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The iPhone 5s and 5c

leemaree

Looks like it's near ;
http://www.product-reviews.net/2013/08/17/iphone-5s-and-5c-release-date-will-be-in-sept/

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IRLConor

efb wrote: »

I think the high price is to maintain the marque it has established for itself. People pay for the brand and don't like seeing it devalued.

It's more likely at a high price to maintain the per-device profit margins that Apple usually enjoys.

I don't know of any product that Apple has ever sold at a reduced profit margin in order to gain market share. There was a great analysis done years ago about the laptop market (I can't find a link right now). Apple at the time had a tiny fraction of unit sales but made more profit than all the other sellers combined.

In the smartphone world they're a bit more nuanced in their approach since they know that market share translates into better long term App Store and iTunes revenue but unless I'm very much mistaken they're still keen on making a profit per device before the app purchases start rolling in.

That's why I think the iPhone 5C is not as cheap as people were hoping. I think people were thinking "make cheap iPhone, capture more market" but Apple were thinking "reduce manufacturing cost, make more money".

miralize

I laughed

whiterebel

murpho999 wrote: »

Why are people so convinced that the Lumia is the big threat.

They have not done well at all.

People go on here as if iPhone has been a disaster for last few years and ignore that it sells in huge numbers.

Also, stock price reaction today is no indication of how successful a product will be.

There are some names that you only ever see here trolling after Apple events.

Gumbo

efb wrote: »

I think the high price is to maintain the marque it has established for itself. People pay for the brand and don't like seeing it devalued.

In fairness, i dont see Samsung dropping the price of the S5 when its released.

miralize

Anyone want to venture a guess as to when the phones are coming to Ireland? Before December 2013 is a bit too vague for my liking

efb

I think the high price is to maintain the marque it has established for itself. People pay for the brand and don't like seeing it devalued.

Frank Lee Midere

andrewdeerpark wrote: »

I never believe that story, that is classic Apple creating a surge with pent up demand and generating queues of people and media interest. Every phone shop I was in the last month was stocked to the hilt with the iPhone 5.

Apple doesn't do that. They get a much greater stock increase by selling more stuff. Nor are they selling more iPhones then they can build. That's not true. It's only true on releases. And I don't see the 5S as having any issues on supply because it doesn't bring much to the table. That biometric scanner might have been great if it did more than scan.

As an iOS fan I don't get why apple fans don't want cheaper devices. Apple seem to forget they are in a platform war. Android has 80% loyalty - less than the iPhone but high. New customers who move to android will mostly stay there.

And why have a new range of phones of you are just replicating the tired old strategy of this years model, last years model and the year before's model. Except last years model now has nasty plastic.

If they had got rid of the 4S and priced the lower end iPhone 5C at 399 ( still more expensive than the lumina) it would sell like gangbusters. To produce a teenage friendly phone with entry level prices of 550 is madness.

seamus

andrewdeerpark wrote: »

A truly cheap iPhone, for say €250 euro simfree.

Yep. When I saw the $99 contract price for the 5C, I honestly thought we were looking at the release of a €200/€250 phone. Looks like it's just bluster, it's a painted iPhone 5, so the product lineup remains effectively unchanged from previous releases.

At the higher end; NFC, wireless charging

Apple still aren't betting on the NFC, and it's easy to see why, since NFC is in general still a niche and unknown technology.
Apple make devices for the general population, not for tech geeks.

There's also the argument that Apple don't do new technologies well. They succeed when they implement proven and well known technologies. When they introduce technology that's not established or well known, they don't tend to do quite so well. Siri is the most recent example of this.

NFC implementation isn't yet in the place when the end-user can just turn it on and it works, like WiFi. It's not mature enough for that, yet. Hence why Apple don't implement.

The same is probably true of wireless charging, though I don't know if wireless charging is being hyped more than it needs to. Is it really that much easier? In addition, the main draw of wireless charging is standards. If everyone builds to the same standard then you can have wireless charging all over the place. Apple don't do industry standards unless they don't have a choice. The Qi standard is still new enough that Apple don't have to adopt it by default, but then it's just Apple out on their own with their own wireless charging standard.

