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Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

delaval

24/6/16

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I was wondering would it be a help if we posted our milk prices. I would hope that if someone is low that help could be given, on the other hand if high perhaps your tips could help us all.

I would suggest posting your processors base inc Vat for comparison
Post your Nett price for others to help or be helped
I think that solids should be included.
I suggest any seasonal/liquid contract price be excluded or seperated.

I feel that we as farmers do a lot of bitching about processor prices and rightly so IMO. I also feel that we should not worry about it as we can do nothing about base price but we certainly do something about it at farm level.

What do you all think?

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whelan1

delaval wrote: »

So are kitchen designers. Phuckin kitchen designer. He doesn't even make the yokes, designs them. It's the best I ever herd!!!!

maybe she just got him out so she could see the look on your face

loveta

poor farmer wrote: »

Lakelands paying 39 cent incl. vat for aug

was wondering what they would move would be from july

keep going

delaval wrote: »

I for one need milk price to drop fast. Mrs Del is 'finishing' the house. I'll admit it was never finished inside. Lawns were done but I was happy not there much anyway. Arrived home for dinner to meet a kitchen designer, well that's what I was told!!!!

I said I wanted to put in outdoor cubicles but wasn't doing as we agreed never to spend in a good price year. Feel that if you can do in a bad year you really need it. I was informed that that rule only applies to the farm. I was also told to sell the motor bike if I wanted cubicles. I ate the dinner and went back power washing!!

Bit like that here except its thelawn and garden we are doing here.if I dont get it done by the weekend im divorced so I trying to figure out which is more important marriage or fertilizer

bob charles

delaval wrote: »

I for one need milk price to drop fast. Mrs Del is 'finishing' the house. I'll admit it was never finished inside. Lawns were done but I was happy not there much anyway. Arrived home for dinner to meet a kitchen designer, well that's what I was told!!!!

as I always say about a wife- why buy, when you can borrow.

freedominacup

delaval wrote: »

I for one need milk price to drop fast. Mrs Del is 'finishing' the house. I'll admit it was never finished inside. Lawns were done but I was happy not there much anyway. Arrived home for dinner to meet a kitchen designer, well that's what I was told!!!!

I said I wanted to put in outdoor cubicles but wasn't doing as we agreed never to spend in a good price year. Feel that if you can do in a bad year you really need it. I was informed that that rule only applies to the farm. I was also told to sell the motor bike if I wanted cubicles. I ate the dinner and went back power washing!!

It's no wonder I got a dig about Glanbia board members on another thread:rolleyes:. She's well able for you. That's what you get for sneaky pints and fags in the kitchen on a Sunday afternoon:D:D:D.

mahoney_j

Back on topic,Arrabawn price set at 38.5 vat inc for August ,a miserly .2 cent rise over July price and half a cent behind g11 .more worryingly coop now 1.4 % over quota and milk powering in.a good number of suppliers already full and super levy deductions starting this month.

delaval

mahoney_j wrote: »

Back on topic,Arrabawn price set at 38.5 vat inc for August ,a miserly .2 cent rise over July price and half a cent behind g11 .more worryingly coop now 1.4 % over quota and milk powering in.a good number of suppliers already full and super levy deductions starting this month.

Do you think deds will halt the flow or will guys take the hit on cash flow in a good price?

mahoney_j

delaval wrote: »

Do you think deds will halt the flow or will guys take the hit on cash flow in a good price?

Hard to know,certainly it will make some guys take a step back,its hard to put the breaks o. When price is as good as its now. Most guys simply can't take a super levy hit on top of the huge bills built up over last year which in a lot of cases are still been paid back.i think coop are right to start taking levy now rather than leaving it till next April and hitting guys when money is tight anyway.levy nationally is looking a near certainty now with good price ,loads of grass and concentrate in way down.a good spring and its a banker.
In my case I will now be tight for quota for second half of march and its tightening with each passing week.cows milking near 22.5 Ltrs and loads of grass.scanned 2 weeks ago and ended up with 16% of cows empty after 11 week breeding season so come first of October I will dry off and cull some of these ladies.slughtly disappointed with scan and took a few bloods which came back low in iodine .lots of heifers comming through so stil have ample stock calving down next spring.

delaval

I read before that you bonus the cows, am I correct?
If so are they not carrying iodine?

