andrewdeerpark wrote: » Pensioners loosing the phone allowance is pretty irrelevant as is scrapping the death allowance (I did not know one existed). Expect the usual moaners and whingers on Joe Duffy tomorrow while the hard pressed working and middle class is out earning a crust.
Freddy Smelly wrote: » not a good idea in the long run... with pension schemes being raped constantly by the government some people prefered to save money for their old age. the rest of us have not enough to save anyways nor do we have enough to spend of frivalous things just waiting for noonan to bring in manditory suicide for 65 and older next
Foxtrol wrote: » So take from the person who actually is in negative equity on a low wage so you can give to the well off pensioner that 'might' be helping their children with their financial issues.
andrewdeerpark wrote: » Good to cut the dole on the 18-25 group should discourage it as a way of life.
andrewdeerpark wrote: » Not the worst budget Income Tax and PRSI left alone so no more TAX on wage earners. Good to cut the dole on the 18-25 group should discourage it as a way of life. Pensioners loosing the phone allowance is pretty irrelevant as is scrapping the death allowance (I did not know one existed). Expect the usual moaners and whingers on Joe Duffy tomorrow while the hard pressed working and middle class is out earning a crust.
bleg wrote: » If you want to discourage the dole as a way of life I would argue the best way is to reduce the amount you get the longer you stay on it... not increase it.
andrewdeerpark wrote: » It should be just a start. I would agree that long term unemployed individuals who do no co-operate with welfare and FAS or engage in criminality should have payments reduced and eventually stopped altogether. Some social floors need to be removed after persistent non compliance or no effort to contribute to society.
Agricola wrote: » So in a nutshell your saying it wasnt the worst budget because issues which affect you have not worsened from your perspective, and issues which affect pensioners and those suddenly bereaved..... well you couldnt give a flying fúck so, yeah, all in all a good days work! Oh I forgot, you managed to get in a bit of dole bashing as well! Ireland's undisputed voice of reason indeed! :rolleyes:
dark crystal wrote: » Pensioners have been largely cocooned from the cuts the rest of us have had to take over the last few budgets. Low and middle income earners and families with children shouldn't be the only ones constantly taking the hit, when they have more outgoings than the average pensioner. How many pensioners have to pay mortgages, college, school and creche fees, income tax, USC and large food bills? The state pension hasn't been hit, they get free travel, tv licences and medical cards, as well as the household benefits package. All that happened in this budget was that the free line rental was cut and wealthier pensioners over 70 get free GP visits instead of the full medical card. I don't think that's unfair at all tbh.
tayto lover wrote: » No they should be allowed to see out their final years in peace. They have paid already. Realistic is in the eye of the beholder. All this is to pay for the sins of rich bondholders anyway. Friends of the Govt.
Ace2007 wrote: » The principle is good, but the idea that it's all pensioners in the one boat is unfair. You have wealthy pensioners and poor ones, why not do a means test for them? There are old folk in this country that are living on 200 or less a week who may have little savings. Then compare that with someone with 3/4 houses rented out and getting 1k a week in pension. Are you saying it's then fair that those 2 are treated the same? It's just like child benefit - no matter how rich you are you "child gets it".
Ace2007 wrote: » add 1c tax to text messages would bring in over 100million if my sums where right. (based on 3,049,241,000 texts me sent over a 3 month period in 2012
Hulk Hands wrote: » What's really annoying is people in media (and politicians) keep repeating the line 'it's the same sectors of society who have been hit once again', while the rest of the population and people whinging say the same. This year the jobseekers and pensioners seem to have been screwed, along with those higher earners who can afford medical insurance and the savers who've had Dirt taxed. Every year bar this one the middle income workers have been hit with PAYE and USC. The pension levy has been increased for another year, while the child allowance is down again. Who exactly are these specific set of people being targeted or do they just mean the Irish population in general and expect us not to understand?
bleg wrote: » But somebody who loses their job at the age of 24 (who may be completely cooperative with welfare policies) gets less than somebody 2 years older on the sole basis of their age.
Eight Ball wrote: » Cruel budget. Attacking those most in need and awarding those within the circle.
tayto lover wrote: » 35,000 pensioners, some with serious illnesses, will lose their medical cards. Just like many special needs children did previously.
Stheno wrote: » I own a house (well I have a mortgage) have no children, pay tax at the higher rate, and the only real impact of the last two budgets including this one for me have been an increase in the price of fags, and the property tax. Could I have afforded more? Yes and I budgeted for more, but it didn't happen
