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marco_polo

Danger781 wrote: »

Found error within 3 minutes after two different tests :-\

Which test suite? Small FFT?

raymix

Danger781 wrote: »

Found error within 3 minutes after two different tests :-\

your air cooler should hold 4.5Ghz no problem, anything over that would require some tweaks, especially with that mobo (I've got exact same CPU and mobo).
Guess you should open a thread and point out your current OC settings and VRM profile, i'd post mine for comparison, if it helps

Danger781

BloodBath wrote: »

Do you have it overclocked at all?

Not my CPU, no. I do have my GPU(s) overclocked.

marco_polo wrote: »

Which test suite? Small FFT?

Using OCCT 64-bit large data set w/ 16 threads

raymix wrote: »

your air cooler should hold 4.5Ghz no problem, anything over that would require some tweaks, especially with that mobo (I've got exact same CPU and mobo).
Guess you should open a thread and point out your current OC settings and VRM profile, i'd post mine for comparison, if it helps

I might open up a thread in overclocking forum if I can't figure this out

Edit: This may or may not be relevant but over the last few days I've been having some pretty bad crashing issues when playing battlefield 3. Just recently started playing it due to the humble bundle. Once in awhile my screen would go black, but people would still be able to hear me over skype for a little while, and then silence forcing me to reboot, or it would restart itself. It was working fine for a few games, then it crashed. Figured my graphics card OC was too high so I dropped it a little. Had 1130 / 1575 and dropped it 1100 / 1400. Crashed again so I got frustrated and haven't tried since. Had graphics settings up to high but didn't seem to be lagging at all.

Monotype

Often when it hangs at the start like that, it can be a driver issue too.

raymix

Large data set also takes lots of RAM into stress test, it does not let you rule out CPU as being responsible for this, but it is weird you get an error right away. Also those temps are rather high for stock. Hope you are not using high VRM profile for stocks, it generates more heat.
Did you under/overvolt stock?

marco_polo

raymix wrote: »

Large data set also takes lots of RAM into stress test, it does not let you rule out CPU as being responsible for this, but it is weird you get an error right away. Also those temps are rather high for stock. Hope you are not using high VRM profile for stocks, it generates more heat.
Did you under/overvolt stock?

Yeah with large data set couldn't rule out slight memory controller/CPU-NB instabiliy. First step I think is to run the small tests to rule out the CPU cores themselves.

Danger781

raymix wrote: »

Large data set also takes lots of RAM into stress test, it does not let you rule out CPU as being responsible for this, but it is weird you get an error right away. Also those temps are rather high for stock. Hope you are not using high VRM profile for stocks, it generates more heat.
Did you under/overvolt stock?

I thought my temps were fairly reasonable.. CPU idles at about 33 degrees or so, which seems fair to me. Under 100% load with 100% fan speed it was 59.

I don't know what a VRM profile is. I haven't touched my CPU settings at all. I've changed nothing in the BIOS or anything to do with my CPU. This was the initial test to see if it is stable before tweaking it.

marco_polo wrote: »

Yeah with large data set couldn't rule out slight memory controller/CPU-NB instabiliy. First step I think is to run the small tests to rule out the CPU cores themselves.

Thanks for the advice. I'll try there in a minute, or maybe tomorrow morning depending how tired I get in the next few minutes

Danger781

marco_polo wrote: »

Yeah with large data set couldn't rule out slight memory controller/CPU-NB instabiliy. First step I think is to run the small tests to rule out the CPU cores themselves.

Small data set test #1 Error Occured after 01:30

Small data set test #2 Error Detected on Core #0 after 01:31

Small data set test #3 Error Occured after 01:23

Baked.noodle

Have you got the latest bios/uefi for your board?

Danger781

OCCT tells me my CPU is running at 4.3 Ghz even though I haven't touched it. Surely it should be 4.0?

Baked.noodle wrote: »

Have you got the latest bios/uefi for your board?

I do not. I am running the third latest version.

Baked.noodle

Is there some kind of Turbo mode you have overlooked in your bios?

