Archer3083 wrote: » Davy doesn't need to do that himself. Even Brian Cody avoids talking about the referee even though he's grinding his teeth during interviews. Someone else can do that on behalf of the Clare team. Look at what happened to Rory Gallagher this week after he went rogue ahead of the Mayo game.
Squareball2010 wrote: » Sasol I suggest you take off your rose tinted glasses with comments and facts such as those you have presented about the drawn game. Firstly I agree with most of your points about Brian Gavin's incorrect calls against Clare in the first half - some beggared belief including the frontal charge by McLoughlin and the overcarrying decision against McInerney. However this is where you are slightly delusional as you can only see the errors in Cork's favour and argue a 1-3 "swing" that the referee was at fault for as he (cue the ridiculous statement) "attempted to win the All Ireland for Cork". 1. Shane O'Neill and Honan were both at it and importantly Honan struck first, do people seriously think that he just lashed out for the craic or something - it was either 2 yellows or 2 reds no ifs or buts. And to me there's no doubt both players should have been sent off. Re-watch the incident and you should see Honan's strike across O'Neill's faceguard. His retaliation was petulant and stupid and indeed he was a lucky boy to stay on, so too was Honan though. Pity the cameras only picked up the O'Neill strike CLEARLY. 2. The first 21 Cork had should have been retaken - result at least a point and possibly a goal which was at minimum a 2 pt swing and possibly a four point swing - not sure any other decision in the whole game had as big a score impact. 3. Played over the time to give Clare a chance for the equaliser - thus you could say Gavin's decisions against Cork swung 3 pts to Clare at least, did he really miss 3 scoreable frees for Clare that would have evened up this position. The factual stats on the free count from the AI final are: 1st half Cork-11 Clare-5 2nd half Cork - 5 Clare-11 I must say lads this McGrath appointment worries me and annoys me. Judging by his poor performances both in the AI Final replay last year - disallowing Donellan's goal by not playing a simple advantage was a poor mistake and his inexcusable sending off of Horgan in the Munster Final which was rightly rescinded, frankly a man doesn't deserve the replay of the biggest game in the hurling year! Johnny Ryan the other linesman would have been a far more sensible option imo. It isn't fair on Clare either as they will undoubtedly fear McGrath will look to make up for and atone for his error in the Munster Final...even subconsiously. Who knows?
Archer3083 wrote: » Well I certainly wouldn't criticize him for not doing that press night. Everyone knows he's got a short fuse. He did the right thing avoiding that press night and not being sucked into an incident. I think Davy might have this notion that he's redirecting attention from the team to himself and protecting the players but honestly, if he kept his lips sealed he would not be giving his critics any ammunition.
Archer3083 wrote: » I think Davy is getting the wrong sort of attention now. He's painting a big target on his back for everyone who dislikes him to really get stuck in and criticise him and maybe take it out on the Clare team.
sasol wrote: » So you are not going to deal with any of the points I raised ? Saying that Honan stroke O'Neills head is a lie and nothing else. It did not happen. It must hurt from a Cork point of view that this would be a tainted All-Ireland in non Corkonians eyes. Every single game Cork have won , has been clouded by huge referreing decisions going in your favour.
sasol wrote: » Honan did not strike. I saw it happening, I had full view. Any suggestion that Honan stuck, is a feeble attempt to try and justify what O'Neill did (not for the first time this year) The first Cork 21 should not have been given, because as I stated already, TV clearly shows that Kelly did not pick the ball off the ground ! Gavin did not play over time. Read this from John Bannon, which summarises it perfectlyTo clarify the additional time rule, time can be added on for incidental or deliberate play, which holds up the game. Cork’s two line-balls in the two minutes signalled by fourth official James Owens on behalf of Gavin fell into the latter bracket.The first line ball occurred at 70:03 minutes and Conor O’Sullivan placed the ball. Christopher Joyce then repositioned the sliotar and struck it on 70:36. That’s 33 seconds of a lapse. The second line ball was awarded at 71:29 but wasn’t taken until 71:58, a gap that amounted to 29 seconds.Cork were clearly attempting to kill the clock and I had no issue with Gavin permitting the extra 38seconds.
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » James Mcgrath ref for the final,the worst ref out their.
Amprodude wrote: » He was the guy that sent Hoggie off. He reffed last years final replay too if my memory serves me right.
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » The u21 semi final as well in 2007 against galway,he was woeful.That same day colm o neill scored a beauty of a goal. Hope you got to c the game in the states the last day kid.
Amprodude wrote: » When will the Cork team be returning home to the city after the final win or lose? Would it be Sunday evening or monday evening?
niallo27 wrote: » Nice guys don't win **** all though.
