Kess73 wrote: » Plenty more to come . What you just quoted is coming off the back of information alleging (and I am only using that word because everything has not being made public yet) that some members of the police force took money and other items from the dead, dying, and injured that day.
SlickRic wrote: » what's even worse, is that is what many Liverpool fans were accused of doing that and much worse.
Kess73 wrote: » Exactly. People in the media spread that lie, the police spread that lie, and guys like Brian Clough helped to spread it by saying it on tv that day and the next day. Then saying sorry sometime later does noty take away from them spreading that vile shyte in the first place.
Liverpool's Almeria Loanee Suso on Course for Breakout La Liga Season LLiverpool's 19-year-old Spanish youth international Suso is on course for a breakout La Liga season on loan at Almeria. With 95 percent of his games sub-affected under Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers, Suso lacked the cutting edge and was floating through games. This was evident during 2013 FIFA U-20 World Cup where he showed glimpses of skill but he didn't catch the eye as an incisive passer like Bruma of Portugal or Ghana's Frank Acheampong. When you don't have reserve sides playing in level two, three or four of the football pyramid—an aspect seen in German, Spanish and Portuguese football—Suso is one of many Premier League prospects whose development is stunted as they're not quite ready for senior football but are too good for reserve football. A loan spell away from Anfield was needed. When it comes to loaning a Premier League prospect for developmental reasons, it has to be an English club or if a foreign team come into the equation, it's highly preferable the loanee is familiar with the culture and language. The latter reasoning is why Spanish club Almeria were granted a loan for Suso.Getting To Know Suso's Club Almeria Led by 35-year-old rookie manager Francisco, who had a modest playing career and is a former Almeria player. Francisco uses a 4-2-3-1, a formation where Suso swaps flanks with Aleix Vidal. The deep-lying forward is Fernando Soriano who has a knack for winning cheap free-kicks. The No. 9 is Barcelona B loanee Rodri, who's tricky in the box but extremely selfish in constantly ignoring free teammates to take low-percentage shots. Francisco allows the team the creative freedom to push forward which isn't the case at former Liverpool player Nabil El Zhar's club Levante, a team that can't defend and are bereft of ideas in the attacking half. The one prerequisite in Francisco allowing uninhibited attacking freedom is the Almeria players are expected to press like crazy. Why Suso Can Breakout This Season Don't underestimate how crucial confidence correlates to a footballer's performance as explained by Luis Garcia, who played a key role in Liverpool's triumphant 2004-05 UEFA Champions League campaign. "When I was in a bad run of form and everything went badly, that used to cost me a lot of time to recover that confidence," Garcia said, via LFCHistory.com. "Now at those bad moments I attempt to maintain a level of five, an average level." With Suso given the peace of mind that turnovers won't lead to decreased minutes or a benching, he is playing with free rein.Illustrating Suso's Form Suso controls the flighted ball, traps it, holds off Jaume's tackle, spots Rafita's run, turns and plays in the overlapping right-back, who provides an assist for Rodri. This was how Almeria scored their first goal in the 3-2 loss to Villarreal. It was a combination of high football IQ with Suso knowing Cani was out of position and quality executing in threading a perfectly weighted ball for Rafita. Suso's natural ability to beat opposing players off the dribble and his aptitude to masterfully manipulate the ball were on show in the 2-2 draw against Getafe when he completed six dribbles. In 2010, then Liverpool reserve team manager John McMahon stressed Suso's need to work hard without the ball. "We are looking at developing the whole player here," McMahon said, via LiverpoolFC.com. "He needs to know about the discipline and work that's required in a team, like tracking back, tackling and staying with runners." Suso averages 2.3 tackles per league game for Almeria, harasses opponents by snapping at their heels. His effort is in line with Rodgers' viewpoint of attacking and defending in unison. For example, as technically gifted Coutinho is, he averages three tackles per game, more than Jordan Henderson and Jose Enrique, players you'd think would be more prolific tacklers than the jet-heeled Brazilian.What Suso Needs To Improve Suso has a deft first touch, can play defence-splitting through-balls or weave his way past two or three defenders. Why he needs to just send in low-percentage crosses is beyond comprehension. Rodri wins less than 50 percent of challenges in the air and Soriano is often in midfield dictating play, so Suso doesn't need to cross the ball. Three games into the season, he's mi**** 18 of 22 crosses but of the four accurate crosses, one was an assist in a game against Villarreal where he sent in nine inaccurate crosses from 10 attempts.
