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Mural in East Belfast of George Best to be replaced by UVF gunman

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Work is underway to replace the Best mural, which was painted around three years ago at Inverwood Court in Sydenham.

The mural was originally funded by European money as part of a regeneration project managed by Belfast City Council to tackle sectarianism.

The new painting shows a UVF gunman, along with a Martin Luther King quote, which states: 'Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed'.

A council spokesman said: "In 2010, Belfast City Council, as part of the council's PEACE III project 'Tackling the Physical Manifestations of Sectarianism', provided £1,500 towards the material costs of a mural in memory of George Best.

"This mural replaced an old UVF mural and was welcomed by the community at the time.

"There was no stipulation, relating to the granting of funding for the original project, as to how long the mural had to remain in place.
"The council was unaware of any plans to replace it."

http://www.u.tv/News/Best-mural-replaced-with-UVF-gunman/c05eac9c-0729-4e41-be20-bf70dc6aa5de

So another non-sectarian mural is being replaced by a masked UVF gunman in east Belfast. I'm not getting the Martin Luther King quote though, why place a man who dedicated his life to peace and who believed in non-violent protest next man holding a machine gun?

Anyway although a senior PUP man has condemned it, there appears to be a lot of support for it on loyalist forums and facebook pages. Apparantly it represents 'the tension' and 'current mood' that is felt in east belfast regarding the flag protests. Anger basically.

There's a lot of support for paramilitaries in East Belfast still, people who are regarded as heroes to the local community. Did the UVF actually kill many IRA men? I guess if they did that would have been fair game but I get the impression most of the time they just killed random drunk taigs and entering pubs and shooting innocent catholics watching football matches. :rolleyes:

Oh and George Best isn't that popular with some loyalists on forums of course because he famously wanted a UI football team and played for the so called "English Celtic".

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timthumbni

mad muffin wrote: »

Serious question.

I'm planing to go up to Victoria Square in Belfast in a few weeks when the new iPhone comes out.

Is it safe to do so? I've gone up in 2010 and 2011 without a seconds thought but there has been a lot of **** kicked up of late, no?

You will be fine. Whenever they try to sell you the Union Jack iphone case as an extra make sure you say yes or else all bets are off.

I've lost count of how many times the ruffians of Victoria Square have found out people this way and they ended up being beaten senseless in the Apple Genius Bar. Loads of hipster loyalists drink in there. It's like a shebeen. ;-)

You can also get mugged in the clothes shops as well. One of them forced a mate of mine to hand over 200 quid for a t shirt.

ONeill2013

Saab Ed wrote: »

BIg digger, large trench, bye bye. Since our earliest written history its always been the most troublesome part of the island. Different people's these days I'm afraid, might as well be Welsh or Bretons. One shared past but not much in common today. I rue the day the metal barricade border crossings came down.

well done, there's always one who starts with the 'floating off to sea' crap. weren't most of the Viking battles fought outside of Ulster?

ONeill2013

mad muffin wrote: »

Serious question.

I'm planing to go up to Victoria Square in Belfast in a few weeks when the new iPhone comes out.

Is it safe to do so? I've gone up in 2010 and 2011 without a seconds thought but there has been a lot of **** kicked up of late, no?

no you will be hounded down by men with swords and armour and pinned to a wooden cross. of course it's safe, if the people weren't safe they would have all emigrated by now.

razorblunt

Anything to be said for some Puma Pride?

SoulandForm

awec wrote: »

There was an IRA parade in Tyrone recently. Does that mean that Tyrone is a paramilitary supporting hole? Of course not. I think a bit of common sense and courtesy should be used and perhaps even a bit of honesty when it comes to creating these threads - rather than sensationalist tripe that only seeks to mislead.

Its safe to say that a lot of people in Tyrone think that the Provisional campaign was either totally justified or are at least very ambigous about it. Look at the amount of votes PSF who organized the Castledearg parade get there. Similarly look at the massive turn out that the UVF managed to get for their parade to commemorate the founding of the original UVF got recently. Im afraid that the actual sensationalist tripe is coming from people who want to persuade themselves and others that the GFA solved everything.

Karl Stein

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

A loyalist para-military group threatened to take action against children attending 3 catholic schools in North Belfast.