What would your empty rate be after 11 weeks?
We are scanning next week so will get back to you. I do see an odd cow bulling and no heifer

mahoney_j

delaval wrote: »

I read before that you bonus the cows, am I correct?
If so are they not carrying iodine?

What would your empty rate be after 11 weeks?
We are scanning next week so will get back to you. I do see an odd cow bulling and no heifer

Yep correct,done with all sure in early April.not enough iodine in it though according to my vet.during calving season I add 1 ml per cow per day to drinking water as well as dry cow minerals.had an issue with calves going full term and just born dead a few years back early in the season,lost first 6 calves born (5 heifers)and on vets advice I started to put iodine in water and plain sailing after that.empty rate after 11 to 12 weeks usually between 8 and 10%.all other blood mineral levels are at adequate levels and on scan all emptys had no issues with cysts etc and are cycling normally.

delaval

Glanbia base 39c inc Vat

We got 44c for aug
BF 4.45
Pr 3.61

Thankfully not too much in the fixed price scheme
On target quota wise, so a bit of management should see us a little over not too bad I think, fingers crossed:):)

Farmer Pudsey

Just as a matter of interest lads and lassies what will you average price wise for milk this year and what will your co-op's average base price be. this It would be interesting to see what was the average price for milk accross the year for the last 5 years. Co-op's tend to pay as much as the can early and late in the year and skimp in the middle high yield part of the year.

Delaval how near 40/L will you average this year or will you be well above it. Them Jerseys are paying well even if you get nothing for the bulls. Are they better or worst to convert than the Holstein. Saw a post a week ago about a farmers comparing Jersey and Holstein in the same herd. However how can you compare the intake of a handy jersey cross Fresian to a large Holstein or ordinary Fresian cow. I would imagine that a 100kg difference in weight would be Minimum so intake could be 15% less minimum.

delaval

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Just as a matter of interest lads and lassies what will you average price wise for milk this year and what will your co-op's average base price be. this It would be interesting to see what was the average price for milk accross the year for the last 5 years. Co-op's tend to pay as much as the can early and late in the year and skimp in the middle high yield part of the year.

Delaval how near 40/L will you average this year or will you be well above it. Them Jerseys are paying well even if you get nothing for the bulls. Are they better or worst to convert than the Holstein. Saw a post a week ago about a farmers comparing Jersey and Holstein in the same herd. However how can you compare the intake of a handy jersey cross Fresian to a large Holstein or ordinary Fresian cow. I would imagine that a 100kg difference in weight would be Minimum so intake could be 15% less minimum.

Will think on that and get back to you. The price I posted is for all cows milked here. Its not cherry picked to reflect one group. That's 2 herds one 100% bw and the other is 50% or thereabouts xbred. People here think I have all Jex, I consider a NZ fr on a Hol xbred. I get slagged about runts etc but I suppose they only see what they want. I would expect to have one 100% xbred herd in the near future as it will be 100% run by hired labour

delaval

Pudsey
I started the thread to see what the pattern is over the year. At drying off may be we could post co-op average price and what we actually received

whitebriar

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/agribusiness-and-food/how-the-big-co-ops-plan-to-keep-milking-high-prices-1.1528552

Have a read of that poorly researched article lads.
We all know the drivers of low cost own label milk has always been the multiples,not the farmer or the co-op and we all know who makes the most out of liquid milk and again its neither the farmer or the co-op.

Reading rubbish like the above sure would make you question what else is rubbish in the papers.

