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Ban Child Beauty Pageants

I am pie

I would be all for it, or at least imposing a minimum age. The idea of judging a child on appearance is horrendous, telling another child they weren't pretty enough to win is pretty damaging. Worse still from the journal article I understand they have swimsuit sections of the competition. Surely that it wrong on many levels.

For me it is one aspect of American Culture we could definitely do without. Odd and grisly.

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GalwayGuy2 wrote: »

A lot of people who saw that scene thought the grandpa was secretly a pedophile. Which, just to say, I don't think he was.

Yeah I heard that, also the guy who claps and shouts at the end of the show was suspicious to some people.

Personally I thought Grandpa was just taking the sexualisation of the girls to the nth degree to make a point and the father who cheered was just relieved to finally see someone else got the point or just something a bit different.

salacious crumb

Exactly.

An Coilean

greenflash wrote: »

As David Bowie once sang, this is not America. But if we do have a say, can we also ban mullets and people who love Jesus?

Can we ban people who don't?

[Deleted User]

An Coilean wrote: »

Can we ban people who don't?

I thought that was the idea behind "the rapture".

keeponhurling

Merkin wrote: »

pagaents are just paedo paradises.

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I admire this man's alliteration

vektarman

Looks like it's cancelled, the hotel have chickened out.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/beauty-pageants-deny-right-of-children-to-be-children-minister-claims-607585.html

wolfpawnat

vektarman wrote: »

Looks like it's cancelled, the hotel have chickened out.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/beauty-pageants-deny-right-of-children-to-be-children-minister-claims-607585.html

That happened last year too, so they booked another hotel and only told the parents. No doubt this year will be the same.

A Primal Nut

I wouldn't necessarily like the idea of it myself if I had a daughter, but that's a personal decision on my part.

As long as the children enjoy themselves and they are having fun, I really don't see the problem with it. Some children enjoy dressing up, etc.

Different thing if they are put under immense pressure; but that can happen with anything competitive children are involved in such as as sport or music.

Zen65

Deleted User wrote: »

Surely the same argument could be made about making children compete on -any- level? Warning bells always go off in my head when an argument is made but only selectively applied.

I believe it is healthy for children to learn to compete (in sport etc.) so that they can learn the life skill of winning and losing in a dignified manner. Far too many people push the "everyone is a winner" idea which only sets kids up for disappointment in later life when they discover this is not true.

Beauty pageants, however, simply reward people for their genes. This is partly true in a sport competition too, but in a sport you can train to improve. In a beauty pageant it's basically all about how your face & body appear, which is 95% about your genes.

WilyCoyote

I am pie wrote: »

I would be all for it, or at least imposing a minimum age. The idea of judging a child on appearance is horrendous, telling another child they weren't pretty enough to win is pretty damaging. Worse still from the journal article I understand they have swimsuit sections of the competition. Surely that it wrong on many levels.

For me it is one aspect of American Culture we could definitely do without. Odd and grisly.

I get your point and think the sexualization of young girls is criminal.
But I think you should add "NOT" to yours less there is any mistaking it for that bunch of sickos of yesteryear.

Look up paedophile information exchange (PIE). It was only banned about 30 years ago

barone

Deleted User wrote: »

Think I understood every part of your post except this bit. Not sure what it means. Where does the sex of the judges come into whether holding Pageants is a moral or immoral or morally neutral act?

grown men ogling very young scantily clad girls should not be encouraged , i really cant understand how any man would wish to do it unless he had a different motive then being a judge.. beggers belief tbh.

imo of course.

[Deleted User]

barone wrote: »

grown men ogling very young scantily clad girls should not be encouraged , i really cant understand how any man would wish to do it unless he had a different motive then being a judge.. beggers belief tbh.

imo of course.

Jesus.

Much as I hate the concept of these yokes, I don't think being a judge = ogling.

Just because you can't understand something (or me, tbh, since I don't understand the appeal of any part of those pageants) doesn't mean it's got wicked undertones.

Das Kitty

Some of the 'contestants' have been booked on the Late Late...

A Primal Nut

Regardless of your opinions on the pageants, bringing up paedophilia in relation to them makes the Daily Mail seem tame in comparison.

GalwayGuy2

Some of the 'contestants' have been booked on the Late Late...

Oh Mary Mother of God, I misread that as bonked for a second :eek:

barone

Candie wrote: »

Jesus.

Much as I hate the concept of these yokes, I don't think being a judge = ogling.

Just because you can't understand something (or me, tbh, since I don't understand the appeal of any part of those pageants) doesn't mean it's got wicked undertones.

would you be happy for a grown man to look over your young daughter, contest or not?

we have different opinions ,its life

AudreyHepburn

19543261 wrote: »

So our logic goes out the door when it comes to children. Right.

You miss the slight nuance between you being offended and children coming to harm.

I miss nothing.

Is it not logical to be concerned about little girls being done up as though they were grown women and being made to act in suggestive and unsavory ways?

Femme_Fatale

Again, I'm not understanding where the "paedo" stuff is coming from. Childlike qualities are what paedos find attractive, not children looking and acting like adults.

Plunging kids into a world of competing in relation to looks is obviously not a good message for a child that small though. Dressing little girls up sexily and having them do sexy dances as part of this competition is not appropriate either. I don't think men are going to leer at them though (that's a bit much tbh).