Fucking hell.

SoulandForm

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Its the young generation who don't remember the troubles in east Belfast who are stirring this up again.

Mostly teenagers where there is massive unemployment etc.

Senior loyalist politicians have no control or sway over these as evident from the flag issues.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/parade-discussions-marked-by-tough-talking-and-twitter-jibes-29553533.html

Whatever you might think of him if Jackie McDonald is pushed out than a very dangerous situation would than exist with the UDA and the UVF competing with each other to be hard men.

My name is URL

ONeill2013 wrote: »

at least it's not another Irish mythology 'loyalist' mural

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4013/4547898304_fff823ba56_z.jpg

Today I learned that Cúchulainn was a Mongolian

mad muffin

timthumbni wrote: »

You will be fine. Whenever they try to sell you the Union Jack iphone case as an extra make sure you say yes or else all bets are off.

I've lost count of how many times the ruffians of Victoria Square have found out people this way and they ended up being beaten senseless in the Apple Genius Bar. Loads of hipster loyalists drink in there. It's like a shebeen. ;-)

You can also get mugged in the clothes shops as well. One of them forced a mate of mine to hand over 200 quid for a t shirt.

ONeill2013 wrote: »

no you will be hounded down by men with swords and armour and pinned to a wooden cross. of course it's safe, if the people weren't safe they would have all emigrated by now.

Thanks guys. I fell much better now. The news made it look like dowtown Damascus.

Saab Ed

ONeill2013 wrote: »

well done, there's always one who starts with the 'floating off to sea' crap. weren't most of the Viking battles fought outside of Ulster?

Who cares, that was thousands of years ago. Move bloody on, sort **** out. This stuff will never end. Northies are incapable of sorting it out despite gazillions being invested , both sides are to blame. Its a black hole in my mind, can't stand the place.

Karl Stein

Saab Ed wrote: »

Who cares, that was thousands of years ago. Move bloody on, sort **** out. This stuff will never end. Northies are incapable of sorting it out despite gazillions being invested , both sides are to blame. Its a black hole in my mind, can't stand the place.

You Sir are a peacemaker-genius in our time.

Here's hoping someone in a position of power will find you and unleash your peacemaking talents on the world.

Saab Ed

Charlie Rock wrote: »

You Sir are a peacemaker-genius in our time.

You can fling a thousand peace makers at the North. Their under developed attitudes towards humanity are incapable of reason or the resolve/ self discipline to rectify their problems.

Karl Stein

Saab Ed wrote: »

You can fling a thousand peace makers at the North. Their under developed attitudes towards humanity are incapable of reason or the resolve/ self discipline to rectify their problems.

I see. You were either drunk, asleep or down a well for the entire 1990's.

Fair enough.

ONeill2013

Saab Ed wrote: »

Who cares, that was thousands of years ago. Move bloody on, sort **** out. This stuff will never end. Northies are incapable of sorting it out despite gazillions being invested , both sides are to blame. Its a black hole in my mind, can't stand the place.

actually it was just 1000 years ago. you were the one who brought up ancient history in your post and now you're the one telling people to move on? If can't stand the place then please don't comment on this thread and let the people who do care about the place discuss the matter.

Saab Ed

Charlie Rock wrote: »

I see. You were either drunk, asleep or down a well for the entire 1990's.

Fair enough.

Oh its all sorted is it! Sorry bout that, my mistake.

.....till they all fire up again.

Karl Stein

Saab Ed wrote: »

Oh its all sorted is it! Sorry bout that, my mistake.

.....till they all fire up again.

Not just a peacemaker but a fortune teller too?

We're out of our depth here with a person of your innumerable gifts.

Saab Ed

Charlie Rock wrote: »

Not just a peacemaker but a fortune teller too?

We're out of our depth here with a person of your innumerable gifts.

Have you read the entire thread or have you just joined us late? Its already started.

Saab Ed

ONeill2013 wrote: »

actually it was just 1000 years ago. you were the one who brought up ancient history in your post and now you're the one telling people to move on? If can't stand the place then please don't comment on this thread and let the people who do care about the place discuss the matter.