Baked.noodle

I don't know if this is any use but have a look:

http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/motherboards/31671-asus-m5a99fxpro-r2?start=3

TPU

A second microprocessor, dedicated for automatic system tuning, is embedded in the ASUS M5A99FX Pro R2.0 called TPU. The system automatically adjusts settings to an overclocked and stable state. This feature is also accessible in software mode through ASUS TurboV EVO easy overclocking tool for a single-click auto-system level up. The TPU not only allows a finer configuration of voltage control beyond the ability of any existing controllers, the real-time detection of the exact voltage reading are also made available through it. This is especially essential for overclocking purposes, ensuring the added on voltage can be minimized, whether it is for manual or automatic overclocking purposes. The TPU is connected to both the SMBUS and the CPU directly, to control the behavior of the rest of the system.

raymix

Sorry, I'm out of ideas.
I'd suggest only relying on CPU-Z to watch Mhz, so far I've noticed it's the only program that shows most accurate speeds and voltages associated to it. Regarding the weird 4.3Ghz - did you install any Asus crapware that came with Motherboard installation CD? Anything to do with overclocking should be only done manually and from BIOS one step at a time.
Friend of mine messaged me on FB asking why his i5-2500k is running at 4.5Ghz and voltage is red at 1.45. He was using some auto tuners that came with CD and was literary killing his processor.

It could also be 4.2nnn rounded to 4.3Ghz by an application. FX-8350 comes with Turbo on stock settings that puts your CPU to 1.4Ghz on idle and 4.2Ghz at full load. Usually sticks around at 4.0Ghz-4.1Ghz while doing light stuff.

Danger781

raymix wrote: »

Sorry, I'm out of ideas.
I'd suggest only relying on CPU-Z to watch Mhz, so far I've noticed it's the only program that shows most accurate speeds and voltages associated to it. Regarding the weird 4.3Ghz - did you install any Asus crapware that came with Motherboard installation CD? Anything to do with overclocking should be only done manually and from BIOS one step at a time.
Friend of mine messaged me on FB asking why his i5-2500k is running at 4.5Ghz and voltage is red at 1.45. He was using some auto tuners that came with CD and was literary killing his processor.

It could also be 4.2nnn rounded to 4.3Ghz by an application. FX-8350 comes with Turbo on stock settings that puts your CPU to 1.4Ghz on idle and 4.2Ghz at full load. Usually sticks around at 4.0Ghz-4.1Ghz while doing light stuff.

I didn't install anything from ASUS other than monitoring tools (Fan Xpert, Probe II, etc.)

I could have easily accidentally changed something in the BIOS that I don't recall doing. I'll go take a look. :rolleyes:

Danger781

Danger781 wrote: »

I could have easily accidentally changed something in the BIOS that I don't recall doing. I'll go take a look. :rolleyes:

Turns out I did. Seems like I must have accidentally enabled something because certain settings had changed from stock which made my CPU run at 4.3GHz and my RAM at a little over 1400Mhz instead of 1600Mhz.. Now running OCCT at stock settings for 17 minutes.. Still running at a little under 60 degrees though which seems a little high after doing some research.. I really don't want to have to reseat my processor and reapply paste for the third time :-\

Ran it for 30 minutes and all seems good.. I felt that was probably long enough for stock settings @ 8 threads.

raymix

Default bus speed should be 200Mhz

This is where you start upping multiplier and fiddle around with voltages when overclocking.

However there's a bus overclocking method, too. But it involves stabilizing NB voltages and some little more advanced knowledge about other related settings.

On a related note, are you using pea method when applying thermal grease? Spreading it yourself contaminates grease and creates air bubbles, reducing heat conductivity.

Let me take a screenshot of my stock settings.

Danger781

raymix wrote: »

Default bus speed should be 200Mhz This is where you start upping multiplier and fiddle around with voltages when overclocking.

However there's a bus overclocking method, too. But it involves stabilizing NB voltages and some little more advanced knowledge about other related settings.

On a related note, are you using pea method when applying thermal grease? Spreading it yourself contaminates grease and creates air bubbles, reducing heat conductivity.

Let me take a screenshot of my stock settings.

Yeah that had been increased to 216 iirc, as well as something else. I actually can't remember. Apparently my short term memory doesn't function without coffee. :rolleyes:

I did use the pea method yes.. but, long story short, it ended up being a messy situation so I can't be 100% sure I set it perfectly. Sigh.. I should probably buy some rubbing alcohol, clean it off, and try again..

Watercooling sounds so appealing right now.

