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Genetic diversity

leonidas83

Isn't genetic diversity generally considered a good thing? The Irish are a pretty hearty lot because, over the last few centuries, they tended to screw anything that moved. Otherwise I think you just end up with a lot of genetic in-breeding, like a race of French poodles.

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Galwayguy35

donegal__road wrote: »

I just heard a few days ago, that 70% of school children in London are non-white..

And your point is?

_Redzer_

TeddyTedson wrote: »

I have ancestors from Oz and the UK. I thought great, I'm not the result of years of inbreeding. Then my family decided to look as far into the family tree as they could. Both sides were traced back to the west of Ireland. Talk about bad luck. :mad:

Ah sure don't feel too bad. Every human on earth is 99.9% identical, with the remaining 0.1% percent accounting for only about a 3 million individual differentiation between the rest of our billions of shared genes. Genetically we're all pretty much the same as a species.

General General

Poodles, I was surprised to find out, are actually very intelligent.

Nodin

General General wrote: »

Poodles, I was surprised to find out, are actually very intelligent.

....you reckon we should breed with them?

Legs.Eleven

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The Irish and British look very similar and until they start to talk you wouldn't know the difference, it's easier to tell if someone is from Eastern Europe, although they are white they look a bit different.

I could easily spot an Irish person without talking to them. Hard to put words to as the difference is very subtle but the Irish often (not always, of course) have a look that distinguishes us from other nations - a certain complexion and features you only really find here. Spotted an Irish fella today at work without even talking to him, in fact (and I don't live in Ireland). That happens all the time.

johnr1

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The Irish and British look very similar and until they start to talk you wouldn't know the difference, it's easier to tell if someone is from Eastern Europe, although they are white they look a bit different.

Id disagree with this strongly. There is a common Irish "look" which English dont seem to have in as much abundance. Also, take a look at an English rugby team, -and I use this example as they would largely come from a background without any irish heritage, and youll see faces which you would never see in a Galway jersey or a Clare one.

I see a difference in the faces from home,- Kerry, and the faces I see in Armagh for example. My ex from there also noticed it when she came to Kerry.

Some dentists from the USA told me of the phenomenon of "Big German teeth in a small Irish jawbone" something they see all the time apparently.

I think lack of or abundance of genetic diversity produces new "looks" within ten or so generations. Think of the part African American part Hispanic look which is now common in the melting pot of the US.
People in the West of Ireland would have had little "foreign" influence in their genetic makeup over the last few hundred years, and as such it isn't surprising that they would look quite different to say French.

Galwayguy35

johnr1 wrote: »

Id disagree with this strongly. There is a common Irish "look" which English dont seem to have in as much abundance. Also, take a look at an English rugby team, -and I use this example as they would largely come from a background without any irish heritage, and youll see faces which you would never see in a Galway jersey or a Clare one.

I see a difference in the faces from home,- Kerry, and the faces I see in Armagh for example. My ex from there also noticed it when she came to Kerry.

Some dentists from the USA told me of the phenomenon of "Big German teeth in a small Irish jawbone" something they see all the time apparently.

I think lack of or abundance of genetic diversity produces new "looks" within ten or so generations. Think of the part African American part Hispanic look which is now common in the melting pot of the US.
People in the West of Ireland would have had little "foreign" influence in their genetic makeup over the last few hundred years, and as such it isn't surprising that they would look quite different to say French.

Not seeing it myself, take for example Owen Farrell and Brian O Driscoll, are you saying you could tell which of them are Irish and English if you didn't know?

MadsL

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The Irish and British look very similar and until they start to talk you wouldn't know the difference, it's easier to tell if someone is from Eastern Europe, although they are white they look a bit different.

Dem cheekbones...

johnr1 wrote: »

Id disagree with this strongly. There is a common Irish "look" which English dont seem to have in as much abundance.

Square heads?

Ilyana 2.0

I think there are many Irish people who look very similar to each other. There's one girl I know who I think I see everywhere because her look is very typical for Irish women. Not exactly empirical evidence but anyway :pac:

On the other hand, my sister and I have been told that we don't look particularly Irish, and we have one non-Irish parent.

donegal__road

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

And your point is?