Ah I see. Fine for you to comment, not for me. Sounds like northern politics alright. I'd love to make no comment at all about the place if it didn't keep popping up in my day to day life like the taxes I pay to subsidize the hell hole, cause disturbances down south involving subversives related to the ****e up north and finally relaying to people overseas that all that ****e (still on going) has nothing to do with country I'm from. When the north pisses off out of my life then I'll gladly forget about it.

Karl Stein

Saab Ed wrote: »

Ah I see. Fine for you to comment, not for me. Sounds like northern politics alright. I'd love to make no comment at all about the place if it didn't keep popping up in my day to day life like the taxes I pay to subsidize the hell hole, cause disturbances down south involving subversives related to the ****e up north and finally relaying to people overseas that all that ****e (still on going) has nothing to do with country I'm from. When the north pisses off out of my life then I'll gladly forget about it.

The Troubles have been especially hard on you it seems.

Saab Ed

Charlie Rock wrote: »

The Troubles have been especially hard on you it seems.

No they haven't and I'd like to keep it that way .

Thank you.

I don't know why you reference 'the troubles' though as if it was the source of all evil. Its been thousands of years where there's always been a problem up there. This crap didn't start in 1969. It certainly didn't end with Bono singing in Belfast

Karl Stein

Saab Ed wrote: »

there's always been a problem up there

Welcome to planet Earth. Enjoy your stay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g

Saab Ed

Charlie Rock wrote: »

Welcome to planet Earth. Enjoy your stay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g

Like the song title. Ever the victim, always someone else to blame. Sort your **** and get back to us when you're ready to join us in humanity.

Karl Stein

Saab Ed wrote: »

Like the song title. Ever the victim, always someone else to blame. Sort your **** and get back to us when you're ready to join us in humanity.

*whoosh*

ONeill2013

Saab Ed wrote: »

Ah I see. Fine for you to comment, not for me. Sounds like northern politics alright. I'd love to make no comment at all about the place if it didn't keep popping up in my day to day life like the taxes I pay to subsidize the hell hole, cause disturbances down south involving subversives related to the ****e up north and finally relaying to people overseas that all that ****e (still on going) has nothing to do with country I'm from. When the north pisses off out of my life then I'll gladly forget about it.

well the violence has nothing to do with me either, i've never had any involvement with violence so if you want me to apologise or take personal blame for events down south you'll be waiting a while

Saab Ed

Charlie Rock wrote: »

*whoosh*

Next in the irrational line to be dispatched please ....

Karl Stein

Saab Ed wrote: »

Next in the irrational line to be dispatched please ....

I'm afraid I've neither the talent nor patience to help you 'get it'.

mfceiling

Saab Ed wrote: »

Next in the irrational line to be dispatched please ....

Have you ever been to the north?

I was born there and lived there for 25 years....did i see much of the troubles? No...most of the people there live peacefully and normally and it's just the scum in sectarian housing estates that get off on causing mayhem.

I pay tax in the south now and i'm sure some of it goes towards things like the regeneration of limerick and ballymun....do i wish they would fcuk off or do i live with it like everyone else?

Crooked Jack

Loyalists continue to attempt to ratchet up tensions with this grammatically hilarious threat to carry out "military action" against three catholic schools on monday.

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/regional/police-investigating-loyalist-threat-to-catholic-school-pupils-1-5468195

While these lunatics no doubt only represent a small minority of the unionist/loyalist community, the really terrifying thing is that even the Newsletter could find a unionist politician or (stifle your giggles) community leader, to come out and condemn this.
Hopefully we'll hear from them soon.

Karl Stein

Sense has prevailed and work on the mural has stopped. Good to see a bit of positive leadership (I'm presuming by the PUP) make those who wanted a new UVF mural reconsider.

timthumbni

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Loyalists continue to attempt to ratchet up tensions with this grammatically hilarious threat to carry out "military action" against three catholic schools on monday.

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/regional/police-investigating-loyalist-threat-to-catholic-school-pupils-1-5468195

While these lunatics no doubt only represent a small minority of the unionist/loyalist community, the really terrifying thing is that even the Newsletter could find a unionist politician or (stifle your giggles) community leader, to come out and condemn this.
Hopefully we'll hear from them soon.

Was there not a bomb scare or device in west Belfast yesterday? Was that loyalists or republicans? Or is is not known?