Rocket19

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Again, I'm not understanding where the "paedo" stuff is coming from. Childlike qualities are what paedos find attractive, not children looking and acting like adults.

Dressing little girls up sexily and having them do sexy dances as part of this competition is not appropriate either. I don't think men are going to leer at them though (that's a bit much tbh).

I think this is a utterly naive statement.

How can you really say what a paedophile is attracted to?
Make-up enhances the child's features, and the clothes show off their little bodies. To us, the child looks cute (maybe even creepy), but to some paedophiles, the child is a sexed-up little doll.
Even with make-up and glitzy clothing, they are still kids. They still look like children.

Paedophiles often see children as sexual objects. Seeing a child pose provocatively wearing a barely-there outfit IS going to provoke attraction/desire in a paedophile.
If anything, through these 'contests', we are validating the attractions/desires of paedophiles by 'sexing up' kids, and portraying them as sexual beings. The pageants objectify children. They may also may give the illusion (to a paedo) that the child is somehow sexually mature. You will often hear of child abusers claiming the child "wanted it", etc.

I can't even describe how much these pageants sicken me! They really make my skin crawl. I guarantee you that paedophiles are interested in these pageants, and I would be willing to bet they watch the tv shows too.

Celly Smunt

Child beauty pageants pfffffffft! sure half the contestants aren't even that sexy.

cuana

I think children should be children! I wouldn't discourage children not to be involved in events even competitions but I have a serious issue with this fake image of fake tan, nails, hair etc judging children in swimwear imo is perverted! What the hell that is not a fcuken talent............

ALiasEX

barone wrote: »

grown men ogling very young scantily clad girls should not be encouraged , i really cant understand how any man would wish to do it unless he had a different motive then being a judge.. beggers belief tbh.

imo of course.

Why would a woman want to do it unless she had a different motive? If you can find an answer then that is the same reason a man would want to be a judge. If there are men judging with a different motive then there are also women judging with a different motive.

Fr_Dougal

cuana wrote: »

I think children should be children! I wouldn't discourage children not to be involved in events even competitions but I have a serious issue with this fake image of fake tan, nails, hair etc judging children in swimwear imo is perverted! What the hell that is not a fcuken talent............

What if they want to be fire engines?

Grandeeod

I really can't believe all the anger and fuss here. I guess its the TV that still "educates" people.

For years in Ireland we have been sexualising young girls and even boys through so called entertainment. Let me spell this out for you. In my lifetime I can go back to the 1970s and remember the whole Majorettes thing. It usually reached its peak around Paddys Day. The Majorettes gimmick was filled with young girls plastered in make up and wearing very short skirts and sometimes knee high boots. The baton that was thrown usually resulted in the skirt riding up. I lived next door to some Majorettes. I was about 7 years old and they were the same age and a little older. At the time I knew nothing about all this sexualising thing, but looking back, its so obvious. Then there was ball room dancing. Young girls and boys done up to look more adult and prance around provocatively. What about young Irish dancers with their ringlets and once again short skirted costumes. Its recently being expanded to even shorter skirts and lots of fake tan. Im talking about kids here, not much older than what was going to show up in Balbriggan this weekend.

I guess we accept what we did and still do in Ireland, but because the whole beauty pageant and toddlers and tiaras thing is pumped out on the telly, we rage up in disgust and completely ignore/accept or don't realise that what we have been doing in Ireland for donkeys years already.

Femme_Fatale

Grandeeod wrote: »

I really can't believe all the anger and fuss here. I guess its the TV that still "educates" people.

For years in Ireland we have been sexualising young girls and even boys through so called entertainment. Let me spell this out for you. In my lifetime I can go back to the 1970s and remember the whole Majorettes thing. It usually reached its peak around Paddys Day. The Majorettes gimmick was filled with young girls plastered in make up and wearing very short skirts and sometimes knee high boots. The baton that was thrown usually resulted in the skirt riding up. I lived next door to some Majorettes. I was about 7 years old and they were the same age and a little older. At the time I knew nothing about all this sexualising thing, but looking back, its so obvious. Then there was ball room dancing. Young girls and boys done up to look more adult and prance around provocatively. What about young Irish dancers with their ringlets and once again short skirted costumes. Its recently being expanded to even shorter skirts and lots of fake tan. Im talking about kids here, not much older than what was going to show up in Balbriggan this weekend.

I guess we accept what we did and still do in Ireland, but because the whole beauty pageant and toddlers and tiaras thing is pumped out on the telly, we rage up in disgust and completely ignore/accept or don't realise that we have been doing in Ireland for donkeys years already.

It wasn't a contest though.

Grandeeod

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

It wasn't a contest though.

What wasn't a contest?

Femme_Fatale

Grandeeod wrote: »

What wasn't a contest?

The stuff you describe wasn't a contest like beauty pageants are.

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Karl Stein

Rocket19 wrote: »

How can you really say what a paedophile is attracted to?

I guarantee you that paedophiles are interested in these pageants

Isn't this a little contradictory (red v blue)?

apollo8

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Child beauty pageants pfffffffft! sure half the contestants aren't even that sexy.

So you find 50% of the children sexy then? perv