irishfeen wrote: » Retired public servants who retired with massive pensions?
tayto lover wrote: » Reduction in fuel allowance. Telephone allowance scrapped. Funeral grant scrapped. Property Tax. Water tax soon. Just off the top of my head. There were others in previous budgets too I believe. Must look them up.
tayto lover wrote: » Define massive?
Foxtrol wrote: » I don’t see 1,000 cuts there. I see cuts to two allowances that affect them, one that effects their family and two charges that affect practically the entire population. Any cut to their core pension? How much worse are they now since before the boom (I’ll give you a hint – they’re still doing much better)
Ace2007 wrote: » so everyone who takes in over 500 a week in a pension? Is it only public servants?
irishfeen wrote: » Some recently retired teachers are coming out with about €500 p/w... that's a massive pension.
wolfpawnat wrote: » Most of it was raided. Seriously though, fuel is soaring these days, no one under 500 a week can say they are not worried about heating the house this winter.
tayto lover wrote: » Don't worry Fine Gael will get there in time :rolleyes:
Ace2007 wrote: » Define a rich pensioner?
spank_inferno wrote: » do you have proof? Have there been confiscations in the past where MOST of an existing pensioners retirement fund was taken? Or have you the foggiest what you are on about?
Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: » More exaggeration when faced with facts that discount your opinion
Foxtrol wrote: » Your interest will be taxed, not your savings. This is something that the economy needs, people have gone from one extreme to the other when it comes to spending and it’s better for the economy/job creation point of view if those people who are lucky enough to have disposable income start spending more of it rather than saving it.
tayto lover wrote: » I wonder if they paid into a pension fund? If I paid into one I believe i'd deserve to have it when I retired. I wonder how much it cost them.
irishfeen wrote: » To be honest it seems a very fair budget, I know its hard on older people but the fact is that under FF money/grants were thrown at them for votes... that was unsustainable and we all must take pain.
Foxtrol wrote: » I'd class a pensioner getting 500 a week as rich/wealthy/well-off/not deserving of a free medical card subsidised by some workers making less than them a week.
shamrock55 wrote: » Im sorry but we shouldnt all have to take the pain actually,the older folk in this country have spent their lives paying taxes,only to be ****ed in the arse now, their savings ****ed their pensions ****ed,fuel allowence lowered,funeral grants gone, medical cards taken from those who need it, the only arseholes who need to take the pain are those responsible for throwing money about willy nilly during the ct, the financial wizards who gambled away a countries future,the banking regulators,and the government for bending over backwards for the banks paying the ****ers back with my money without ever asking me:mad:
irishfeen wrote: » At the countries expense?... times have changed, we cannot afford to pay these people... FFS there is thousands of young educated people leaving on planes to get work and the country has a debt of 124% of GDP. We cannot afford to pay them.
Stinicker wrote: » A good budget for the working man, very bad for those on handouts, hopefully it will materialise into jobs. The DIRT hike is a disgrace and will trigger another bank liquidity crisis as billions in deposits will now move offshore when they will be receiving practically no Interest here.
bleg wrote: » Free GP care for all under 5s is a disgrace. Populist move to win votes and not even agreed with the relevant stakeholders. It's going to cost about €37 million apparently... This will probably be covered by the increase in the prescription tax. Since its introduction in 2010 it has been increased from 50c to €2.50. Fine Gael and Labour both had it in their election manifesto to get rid of this tax. Tax the most vulnerable so the middle class voters can bring their little darlings to the GP when they have a sniffle. Hmm. Enda Kenny said that the Seanad referendum was only introduced as he promised it before the election and how great it was that a politician was following through on a promise. How about delivering on some of your other promises. Anyway hopefully the IMO and ICGP will call a halt to this cynical and populist move.
Ace2007 wrote: » would you say anyone earning over 500 a week should therefore not be given any hand outs either - so no free GP for you children under 5, or are you then going to change the goal posts?
irishfeen wrote: » Being realistic as to the situation we find ourselves in...Who do you want to pay for the public sector, social welfare, state pensions, grants, free education etc? .... do you want the working man to pay even more?, the droves of educated people leaving on the plane?... who? We have to do this, we have no choice.
irishfeen wrote: » Don't really agree, how is it a bad thing that newborns have free GP care no matter what family he/she is born into?
tayto lover wrote: » So someone who never contributed to the economy can get 230 per week and perks. Someone who contributed to the economy over many years and who gets 500 p/w should get nothing more in your opinion? So let's see. The advantage of working all those years and paying into a pension fund makes a difference of say 220 per week. Had they remained on the dole they might have been better off and if they don';t live too long after retirement then the state is a winner.