Mouth of the South wrote: » Yet again, presenting your opinion and "full view" as "fact". Do you ever stop? Honan struck O'Neill one second before O'Neill retaliated. And yet again you say that people are trying to "justify" O'Neill's strike, nobody ever did it. Nobody ever said O'Neill shouldn't have been sent off. Only that Honan should have gone with him.You say that Kelly didn't pick up the ball and it was "proved" on TV. At 4.35 in this video it looks more likely that he did than he didn't, so yet again you are presenting your opinion as being "proved" and "fact". The subsequent 21 strike shows Kelly rushing off his line and was even beyond the small parallelogram when the ball is struck and it should have been retaken. But I suppose that is legal in the Sasol definition of these things.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwNzHxuOPtk As for Bannon, he is talking rubbish. For the first line ball, the teams were level, why would Cork waste time when they had possession and had come back into the game? And the time taken was in no way out of the ordinary, happens 20 or 30 times in a game. For the second line ball , he omits the detail that Kelly the Clare goalie ran away with the ball preventing the quick lineball and Cork didn't get the ball back for 11 of those 29 seconds. Neither lineball was timewasting, Bannon will back up his fellow ref and omit the finer points. Gavin played phantom time on top of extra time, the Clare whingers have nothing to complain about, they should be grateful.
rebel girl 15 wrote: » As far as I know, the hurlers are back down on Sunday, didn't hear of them going to support the ladies, even though the ladies are going to support the hurlers. Ladies had their press night last night, was well attended in comparision to other press nights by all accounts - wasn't there, but got the report afterwards! Flights sorted, tickets for both games sorted, accomodation sorted, time off on Monday sorted - bring on the All Ireland weekend!!
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » Is it possible that both homecoming could join on the monday?okay if one team looses it may dampen the mood but i think if either did,the hurling team deserve a huge crowd for where they came from,and the ladies too for they achieved the last ten years. What you dnt want to c is the fiasco in 2007 when there was a woeful crowd turned out in mallow train station ,after kerry humilated them.They and Morgan for what he gave to cork football deserved better.
rebel girl 15 wrote: » I remember that - the Kerry lads actually stopped in Mallow for a few minutes around 4/4.30 coming down, and there was a few there - crowd was woeful for the Cork lads! I think the ladies were looking for a joint homecoming, but it has been rejected. I know the lads come down on the train, whereas the ladies would be coming down by bus, stopping in Fermoy, then Watergrasshill and the city centre. It would be much better to have both on the one night, but if it ends up that the lads is on Sunday night, the crowd for the ladies game may be less. In fairness, a lot of people are staying up for both games, which will be fantastic, this bunch of girls, a team that you could argue had a transition of sorts when they lost to Tyrone in 2010 are back again, 8 finals in 9 years going for three in a row.
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: » It was rejected ,to have a joint homecoming.What a jokeTotally dissrespectful to the ladies and Eammon Ryan. No prizes for who rejected it.
sasol wrote: » Honan did not strike. I saw it happening, I had full view. Any suggestion that Honan stuck, is a feeble attempt to try and justify what O'Neill did (not for the first time this year) The first Cork 21 should not have been given, because as I stated already, TV clearly shows that Kelly did not pick the ball off the ground ! Gavin did not play over time. Read this from John Bannon, which summarises it perfectly" Again your bias is incredible. For one second man try and take a proper and fair view of the events and be true and honest with yourself because you're only making yourself look foolish. 1. YES O'Neill should have seen red for a piece of petulance and stupidity striking Honan around the head blatantly in front of the umpires(every cork person accepts this :rolleyes:). However YES Honan did strike first, hittin O'Neill into his faceguard and so it was in retaliation O'Neill hit back...why else would he? So BOTH and that is important for you to comprehend...BOTH should have been sent off. It was either TWO yellows or TWO reds which is why Honan also got booked with O'Neill...proof is in the pudding Sasol whether your a Clare man a Cork man or a feking African man...both were deserving of the same punishment - a strike is a strike. Here is the proof of Honan's strike - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYUrGdRVsDk you can see him swinging his hurley across O'Neill (a strike) at 11.08 and AGAIN at 11.39 and AGAIN at 11.44. Granted O'Neill's was more blatant and obvious both are "swipes of the hurley" (which the ref indicates) and both are reds! 2. Again you are incorrect - it was indeed handled on the ground by Kelly and what surer sign the referee was correct than Kelly or no-one from Clare arguing the decision? If he didn't touch it on the ground then why no complaint from Kelly and why does he in fact celebrate the save and accept the decision? This video is flawed in that it focuses on the wrong incident...the pick up has happened at this stage as O'Farrell was challenging the keeper at 0.12 here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDBNRHt_HZE and you can hear the ref's whistle blowing before the legitimate pick up by Kelly later on in the clip so he was correct as a matter of fact it WAS handled on the ground as Clare players and keeper accepted. TV clearly shows he didnt pick it up off the ground AFTER he had already touched it on the ground should be the end of your sentence up there. 3. Every sideline takes on average 15-20 seconds to hit so this is a petty argument by yourself and the mighty John Bannon (a football ref) just looking for justification for the extra generous addition of 30 seconds. If it was the other way around you would be fuming at the extra 30 seconds added on by the ref. The first sideline as someone hinted the game was level so why would any side waste time and the second sideline it was infact the Clare keeper who wouldn't release the ball wasting about 10 seconds to give himself time to get back to goal. These are the facts. Check it out here if you need to rejog the memory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0u1kjhlHJ4 Just be fair in your assessment and stop looking for the sympathy vote. Clare deserved to win but Cork should have won! Roll on the replay.
mr bungle. wrote: » re shane o Neill i was talking to a fella that knows gavin well,gavin said to him that it was going to be two reds or two yellow,gavin was informed that honan struck o neill with the hurl first and that he didn't want to ruin the game with two reds so early on!
sasol wrote: » http://www.examiner.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/cork-have-no-issue-with-mcgrath-243572.html Cork out playing mind games with James McGrath already. Trying to get another ref on board. If Davy came out and commented on the ref before a big game, there would be uproar.
