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Disabled parking spaces. Do you..

Ghost Buster

....park in them if you are not entitled to?
I dont want this to become a shouty fighty thread!

I loath the misuse of disabled parking spaces but what i am interested in here is fathoming the mind set of the people who park in them. In my work last night i had to chase two people, two ordinary and usually quite nice individuals out of disabled spaces in a private car park. I really just done get it.
What is your justification?

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ballyharpat

KwackerJack wrote: »

Have you kids??

If a little kid hit scraped your door you'd be the very person to start jumping and shouting all over the car park :rolleyes:

And this is why kids have arents, to ensure that the kids don't slam the doors and other nonsense that may be damaging to society, otherwise they may grow up thinking the world owes them and that the world and all the people in it should change for them, rather than them have to adjust their attitude to fit into society.

back on topic now though, what pisses me off along with people using disabled parking spots, is people that use wheelchair friendly toilets, the amount of times I have been waiting outside one, I knock on the door and 99% of the time, whoever comes out is a perfectly able person without a wheelchair, on more than one occasion, it has been teenage girls stepping out and then the justification has been, 'I wasn't using it, I just needed the mirror' I mean seriously, wtf, these are probably the same kids that are brought up by parents who tell them to slam their door off the car next to them, because society hasn't provided them with a parking spot for them to do whatever they f-ing want....

eisenberg1

kneemos wrote: »

Not sure I have an apathetic attitude but I'm pretty sure I'm entitled to it if I have.
Anytime I've walked past disabled spaces most or all of them were empty,so I don't see a major problem parking there.

I sincerely hope the day never arrives where you, or any of your family/friends (though I doubt you have any friends) will require one of these spaces, although with your attitude, I don't think that day is too far away.....

ballyharpat

shar01 wrote: »

Don't get this either. Just drop them off near the door and find another parking space. Simples.

sometimes the disabled person needing a lift may be suffering from a brain injury and may no t be safe to be left alone. They may be wheelchair bound and unable to operate a wheelchair.....I am sure there are many other reasons.....

greenflash

kneemos wrote: »

Not sure I have an apathetic attitude but I'm pretty sure I'm entitled to it if I have.
Anytime I've walked past disabled spaces most or all of them were empty,so I don't see a major problem parking there.

The issue isn't whether the spaces are filled or not, it's whether people are decent enough not to park in them or not. Some selfish lazy chimps obviously aren't able to follow the simplest principles or live their life with the most basic courtesies. It's not an issue of global moral importance, it just puts certain types into the vermin bracket.

Tin Foil Hat

DarkJager wrote: »

I don't park in them but I do feel some car parks go a bit overkill with the amount of spaces provided. Those parent and child spaces do my head in though, absolutely no justification for them.

They're wider. Ever try to put a baby or toddler in and out of a car seat when the next car is parked 30cm from yours?

Ghost Buster

kneemos wrote: »

How do yot get around the shop?

More easily if not already in discomfort from a long walk to it I imagine.

Artful_Badger

stoneill wrote: »

Ignorant lazy cúnt

Lazy ignorant cúnt

Its lazy and ignorant to use a space that nobody else is using or will need to use ? I myself call it not going out of my way to so as not to inconvenience imaginary people. In a place with more disabled spaces than they will ever need to cater for the amount of disabled people using their shop there is absolutely no reason why I shouldn't park in them for a brief moment to run in and out (even if every disabled driver in the country descended on the place while I was in the shop I'd still be out before they had all managed to park). And unless you park as far away from the shop as you can then you're in no position to be calling me lazy either. You like me park as close as you can because its the logical thing to do. So I am neither lazy or ignorant.

VONSHIRACH

martinedwards wrote: »

in the north there is a photo.

no reg no as you might have access to more than one car.

The blue badge is specific to the person. He/she can use it regardless of what vehicle he/she drives or is driven in.

I have had a blue badge since 2010 due to cancer. It expires in summer 2014 and I won't need to renew it. Although I don't use a wheelchair normally it was of great help for parking when I attended a hundred or so out-patients appointments. A lot of times I was so weak it was tough making it to and through those appointments. Sometimes, you can't tell if a person has health issues just by looking at them. Having had the benefit of the parking pass when I was really ill, I think that it is disgraceful that a minority of people would park in a disabled space when they don't have a blue badge. There are just bad eggs out there. A friend lost her blue badge card in a hospital car-park, never saw it again, the finder no doubt uses it for his/her parking now.

Frosty McSnowballs

kneemos wrote: »

Not sure I have an apathetic attitude but I'm pretty sure I'm entitled to it if I have.
Anytime I've walked past disabled spaces most or all of them were empty,so I don't see a major problem parking there.

We are all entitled to an opinion, I'm not questioning that.