RobertKK

whitebriar wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/agribusiness-and-food/how-the-big-co-ops-plan-to-keep-milking-high-prices-1.1528552

Have a read of that poorly researched article lads.
We all know the drivers of low cost own label milk has always been the multiples,not the farmer or the co-op and we all know who makes the most out of liquid milk and again its neither the farmer or the co-op.

Reading rubbish like the above sure would make you question what else is rubbish in the papers.

Yeah, it is like research that he made up in his brain rather than actual real research. Then he got paid for it...

jersey101

delaval wrote: »

Glanbia base 39c inc Vat

We got 44c for aug
BF 4.45
Pr 3.61

Thankfully not too much in the fixed price scheme
On target quota wise, so a bit of management should see us a little over not too bad I think, fingers crossed:):)

you got your check early

Wont have mine till the 18th
Are those figures for the average of augest? Or this week?
Good figures all the same

delaval

jersey101 wrote: »

you got your check early

Wont have mine till the 18th
Are those figures for the average of augest? Or this week?
Good figures all the same

Average for Aug got it online
Yesterday fat 4.8 pro 3.82

whelan1

jersey101 wrote: »

you got your check early

Wont have mine till the 18th
Are those figures for the average of augest? Or this week?
Good figures all the same

available on line from the 16th every month... just need your password and username on agrilink

jersey101

whelan1 wrote: »

available on line from the 16th every month... just need your password and username on agrilink

never knew that.
Chack that later on

eireannBEAR

1.29c per 2 liters of bainne ur.

do the cheaper milks such as strathroy pay less to the farmers than avonmore?

whelan1

jersey101 wrote: »

never knew that.
Chack that later on

when you go in to milk statement post 2012 move the page across and put in your password, took a while for me to cop on

delaval

whitebriar wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/agribusiness-and-food/how-the-big-co-ops-plan-to-keep-milking-high-prices-1.1528552

Have a read of that poorly researched article lads.
We all know the drivers of low cost own label milk has always been the multiples,not the farmer or the co-op and we all know who makes the most out of liquid milk and again its neither the farmer or the co-op.

Reading rubbish like the above sure would make you question what else is rubbish in the papers.

Lazy:mad::mad:

whelan1

eireannBEAR wrote: »

1.29c per 2 liters of bainne ur.

do the cheaper milks such as strathroy pay less to the farmers than avonmore?

its 1.59 for bainne ur in my local shop , next "irish " 2 litre is 1.99 and i think avonmore is 2.49 for 2 litres

jersey101

whelan1 wrote: »

its 1.59 for bainne ur in my local shop , next "irish " 2 litre is 1.99 and i think avonmore is 2.49 for 2 litres

the last few cans of avonmore the mother bought went off a full week before it was out. Not a nice taste when ye go for the glass of milk and toast after milking.

eireannBEAR

whelan1 wrote: »

its 1.59 for bainne ur in my local shop , next "irish " 2 litre is 1.99 and i think avonmore is 2.49 for 2 litres

Irish??? aldi lidl and all the milks are irish arnt they??? im not sure about tesco brand but i know the other supermarket brands are sourced on the island.

whelan1

its funny to see the local shop, bainne ur sells first, then the ndc logo stuff at 1.99 and then the avonmore

slippy wicket

Net milk value 40.4 cpl
Protein 3.50
Butterfat 3.90

Last collection P: 3.66. B: 3.99

Indexed milk price scheme : 32.212
Standard pricing scheme : 39.913

Just shows how bad a deal the indexed scheme is when prices are high.

eireannBEAR

eireannBEAR wrote: »

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do the cheaper milks such as strathroy pay less to the farmers than avonmore?

Answer me!!!! :mad:

delaval

eireannBEAR wrote: »

Answer me!!!! :mad:

I can't answer you as I don't know what Stra are paying. Most of their milk that is sold here is surplus from NI and is discounted here to move out of market