It'll come along eventually, but again it's not seen as something established enough to warrant inclusion. Lots of devices now claim to support wireless charging, but they all still come with a USB cable in the box, not a charging mat.

quad_red

An interesting take from Engadget;

In my estimation, this is Apple's attempt to make the iPhone lively again. After six years, a certain amount of fatigue has set in. The "throw colors at it" approach has worked beautifully for Apple in the past. The company's sauced up a variety of previous iPod products with new hues, and remember: this is the company that once offered socks in a variety of colors. The iPhone 5c isn't for feature phone users in emerging markets. It's also not for the spec hounds who will be buying an iPhone 5s regardless. By and large, it's a marketing tool to get the masses to pay attention to the iPhone name. Mark my words -- the first prime-time iPhone ads you'll see following today's event will not highlight the iPhone 5s; Apple's already planning to sell one of those to almost every iPhone 5 owner. What you'll see instead are buckets of paint, upbeat music and a revitalized theme surrounding the word iPhone.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/10/apples-iphone-5c-isnt-low-cost/

And wired:

Though the faster, sleeker, more powerful phone is unarguably cool, the steps forward are still incremental. And incremental isn’t what the world expects from Apple. Steve Jobs’ death wasn’t an event of worldwide significance because he could craft better spec sheets. Apple’s brand is synonymous with vision, a corporate identity that was once its greatest asset. Now that asset has become a liability.

http://www.wired.com/business/2013/09/apple-annoucements/

Xavi6

sarkozy wrote: »

There's still 4's going around.

Open to correction but I think it's only an 8gig 4S being kept on.

You could grab a second hand 5 though of course from someone upgrading.

sarkozy

Xavi6 wrote: »

The 5 is discontinued, gonski.

There's still 4's going around.

Xavi6

sarkozy wrote: »

But I'm broke, so I'm hoping the iPhone 5 comes down in price between now and Christmas so I can upgrade to that, which is fine by me.

The 5 is discontinued, gonski.

sarkozy

I'm an Apple user and currently have a Samsung Galaxy I (in need of an upgrade). If it wasn't for the dirt poor integration between OS and Android (you can't even upgrade the firmware using Samsung's OS X program and zero music functionality), I might stick with Android as I think it's better than iOS. But because of the integration and the fact that I feel handicapped by not having my computer talk to my phone, I need to upgrade to an iPhone.

But I'm broke, so I'm hoping the iPhone 5 comes down in price between now and Christmas so I can upgrade to that, which is fine by me.

People get very heated when discussing these things. They're just tools.

However, I can't help but feel disappointed about this release. Apple does seem to be in the doldrums. They seem caught in a bit of a pincer movement. Jobs is gone and people are worrying there aren't any new 'big ideas' in the pipeline which could boost their market share or open up an entirely new product niche. In addition to that, they're losing ground rapidly in emerging markets, and clearly, they're going after that.

The sum total of this is a potential crisis for Apple - they trade on being an expensive product. Bringing down the price too much without differentiating meaningfully will work against Apple because, frankly, there are better phones out there, but the advantage can also be (for many) entering the 'OS X/iOS ecosystem' for its practical merits.

It's interesting times ahead for Apple, anyway.

Now, Irish networks: gimmie my phone!

Zcott

AntiVirus wrote: »

With all the posts defending of the price of the iPhone 5C, I haven't seen any posts saying they're going to get one or upgrade to one?

I suspect most people on here are Apple enthusiasts and will pay for the 5S.

andrewdeerpark

poolboy
A truly cheap iPhone, for say €250 euro simfree.

At the higher end; NFC, wireless charging and advancements in the camera like the Lumia 1020.

AntiVirus

With all the posts defending of the price of the iPhone 5C, I haven't seen any posts saying they're going to get one or upgrade to one?

AntiVirus

Ivefoundgod wrote: »

Well, glad I didn't skip soccer training for that. Fairly disappointed although I suppose I shouldn't have expected more. Anyone know how much I could get a iPhone 5 for now that they're discontinued? Presumably there's still a lot of stock somewhere?