Have you parked in one? Fair enough if you have never needed to use one.

How would you feel if you did in fact need to use one, and there was only one available and an able bodied person took it instead of you?

Ok, hypothetical situation....lets see where you stand.

Your elderly and mostly housebound mother asks you to take her to the shop. You agree even though she suffers with emphysema and needs to bring an oxygen tank with her. The once simple task of routinely going to the shop is now a laborious and slow process but is essential for a sense of normality and dignity.

It is a normal ten minute daily chore which can now take well over an hour to complete as walking is now a hard thing to do. The hour consists of mostly pain, embarrassment and frustration but gives her something to break the monotony of hospitals, medication, panic attacks and general feelings of worthlessness and depression.

You help her to the car, make sure she has her inhalers, medication, oxygen tank and breathing tubes. This was a hard task in itself. You get to the car park and see one disabled spot available but the car ahead of you takes it. Out of it steps some able bodied guy, no disabled sticker and not picking any disabled person up.

Theres a normal spot halfway down the car park, its only 50ft but you know that it is realistically just too far for her to make it....so you just go home and try again tomorrow.

It may be a hypothetical situation to you. You may even say if she's that bad why bring her in the first place, or sure just wait until a closer spot frees up. That is beside the point.

These spaces are allocated for people who may genuinely need them. It's something that can ease the burden of their situation, whatever it may be. Not for someone ese to use because "what are the odds of 20 disabled drivers needing the space, sure il only be 5 minutes".

paddy147

Can you feel THE LOVE on this thread??:pac::pac::D

stoneill

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Its lazy and ignorant to use a space that nobody else is using or will need to use ? I myself call it not going out of my way to so as not to inconvenience imaginary people. In a place with more disabled spaces than they will ever need to cater for the amount of disabled people using their shop there is absolutely no reason why I shouldn't park in them for a brief moment to run in and out (even if every disabled driver in the country descended on the place while I was in the shop I'd still be out before they had all managed to park). And unless you park as far away from the shop as you can then you're in no position to be calling me lazy either. You like me park as close as you can because its the logical thing to do. So I am neither lazy or ignorant.

I generally walk or cycle to the shops, but if I do take the pick up, then I generally park enough distance away as to not affect other people.

Agricola

My local hardware is in a big rented premises outside town with car parking for maybe 80 vehicles. Right in front of the door there are probably 20 disabled spaces. Which is stupid.
If I arrive on a quiet Tuesday morning at 10am to pick up a box of screws or nails, I will certainly park in one of them. Not the one right beside the door obviously cause Im not THAT big a cúnt. On the off chance a disabled person arrives in the same 5 minute window as me, I wont be the reason they cant park right next to the door. So far I havent come out to see one let alone a bunch of disabled people scrambling for spaces!

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Its lazy and ignorant to use a space that nobody else is using or will need to use ? I myself call it not going out of my way to so as not to inconvenience imaginary people. In a place with more disabled spaces than they will ever need to cater for the amount of disabled people using their shop there is absolutely no reason why I shouldn't park in them for a brief moment to run in and out (even if every disabled driver in the country descended on the place while I was in the shop I'd still be out before they had all managed to park). And unless you park as far away from the shop as you can then you're in no position to be calling me lazy either. You like me park as close as you can because its the logical thing to do. So I am neither lazy or ignorant.

You see you're trying to reason using common sense. People on a PC circle jerk dont want your reason or common sense. They want to get infuriated about how inconsiderate your are to those poor little disabled people!

Days 298

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Its lazy and ignorant to use a space that nobody else is using or will need to use ? I myself call it not going out of my way to so as not to inconvenience imaginary people. In a place with more disabled spaces than they will ever need to cater for the amount of disabled people using their shop there is absolutely no reason why I shouldn't park in them for a brief moment to run in and out (even if every disabled driver in the country descended on the place while I was in the shop I'd still be out before they had all managed to park). And unless you park as far away from the shop as you can then you're in no position to be calling me lazy either. You like me park as close as you can because its the logical thing to do. So I am neither lazy or ignorant.

And if everyone had that attitude no disabled spaces would ever be available because "sure ill only be a second" would allow every disabled space to be taken up by non disabled people. Is walking for an extra 10 seconds hard? Or do you begrudge disabled people's nearer spaces.

wexie

stoneill wrote: »

I generally walk or cycle to the shops, but if I do take the pick up, then I generally park enough distance away as to not affect other people.

That's cause you're not lazy, ignorant or inconsiderate.

Let's face it, no amount of circular logic or nonsense justification can hide the fact that if you park in disabled spots simply because you can you're a lazy, inconsiderate twat.

Personally I applaud the poster that said he was letting the air out of tires. Should be more people like that. I fully think if you park like that you deserve one of these and a good keying.

