they want and go where they want and not get the blame if something happens them.

There's a combination lock of two tabs with over a hundred possible combinations, so the rapist wouldn't be able to figure it out in advance.

No one is saying that women who don't wear these are at fault if they're raped. Wearing anti-rape underwear doesn't make a woman indestructible, but it gives an extra layer of protection for women that feel vulnerable. If a woman who feels very vulnerable to rape, be it due to previous experience of rape, or the situation she is in, or just an inexplicable phobia, gets to feel a little bit better or more confident by wearing them, then I don't see anything wrong with it.

I don't think they're trying to make any sort of sweeping statement with them, like that men don't get raped, or that it's a woman's responsibility to not get raped. It's just a pair of underwear that might make a woman feel safer.

Femme_Fatale

eviltwin wrote: »

Look back at your posts. "standing up for themselves will land them in more trouble" What kind of message does that send out?

Not intended by me. Obviously if someone is raped they're going to try and fight back, and obviously they're not doing anything wrong by doing this.
But pre-meditatively wearing a device that will injure the rapist - and I'm only talking about this specifically, even though the expression "standing up for themselves" seems more general (wrong choice of words by me) - would be seriously dangerous in some societies.

Pushtrak

xxmeabhxx wrote: »

Also, I do think they there should be less of a focus on what potential victims can do to not get raped as opposed to potential perpetrators not raping.

Could you elaborate on this? Focus by whom, on what? Are you talking about courts? Everyone? There is an advertising campaign "don't teach women not to get raped, teach men not to rape". Ignoring for a moment that rape happens both genders, what teaching can be done to people not to rape that is not currently being done?

It seems to me there are two aspects here. Rapists facing the full extent of the law, and people doing something to minimize their risk. The first part is a given. The second part is a lot harder. I mean, what exactly is minimizing risk in the context of this discussion? It should be an easy thing to see that trying to reduce risk would be a good thing, but one persons thinking of risk management is another persons not going far enough, or another person would say it is going too far.

My name is URL

Nice bit of subtle auld racism in the ad too.

http://i.imgur.com/kOk1Vy9.jpg

clairefontaine

MonkstownHoop wrote: »

if i found out a woman i was on a first date with wore anti rape underwear it'd be the last she'd see of me, has it come to the stage where every man is considered a potential rapist

That's like saying someone carrying a gun sees every person as a potential threat to personal safety or that airport security sees everyone as a potential terrorist.

My name is URL

clairefontaine wrote: »

That's like saying someone carrying a gun sees every person as a potential threat to personal safety or that airport security sees everyone as a potential terrorist.

So... pretty much spot on, then

[Deleted User]

My name is URL wrote: »

Nice bit of subtle auld racism in the ad too.

http://i.imgur.com/kOk1Vy9.jpg

Yeah because that's not reaching at all.

God, everyone seems intent to find as many chances to imply malice as they can. Sometimes you go out dressed to impress, and sometimes that involves not wearing very much, and sometimes when you get attention from somewhere unwanted (an oul man on the street watching your ass as you walk past) it makes you feel uncomfortable. That's as much of a point as they were making from what I can see.

Rayne Wooney

What we need is "not a rapist" ID, where men can apply to the Garda for it and all women must ask to see it before they know you're not a rapist

Amirani

My name is URL wrote: »

Nice bit of subtle auld racism in the ad too.

http://i.imgur.com/kOk1Vy9.jpg

I think you're displaying some personal prejudice there by suggesting that's racist. It wouldn't be racist if it was a white guy I assume?

My name is URL

NiallSparky wrote: »

I think you're displaying some personal prejudice there by suggesting that's racist. It wouldn't be racist if it was a white guy I assume?

Assume what you want

CrinkElite

She' get it

ViveLaVie

I think it's a good idea. Studies show resistance reduces the likelihood of a rape without escalating violence... sooo...

Pushtrak

ViveLaVie wrote: »

I think it's a good idea. Studies show resistance reduces the likelihood of a rape without escalating violence... sooo...

What form does that resistance take? For instance, if it is pepper spray, no ****.

xxmeabhxx

Pushtrak wrote: »

Could you elaborate on this? Focus by whom, on what? Are you talking about courts? Everyone? There is an advertising campaign "don't teach women not to get raped, teach men not to rape". Ignoring for a moment that rape happens both genders, what teaching can be done to people not to rape that is not currently being done?

It seems to me there are two aspects here. Rapists facing the full extent of the law, and people doing something to minimize their risk. The first part is a given. The second part is a lot harder. I mean, what exactly is minimizing risk in the context of this discussion? It should be an easy thing to see that trying to reduce risk would be a good thing, but one persons thinking of risk management is another persons not going far enough, or another person would say it is going too far.

What I'm talking about is the courts but also society in general. There have been cases of judges handing out petty sentences to rapists such as a fine only rather than jail time. Rapists should always face harsh sentences, I can't think of any reason why a convicted rapist should not be given jail time.

The campaign you mention is on the right track (apart from the implication that only women get raped) but these messages haven't reached everyone. Remember the Steubenville case? Two young males were convicted of raping a female class mates and a tonne of people slut shamed the victim because she was drunk at the time and technically didn't say no therefore implying she didn't really get raped. Also, the "she was asking for it" excuse is still thrown around which not only places the blame with the victim but also implies the primary reason perpetrators commit rape is for sexual pleasure when it's really about power and control a lot of the time.

I wouldn't bet my life that the majority of Irish people know that rape is usually about someone wanting to overpower and control someone rather than sexual gratification so I think there does need to be more campaigns which debunk myths and teach people from a young age the facts about rape and sexual violence.

Edit:
true-or-false:
I didn't realise there was a combination lock, I guess that would stop people from learning in advance how to remove them. Also, I guess I agree that they would make people who have been victims in the past feel safer. Like I said, I'm sure the intentions were all well and good but it can be seen as an item which places responsibility with possible victims as opposed to the perpetrator.

Crooked Jack

true-or-false wrote: »

Yeah because that's not reaching at all.

God, everyone seems intent to find as many chances to imply malice as they can. Sometimes you go out dressed to impress, and sometimes that involves not wearing very much, and sometimes when you get attention from somewhere unwanted (an oul man on the street watching your ass as you walk past) it makes you feel uncomfortable. That's as much of a point as they were making from what I can see.

to be honest that sounds like a completely different issue youre raising there. if youre going to go out wearing next to nothing in order, as you say, to "impress" then youre pretty much going to have to accept that attention from wherever it comes. that, however, is a totally different subject from the one being discussed here, which is sexual assault/rape

donutheadhomer

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Someone needs to invent a "temporary vagina glue".

Like an expanding foam / polyfiller type thing. Just a swift and easy application that will last for 12 hours.

some lads can keep it up for longer than that