I'd say the iPhone 5 would be a better buy than the iPhone 5C, it should be cheaper and looks a lot better then the 5C. The only difference I can see is the camera in the iPhone 5C is slightly better. I don't know why they even bothered with the iPhone 5C? I guess they can make it cheaper than the current iPhone 5 and therefore reduce the selling price but they didn't.

[Deleted User]

Re all the "disappointed with that" comments as a non techie just wondering what were ye expecting innovation wise.

Backfire

I hope to get the 5S when i renew my contract in november.

why?...not sure....just prefer iphone to android phones. Never used a windows phone.

I currently use a 4S, just love it, has served me well over the past 2 years.

Ivefoundgod

Well, glad I didn't skip soccer training for that. Fairly disappointed although I suppose I shouldn't have expected more. Anyone know how much I could get a iPhone 5 for now that they're discontinued? Presumably there's still a lot of stock somewhere?

andrewdeerpark

To be fair it, 5S, has a better processor, camera, flash and 64-bit processing. Will cost £80 STG more, no word on Irish prices I think yet.

Here is a good review:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/10/apple_iphone_5c_and_5s/?page=1

Alpha Dog 1

So apart from a different processor and a fingerprint reader in the 5S is there anything else that differentiates it from the iPhone 5?

Am I right in saying that it is more expensive than the 5 also?

eggy81

Piliger wrote: »

Are you ? Don't you realise that the margin on those phones is miniscule whereas the profits on the Apple devices are huge ? yet you cannot grasp why Apple does not get involved in that end of the market ....

I really don't give a hoot about any of these companies. I've moved from android to apple last gen and find them both to have distinct advantages over each other. I'm just worried that you take people's complaints against the extortionate price point that apple place on frankly run of the mill tech a little disturbing and was wondering if you are handling it all ok. That's all.

andrewdeerpark

murpho999 wrote: »

Good measurement as no one buys iPhones a month before launch of a new one.

Are you qualifying your original statement so?

andrewdeerpark

murpho999 wrote: »

Why are people so convinced that the Lumia is the big threat.

They have not done well at all.

People go on here as if iPhone has been a disaster for last few years and ignore that it sells in huge numbers.

Also, stock price reaction today is no indication of how successful a product will be.

Lumia 520 is about €180 to buy simfree its fast, reliable and unlike low end Android devices it feels a quality product. Use one and you will see.

murpho999

andrewdeerpark wrote: »

I never believe that story, that is classic Apple creating a surge with pent up demand and generating queues of people and media interest. Every phone shop I was in the last month was stocked to the hilt with the iPhone 5.

Good measurement as no one buys iPhones a month before launch of a new one.

andrewdeerpark

Piliger wrote: »

So why is it that Apple can sell more iPhones than they can manufacture ?

I never believe that story, that is classic Apple creating a surge with pent up demand and generating queues of people and media interest. Every phone shop I was in the last month was stocked to the hilt with the iPhone 5.

Piliger

andrewdeerpark wrote: »

iPod is a throw away commoditized music player not a premium product anymore, even Apple accepts that fact.

Less people can waste 600euros (or their abouts) on a shiny iPhone every year. Volume counts especially since the smartphone is rapidly dropping in price and the technological gap between the low and high end devices narrows while the price gap stays the same, long term that will hurt Apple; people (outside the usual Apple fanatical fans) will soon see through the extortion of Apple prices.

So why is it that Apple can sell more iPhones than they can manufacture ?

murpho999

andrewdeerpark wrote: »

What about the iPod and all its low end flavors and even the iPad Mini?

We were expecting an iPod type low end iPhone it did not happen and the Google Nexus 4 and Nokia Lumia's 520 / 620 have a clear run on the Christmas market.

Why are people so convinced that the Lumia is the big threat.

They have not done well at all.

People go on here as if iPhone has been a disaster for last few years and ignore that it sells in huge numbers.

Also, stock price reaction today is no indication of how successful a product will be.

Piliger

eggy81 wrote: »

Are you ok?

Are you ? Don't you realise that the margin on those phones is miniscule whereas the profits on the Apple devices are huge ? yet you cannot grasp why Apple does not get involved in that end of the market ....