BloodBath

Your temps are fine. I wouldn't bother reseating. Badly placed thermal paste is going to account for 1-2c max. How's your case airflow?

8350's are hot processors. You still have 20c to play around with for overclocking.

Danger781

BloodBath wrote: »

Your temps are fine. I wouldn't bother reseating. Badly placed thermal paste is going to account for 1-2c max. How's your case airflow?

8350's are hot processors. You still have 20c to play around with for overclocking.

Thanks BloodBath. Just from reading around online a lot of people seem to barely be reaching 50 degrees in Prime95 while I'm pushing 60.

Decent enough. Two front intakes. One side intake. One back exhaust. One top exhaust. Have space for another top fan or bottom fan. I actually have a spare fan lying around so could put that in.

Usually have CPU cooler set to about 50% speed as it is unbearably loud after that.

BloodBath

Well comparing it others is a bit pointless unless they have identical setups. The Frio isn't exactly a great cooler either.

Which model is it? Your temps look normal to me anyway.

Danger781

BloodBath wrote: »

Well comparing it others is a bit pointless unless they have identical setups. The Frio isn't exactly a great cooler either.

Which model is it? Your temps look normal to me anyway.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Thermaltake/Frio/

This one

raymix

Couldn't get usb to work for screenshots, here's crappy quality pics from phone camera:

Stock:
Profiles, volts, VRM

Here's screenshot of CPU-Z

OC 4.5 on air:
Profiles, volts, VRM

See if that helps. Both settings runs 24/7 stable for me. Yes I know chips are different, but stock settings should normally be the same.

Adding to temps topic - I've noticed 2 kinds of temps - Core temps and Socket temps. Socket temps are usually the higher ones, but core temps are what I was looking at and when those hits 65 I'd get BSOD. On idle core would stay around 11 degrees and socket around 20-30. Go figure.

I mention VRM setting because it's that new technology thing that lets you undervolt your OC at a cost of higher heat. Simply put when you have a good cooler, it gives you more OC headroom before going over recommended volts.

Danger781

raymix wrote: »

Couldn't get usb to work for screenshots, here's crappy quality pics from phone camera:

Stock:
Profiles, volts, VRM

Here's screenshot of CPU-Z

OC 4.5 on air:
Profiles, volts, VRM

See if that helps. Both settings runs 24/7 stable for me. Yes I know chips are different, but stock settings should normally be the same.

Adding to temps topic - I've noticed 2 kinds of temps - Core temps and Socket temps. Socket temps are usually the higher ones, but core temps are what I was looking at and when those hits 65 I'd get BSOD. On idle core would stay around 11 degrees and socket around 20-30. Go figure.

I mention VRM setting because it's that new technology thing that lets you undervolt your OC at a cost of higher heat. Simply put when you have a good cooler, it gives you more OC headroom before going over recommended volts.

Thanks for those. I know mine are a little different but I'll have a look in a minute.

I did notice though, that your CPU-Z screenshot says you're idling at 1.4Ghz with a multiplier of 7.0

At idle, mine stays at 4.0Ghz and 20.0 multiplier. Never drops.

Sarz91

Anyone been playing that Star Citizen? How is it? Saw NTMK mention some required specs. Looking at picking it up.

NTMK

Sarz91 wrote: »

Anyone been playing that Star Citizen? How is it? Saw NTMK mention some required specs. Looking at picking it up.

ill be picking it up depending on what the gameplay is like

i also like the look of EVE Valkyrie which should be sweet with the rift

Sarz91

NTMK wrote: »

ill be picking it up depending on what the gameplay is like

i also like the look of EVE Valkyrie which should be sweet with the rift

I've only really seen hangar footage. Looks interesting though. Normally stick to FPS so bit of a change for me.

ED E

I'm a backer(who's highly considering upping his pledge).

ZeroThreat

Danger781

Fiddling with my graphics overclock again as I felt it wasn't completely stable. Something really weird I've noticed in my case.

I score higher in heaven benchmark if I leave memory clock at stock 1250. Even a slight increase to 1300 lowers my score.

1050 / 1250 #1 - 1189
1050 / 1250 #2 - 1181

1050 / 1300 #1 - 1139

BloodBath

I'm guessing it's either overheating or doesn't have the voltage for the higher speeds and is throttling.