Artful_Badger

stoneill wrote: »

I generally walk or cycle to the shops, but if I do take the pick up, then I generally park enough distance away as to not affect other people.

Same as me then who'd park as close as I can without inconveniencing anyone when I'd park in one of many unused spaces for a brief moment. The only people affected by what I'd do are those looking for some innocuous little thing to have a whinge about.

paddy147

I love Tesco Artane on a Friday afternoon,after school has just finished and when its lashing rain.

About a million cars all trying to park as close to the main entrance doors as is humanly possible.:pac:

Fcuk the disabled parking spaces,its every person for themselves down there on a wet/rainy Friday afternoon....:eek::pac::D

Artful_Badger

Days 298 wrote: »

And if everyone had that attitude no disabled spaces would ever be available because "sure ill only be a second" would allow every disabled space to be taken up by non disabled people. Is walking for an extra 10 seconds hard? Or do you begrudge disabled people's nearer spaces.

So you're jumping from me parking in a disabled spot because there are loads and unused to everyone filling it up ? Makes no sense, if everyone had my attitude and did what I do those spaces would never be filled. If there was the remotest chance of a disabled person not being able to find a space I wouldn't park there even for the briefest of moment.

I begrudge nobody anything I just see no reason in going out of my way to adhere to some nonsensical view that disabled parking spaces are out of bounds for despite there being no chance you're gonna inconvenience someone by using them for a bit.

Yamanoto

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Same as me then who parks as close as I can without inconveniencing anyone when I park in one of many unused spaces for a brief moment. The only people affected by what I do are those looking for some innocuous little thing to have a whinge about.

Ah sure weren't the hazards left flashing n' all, 'tis grand so.

Artful_Badger

Yamanoto wrote: »

Ah sure weren't the hazards left flashing n' all, 'tis grand so.

Why would I leave the hazards flashing after parking in a parking space ??

Artful_Badger

wexie wrote: »

That's cause you're not lazy, ignorant or inconsiderate.

Let's face it, no amount of circular logic or nonsense justification can hide the fact that if you park in disabled spots simply because you can you're a lazy, inconsiderate twat.

Personally I applaud the poster that said he was letting the air out of tires. Should be more people like that. I fully think if you park like that you deserve one of these and a good keying.

Yeah thats what we need, more vandals to deal with lazy inconsiderate twats.

I dont understand people I really dont. This is the same sort of absolute nonsense you hear in threads on assault and the like. Most people think the best way to deal with objectionable behavior is with actual crimes. It makes no sense and its the same sort of logic that mongo in the restaurant used to convince his girlfriend to assault the waitress.

eisenberg1

wexie wrote: »

That's cause you're not lazy, ignorant or inconsiderate.

Let's face it, no amount of circular logic or nonsense justification can hide the fact that if you park in disabled spots simply because you can you're a lazy, inconsiderate twat.

Personally I applaud the poster that said he was letting the air out of tires. Should be more people like that. I fully think if you park like that you deserve one of these and a good keying.

Here here....I aint "PC" by any stretch, I normally could not give a flying fcuk, but this **** really gets on my tits. You cannot get thru to these morons...when the day comes that they need these spaces, they will be first to bitch. I'm off, its doin me head in, I knew there were a few of these assholes still around, just did not think there were so many.

whatdoicare

My dad gets grief the whole time for parking in disabled spots as he doesnt look like he has a disability, what people don't know is that he has two fake hips and his two knees are ****ed. He's just walking arthritis at this stage. He doesn't use a walking stick or wheelchair but walking is incredibly painful for him and he has a sticker stuck to his visor that he doesn't always remember to flick down.
Just goes to show, you don't know just by looking.

On the other hand, people can be absolute pigs. Mammy and baby spots are the same, people with two seater fancy cars and no car seat for kid parking just so people won't scratch their car leaving me struggling to get a baby into car and buggy into boot in a tiny spot. Drives me mad.

freshface2

Lots of people park in disabled bays
but never get caught

VONSHIRACH

Some disabled parking spaces don't make any sense. I live in 2006 development of about 700 duplex apartments and 2 and 3 storey houses. There are disabled spaces dotted around. No wheelchair user could live in these properties or visit friends here!

paddy147

whatdoicare wrote: »

My dad gets grief the whole time for parking in disabled spots as he doesnt look like he has a disability, what people don't know is that he has two fake hips and his two knees are ****ed. He's just walking arthritis at this stage. He doesn't use a walking stick or wheelchair but walking is incredibly painful for him and he has a sticker stuck to his visor that he doesn't always remember to flick down.
Just goes to show, you don't know just by looking.