5live wrote: » I know its scant consolation under the circumstances but Clough was probably repeating what he was told by the police so i personally wouldnt be too hard on him for that. We saw on here not so long ago the results of people believing some
"I will always remain convinced that those Liverpool fans who died were killed by Liverpool people."
"They were drunk. They killed their own,”
Three games into the season, he's mi**** 18 of 22 crosses but of the four accurate crosses, one was an assist in a game against Villarreal where he sent in nine inaccurate crosses from 10 attempts.
Kess73 wrote: » Clough claimed to have seen stuff with his own eyes. It was only years later he started to say that he was mistaken in what he said He was one of the first footy people to come out and accuse the Liverpool supporters of all sorts, and he did it on the day that people died. Comments he then repeated in his book some time later. I harboured a very strong loathing for the man from when I first heard his comments to this day. It was not until 2001 before he retracted his comments and said he was wrong, and don't forget he is the man who in the mid 90's went on tv to say that the Liverpool fans in Hillsborough brought what happened to them onto themselves. Is what is in his book and what he repeated on national tv in 1994. Is what he said on the Clive Anderson show on the BBC in 1994. Bit heartless of him to use the drunk line as a slur on others given his own issues with alcohol. It is not as though he made a heat of the moment comment and then said sorry the next day when he discovered he was wrong. It took him 12 years of saying his vile lying bullsh1t before he decided he saw none of what he claimed he saw. And even that apology was meant to have been one brought about thanks to a threatened boycott of 442 magazine just after Clough joined them, Have no respect whatsoever for him as a man and none whatsoever for his memory. He did not give a damn about little things like truth, or tarring folk as killers as long as it gave him a chance to stand in front of a camera and pedal his bitter liitle soundbytes. Maybe it boosted his ego to belittle the dead and those they left behind. Who knows what went through his mind, personally I think it was just desperate attention seeking in order to use the dead to help push the sales of his book. When I hear the man's name I never think of any of his footballing achievements, I simply here the name of a man who lied about the dead and lied about those who survived that day, a man who kept his lies going for over a decade. He is only a small fish liar when one looks at the bigger picture, but to someone who was a kid looking at images happening live on a tv set and who was wondering where in that crowd his dad and uncle were, his name will never be met with anything other than cold disdain.
5live wrote: » Ah. I didnt know he said he saw it himself. Thanks for clearing that up. It certainly changed my perspective on the man.
“I will always remain convinced that those Liverpool fans who died were killed by Liverpool people.”
“They were drunk. They killed their own,”
rarnes1 wrote: » Clough He's as low as they come. I'd say more but I'd get a ban
atilladehun wrote: » Swansea have a game on the Thursday after ours? That's harsh. Can't knock a good bit of luck!
Kess73 wrote: » To be honest, people's perspective on the man will vary and I completely understand that, and would not fall out with anyone who rated him because of his time with Derby or Forest.
Courtesy Flush wrote: » Nigel Clough played for Liverpool. Never seemed to be an issue
Gbear wrote: » Is that part of the reason for some of the older generation not liking Forest? Just can't understand that kind of ****. I can understand being wrong but I can't understand sounding so intransigent about something so horrible.
Nuri Sahin wrote: » Kono once again was my MOTM v England, different level to all out there. Made Walker look daft over and over again. Walker is one of the quickest RB's around and he couldn't keep up for the most part. Damn shame himself (Kono) and his tag team partner Yarmolenko don't have Sheva in his peak playing ahead of them, they'd have won by a couple if they did IMO.
Nuri Sahin wrote: » https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fiMje89l1I
Grayditch wrote: » Not sure if serious, but there's a mute button on the video itself.
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