MBSnr wrote: » But if they don't have house numbers, like most of rural Ireland? How does your system work? We don't all live in cities. I can rem some 7 digit postcodes for the UK for family members. Why is it that this thread has people complaining about having to rem. these codes and the extra hassle that they'll bring....? Do you know every single phone number off by heart or do you occasionally have to look one up in your phone to pass on to someone? Same difference surely? I mean how many letters are you writing a day? Really why is it seen as hassle even though it a positive sensible thing they have done?
aimhigh wrote: » Sorry for stopping your speculative fun but this has been gone through so many times here and other forums ad infinitum. There are well documented facts to work from! There is a tender process running since Jan 2011. That process is to select a Postacode Management Licenese Holder - i.e someone to implement the postcode and manage it for 10 years! The postcode specified for implementation is that as contained in the recommendations of the National Post Code Board in their report of 2006;- they recommended ABC 123 and this is specifically mentioned in the tender document! The tender process has not met its deadlines - award of the contract is now 25 months beyond deadline but 3 potential suppliers to implement the ABC 123 postcode have been selected and the process has not been terminated. An Post is one of the preferred suppliers. The Minister frequently refers to the "ongoing" tender in his Dail statements and uses it as a reason why he cannot discuss the details of what exactly is happening. That all being the case then, only ABC 123 is on the table and all other options were discarded in the 2006 report as a result of the Data Commissioner's judgement. It was suggested recently that the same Data Commissioner has not since changed his judgement. So nothing to speculate about really except when it might possibly happen! It's all in the public domain and here on the Dept Of Communications website if you want to read it:http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Communications/Postal/Postcodes.htm To change any of the above and consider any other options, the following would have to happen: 1. Cancel the tender currennt process (not without issues!) 2. Establish an independent National Address Agency which will take responsibility for specifications and controlling address creation, structure and maintenance in Ireland henceforth, with public safety as a major consideration. 3. Revisit the 2006 report and reconsider all the other options and make a new final report 4. Revisit the cost benefit analysis and consider the wider benefits of a postcode including he benefits to public safety! 5. Have the Data Commissioner change his judgment or introduce legislation to remove the problem 6. Change the Postal Act to allow for a precise postcode (currently only allows for a "locality" postcode - and a locality for the recent property tax in the Revenue Commissioners website mapping contained hundreds of properties) 7. Revisit the liberalisation of the postal market and liberalise An Post's Geodirectory as well. Or at least introduce legislation, as is the case for the equivalanet (PAF) in the UK, to ensure that the Geodirectory must be made available to all who want to use it and at a reasonable price. This to ensure that whoever gets the contract has guaranteed access to it without restrictions which may otherwise dictate that only An Post could get the contract! 8. Start a new tender process but not for implementation - to select a postcode design first and then run a seperate process afterwards to select those who will implement it and manage it (independent of An Post) Then all options can be freely and openly considered and the best for the country and all possible users selected! But this has gone on for 10 years now, so if there were to be speculation it might be about how to get the Minister to make up his mind and get on with it!
CrazyRabbit wrote: » The system I suggested doesn't use house numbers. I assume everyone lives on a street with a name though? If not, it would make more sense to give each street a name than to rely on postcodes for this. Any houses should have a house number...even if it's a single house miles from anywhere.
NIMAN wrote: » I currently live in a townland in rural Donegal, without a house number, street or road name, and only moved in 2 years ago and have never had any issue with delayed post or deliveries. When I moved there, I went to the local post office, told them who I was, where I lived and that they'd probably be receiving mail for me, and this is who I am. I started getting mail a few days later, no problems. I like the lack of postcodes, although if I was having a heart attack or stroke, maybe the ambulance getting to me quickly might be worth a postcode!
iverjohnston wrote: » You get your post because the local postman or woman now knows that NIMAN lives in "the old Jamsie Doherty place" !
MBSnr wrote: » Exactly - that isn't postcode related. An Post do a good job IMO. This isn't about knocking An Post or whatever. We moved house from a rented place and told the postman we had. Old post addressed to us at the rental property was delivered to our new address in a different townland. If that was the UK, you'd have to have to setup a mail redirect for a certain timeframe and pay for that service. I know as I had a re-direct there. Fair play to the An Post postie. For me this thread is purely about saying "you know what, post codes aren't such a bad thing". As long as the system is implemented correctly and on time with no massive IT feck up then what's the issue here? Ok in rural areas there's bound to be some resistance regarding the privacy issue perhaps, as previously vague houses are now completely identifiable down to an individual named resident. But that was always the case in locations with house numbers and road names in towns. Of course the system will cost money but are you or I going to get a tax rebate if they don't introduce the postcode system? Are we individually directly going to financially benefit from it? Both No's. Would the country as a whole benefit? I'd say yes. I'd imagine the savings for the public and private companies is where it'll be seen - HSE home visits, doctors, midwives, home help, patient transfers, ambulances, fire, Gardi etc. Surely any cost saving in the public sector is to be encouraged? Again an individual postcode will mean that the Gov will be able to target each house for water rates, property tax etc. Some say that's unfair... but really it's a charge you will have to pay anyway. But which way would you rather have it? You pay but others get away without paying due to ambiguities with their house address? It would also help the private sector - ESB, courier delivery route planning. I'll be cynical enough to know that the private sector aren't going to pass any savings on to us for sure and that postcodes will be used by insurance companies as a pricing tool in their products. In fact the biggest issue facing Ireland with the postcodes is it'll stop many signing up to Sky multiple times as a new customer from the same address... Those on this thread that say "Ah sure why change the system, it works fine and I always get my post are either living in cities or towns or are not looking at the bigger picture outside of "I get my post, sure it's grand". Yes An Post never ring to find my house or work office, their local knowledge negates the need to do that. So you might get your post every time, but those like myself who get courier deliveries from drivers who may have come over from Dublin or up from Limerick and have to ring and ask "how do I find your office....."? Irish postcode in sat nav. Bang... Done.
Jamie2k9 wrote: » These new post codes will put a lot of noses out of joint in Dublin. People who actually live in somewhere but claim they live in a posh area, whatever will you do now! Example plenty who live in Ballymun claim its Glasnevin and living in areas of Blacnh but say Castleknock.
el pasco wrote: » Sorry but how does not having a postcode affect hse home visits from a nurse or Gardai coming to your house or getting letter or any other service? It never one affected me or anyone I know of who lives so why bother I not trying to be smart but postcode were never needed in the first place anyway not sure why they are being used How on earth but it bring in any savings?? Seriously though how? I don't see how it will bring in any savings
hardCopy wrote: » Having a definitive address removes the need for local knowledge and makes it easier to use Satnav. You could potentially end up with Gardai from outside the local area covering entire counties or multiple counties from a single base. It also opens up the postal market to new entrants. For what it's worth I don't think it'll work unless An Post are forced to reject letters that don't use the postcode, otherwise nobody would bother to learnt the new codes, leaving other operators in the same position they are now.
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iverjohnston wrote: » Cavan post code; Go out of the village over the bridge, ay, where the Artificial Insemanization office was. Go on out that road till you get to the One Tree, yeah, there is a tree growing in the middle of the road, go left dere, and go on to the village of Redhills. Straight through it till you come to the "Flying saucer" You are at the house then. You cant miss it. (genuine directions)
CJC999 wrote: » You may not bother but I'd imagine most people posting a letter or parcel who want it to get to its destination will use the post code to ensure it arrives.