On the other hand, people can be absolute pigs. Mammy and baby spots are the same, people with two seater fancy cars and no car seat for kid parking just so people won't scratch their car leaving me struggling to get a baby into car and buggy into boot in a tiny spot. Drives me mad.

Maybe he should put the sticker on the dashboard or windscreen then,no??;):pac:

http://www.iwa.ie/services/motoring/disabled-parking-permit-scheme

Permit display terms and conditions

When the Disabled Parking Permit is in use, it must be displayed on the dashboard of the vehicle so that the card’s expiry date, serial number and wheelchair symbol is clearly visible from outside of the vehicle.

Please be advised that failure to display the Parking Permit when parked in a accessible parking bay may result in the vehicle being clamped.

A Parking Permit holder is legally obliged to present their card for examination by an Garda Siochana and Traffic Wardens.

Photocopies of a Disabled Parking Permit are not permitted for display when parking as they are invalid.

VONSHIRACH

whatdoicare wrote: »

My dad gets grief the whole time for parking in disabled spots as he doesnt look like he has a disability, what people don't know is that he has two fake hips and his two knees are ****ed. He's just walking arthritis at this stage. He doesn't use a walking stick or wheelchair but walking is incredibly painful for him and he has a sticker stuck to his visor that he doesn't always remember to flick down.
Just goes to show, you don't know just by looking.

On the other hand, people can be absolute pigs. Mammy and baby spots are the same, people with two seater fancy cars and no car seat for kid parking just so people won't scratch their car leaving me struggling to get a baby into car and buggy into boot in a tiny spot. Drives me mad.

If he forgets to flick his visor down in a public space, he is risking the traffic warden or clamper's wrath!

Ghost Buster

VONSHIRACH wrote: »

Some disabled parking spaces don't make any sense. I live in 2006 development of about 700 duplex apartments and 2 and 3 storey houses. There are disabled spaces dotted around. No wheelchair user could live in these properties or visit friends here!

They arent just for wheel chair users.

_Whimsical_

I have a condition that affects my blood pressure and heart rate to an extent that when it goes through bad phases I can only stand for a minute or two .Even on good days when I am standing the ground feels like it is moving under my feet,I'm often very dizzy,seeing double,I feel like I'm going to be sick,pass out and my heart is thundering in my chest. I look fine,I don't use a wheelchair. I have one of these disabled parking cards that I use when I'm a passenger in other people's cars because I can't drive right now.

If I go out, to the dr ,the dentist,wherever, I need someone to be with me all the time, I can't walk any distance alone into appointments or stand around waiting for someone to park the car any distance away from the entrance if they drop me at the door. People parking in disabled spots as often meant that I've arrived at an appointment or somewhere I needed to go and have had to just go home again because there was no way for me to safely get into where I was going.

On rare occasions when I have a "good day" and can conceive of being able to go out for a coffee for 20 mins(and 20 mins is my maximum safe sitting standing time ATM) I have to plan to go somewhere we can park directly outside, mostly to places with a disabled parking space. Several times I've got there and had to go home again because the parking space outside the place I wanted to go was gone. Then it might be a month or more before I'd be well enough to try again.

There are several comments on this thread about how there aren't that many disabled drivers etc so it's not a big deal to just park in a space for 20 mins. The truth is that there are lots of disabled drivers and passengers out there who really need those spaces. You saving five mins parking near the door for 20 mins can easily ruin an entire day for someone like me. Lots of people with these cards are not well,they can't just go to another shop 20 mins away etc, they have to plan trips that are physically capable of making or go to specific places because those places can accommodate their mobility needs. Theres already quite a lot of competition between disabled people for these spaces.Please don't park in them if you don't need to.

whatdoicare

paddy147 wrote: »

Maybe he should put the sticker on the dashboard or windscreen then,no??;):pac:

http://www.iwa.ie/services/motoring/disabled-parking-permit-scheme

Permit display terms and conditions

When the Disabled Parking Permit is in use, it must be displayed on the dashboard of the vehicle so that the card’s expiry date, serial number and wheelchair symbol is clearly visible from outside of the vehicle.

Please be advised that failure to display the Parking Permit when parked in a accessible parking bay may result in the vehicle being clamped.

A Parking Permit holder is legally obliged to present their card for examination by an Garda Siochana and Traffic Wardens.

Photocopies of a Disabled Parking Permit are not permitted for display when parking as they are invalid.

His car has been broken into twice to steal the sticker so he started hiding it on the visor.

Frosty McSnowballs

paddy147 wrote: »

Maybe he should put the sticker on the dashboard or windscreen then,no??;):pac:

http://www.iwa.ie/services/motoring/disabled-parking-permit-scheme

Permit display terms and conditions

That's nice Paddy...have you any other hints/tips or suggestions?

Maybe rollerblades could be easier than walking -[wink, wink]-