I know what you meant when you referred to English people looking like Irish people, my post was more of a comment on what does a British person actually look like?
Very soon Britain's ethnic majority will not be white Caucasian.

Galwayguy35

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I could easily spot an Irish person without talking to them. Hard to put words to as the difference is very subtle but the Irish often (not always, of course) have a look that distinguishes us from other nations - a certain complexion and features you only really find here. Spotted an Irish fella today at work without even talking to him, in fact (and I don't live in Ireland). That happens all the time.

But are the Irish not decended from the original peoples who lived in Britain who crossed over?

Would that not make us the same race of people?

Galwayguy35

MadsL wrote: »

Dem cheekbones.

As always a sterling contribution to the thread.

Nodin

donegal__road wrote: »

I know what you meant when you said English person looking like an Irish person, my post was more of a comment on what does a British person actually look like?
Very soon Britain's ethnic majority will not be white Caucasian.

Define "very soon".

seenitall

Ush1 wrote: »

Believe Croatia is the most homogeneous country in Europe

Er, no.

Starscream25

I'm half irish half Maltese and willing to spread my seed to any willing women.

donegal__road

Nodin wrote: »

Define "very soon".

at a guess, 30/40 years

Ush1

seenitall wrote: »

Er, no.

No to what?

Ush1

seenitall wrote: »

Er, no.

No to what?

seenitall

It isn't the most homogenous country in Europe. By a mile.

Nodin

donegal__road wrote: »

at a guess, 30/40 years

....I doubt it.

Ush1

seenitall wrote: »

It isn't the most homogenous country in Europe. By a mile.

Where is and where does Croatia rank? If you had a citation that would be good.

TeddyTedson

_Redzer_ wrote: »

Ah sure don't feel too bad. Every human on earth is 99.9% identical, with the remaining 0.1% percent accounting for only about a 3 million individual differentiation between the rest of our billions of shared genes. Genetically we're all pretty much the same as a species.

That's good news for me, not that I intend on passing my genes on anytime in the next decade if at all :P

TeddyTedson

Nodin wrote: »

....you reckon we should breed with them?

Lol, definitely after seeing this cute bunch

donegal__road

Nodin wrote: »

....I doubt it.

fair enough.

seenitall

Ush1 wrote: »

Where is and where does Croatia rank? If you had a citation that would be good.

Sorry, can't be bothered atm. You are the one who made the original assertion, so you back yours up by a citation?

Legs.Eleven

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

But are the Irish not decended from the original peoples who lived in Britain who crossed over?

Would that not make us the same race of people?

Would we have the exact same genetic mix as the British though? I'm not an expert but I don't think so.

I could more than likely spot an Irish person in a lineup and I doubt I'm the only one.

[Deleted User]

I know someone who's father was black Caribbean and his mother was Irish of the fair/redhead head variety, and looking at him you would think he was Ethiopian or Somali.

Ush1

seenitall wrote: »

Sorry, can't be bothered atm. You are the one who made the original assertion, so you back yours up by a citation?

Read what I said, "believe" as in I believe. The citation is spending time in the country and being told by many Croats it was the case as many around the world believe their women to be the most beautiful.

Now, you proactively and decisively said I was incorrect and in fact way off, please elaborate.

LordSutch

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

We live on an island, a whole ton of interbreeding went on here in the past. Indeed, some scientists believe it's where red hair comes from. And Ireland is way ahead of the world average on red hair....a court social worker once told me that the North West of Ireland has the highest cases of insestual rape in Europe per head of population.

I thought Portugal followed by Scotland had the highest percentage of red haired folk, with Ireland 3rd.

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

Ireland's native pop doesn't have much genetic diversity at all at all.

Apart from English, Scottish, Scandinavian, Spanish & iberian genetic input that is . . .

Friend Computer

donegal__road wrote: »

I know what you meant when you referred to English people looking like Irish people, my post was more of a comment on what does a British person actually look like?
Very soon Britain's ethnic majority will not be white Caucasian.

And? What has that got to do with the thread?