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Tom Joad wrote: »

There's no dressing it up -it was dire - if it was in my back garden I would have pulled the curtains. Shows the need to restructure the senior championship.

Hopefully Gaels Mullahoran game ignites the championship!!

Ramor and Castlerahan should be a great game.

Lemlin wrote: »

I heard the Killygarry game was a dreadful spectacle from a few at it. I was at Lavey and Cuchulainns in Ramor on Saturday evening and it wasn't much better.

The standard of club football in the county is very poor. It really makes ya wonder how Terry got us so far this year but then ya hear people saying that the quality of football in a county doesn't always effect the county team.

There's no dressing it up -it was dire - if it was in my back garden I would have pulled the curtains. Shows the need to restructure the senior championship.

Hopefully Gaels Mullahoran game ignites the championship!!

Tom Joad wrote: »

Got two games in the Championship in tonight - Killygarry drew with Lacken after extra time - was poor stuff. Killygarry probably the better team but some truly awful shooting let them down. Martin Reilly had a great game. Niall McKiernan kicked some great scores for Lacken who lived off scraps all game.

In the main event Gaels won comfortably in the end - a real comedy of errors gave them a late goal to go 7 points ahead. Kingscourt were staying with them until a silly period in the second half when they lost their discipline completely. Had 1 sent off but it could have been 2 or 3 more. The Gaels were the better team and had the more classy forwards.

Wasn't at the game but heard that Mullahoran comfortably beat Gowna so Gaels and Mullahoran in the quarters..

I heard the Killygarry game was a dreadful spectacle from a few at it. I was at Lavey and Cuchulainns in Ramor on Saturday evening and it wasn't much better.

The standard of club football in the county is very poor. It really makes ya wonder how Terry got us so far this year but then ya hear people saying that the quality of football in a county doesn't always effect the county team.

Got two games in the Championship in tonight - Killygarry drew with Lacken after extra time - was poor stuff. Killygarry probably the better team but some truly awful shooting let them down. Martin Reilly had a great game. Niall McKiernan kicked some great scores for Lacken who lived off scraps all game.

In the main event Gaels won comfortably in the end - a real comedy of errors gave them a late goal to go 7 points ahead. Kingscourt were staying with them until a silly period in the second half when they lost their discipline completely. Had 1 sent off but it could have been 2 or 3 more. The Gaels were the better team and had the more classy forwards.

Wasn't at the game but heard that Mullahoran comfortably beat Gowna so Gaels and Mullahoran in the quarters..

Lavey beat Cuchulainns last night in the latest round of senior games so they now play Crosserlough who they already played in the quarters.

Mackey, Keating and Dunne take Cavan's tally to 4. Keating wins one at centre half forward which is a bit strange!

Killian Clarke just won an Ulster All Star award at corner back. Awards still ongoing but Monaghan clearing up at present as expected.

Well done to Clarke. Not bad for a 20 year old who is U21 again next year!

Senior Championship Draw:

Round 3:
1: Killygarry v Lacken
2: Cavan Gaels v Kingscourt
3: Gowna v Mullahoran
4: Cuchullains v Lavey

Quarter Finals:
Crosserlough v 4
Ramor v Castlerahan
Ballinagh v 1
3 v 2

Great draw for the neutral and underdogs as by the quarter finals only one of the last 3 winners will be left standing. Some great games in prospect. Looking forward to Gaels Kingscourt and I have to say I fancy Kingscourt to take the gaels - even with Seanie Johnston!!

Ramor Castlerahan could be another cracker. Have a few quid on Ramor to win the whole thing so will stick with them..

Lemlin wrote: »

I think you mean the Gaels defeat to Castlerahan. The Gaels were comfortably bet but will be joined by an old friend soon:

http://www.hoganstand.com/Cavan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=199959

Yes, my mistake! Heard from a few lads they're confident he'll be back. They'll need him

celt262

Lemlin wrote: »

I think you mean the Gaels defeat to Castlerahan. The Gaels were comfortably bet but will be joined by an old friend soon:

http://www.hoganstand.com/Cavan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=199959

Of course that report is wrong as St Kevins have no say in the transfer.

Anyway from what I say of CG last night they will need more than him to win championship.

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

The Gaels' defeat to Lacken means a Lacken vs Gaels tie in the next round is very much on the cards. Here's hoping!

I think you mean the Gaels defeat to Castlerahan. The Gaels were comfortably bet but will be joined by an old friend soon:

http://www.hoganstand.com/Cavan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=199959

The Gaels' defeat to Castlerahan means a Lacken vs Gaels tie in the next round is very much on the cards. Here's hoping!

cavan4sam

well done to the cavan ladies today brilliant win

lets hope they can put the ghosts of last year to bed this year

another day in croke park for cavan it has been a pretty good year but we need silverware so hopefully this very talented bunch of ladies can provide some

Crash Bang Wall

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

It would still be an open draw. The "openness" of the draw is not the issue, it's the format.

The way they have set the draw out this year. Cavan Gaels could be playing Lacken in 3 of their first 4 matches which is just ludicrous.

Whats more ridiculous is Lacken could, in theory, lose 2 Championship matches and still win the competition

celt262 wrote: »

Then it would not be an open draw i suppose if it was done that way.

What do you mean by the bit in bold it does not make any sense to me?

It would still be an open draw. The "openness" of the draw is not the issue, it's the format.

The way they have set the draw out this year. Cavan Gaels could be playing Lacken in 3 of their first 4 matches which is just ludicrous.

munchkin_utd

celt262 wrote: »

Then it would not be an open draw i suppose if it was done that way.

What do you mean by the bit in bold it does not make any sense to me?

theres no need to rig the draw or go into any complicated rules if you simply organise your fixtures template and say that the first 2 teams at home are the winners of the prelim and the 3rd team is the winner of the prelim loosers play off.
Then do an open draw and anyone can play anyone, except prelim teams are by design kept apart.

giving teams from the preliminary round an automatic home advantage in round 1 could also be arged to be fair seeing as they were already disadvantaged by having to play 1 or 2 more games than everyone else.

28064212

celt262 wrote: »

Then it would not be an open draw i suppose if it was done that way.

What do you mean by the bit in bold it does not make any sense to me?

Cavan Gael's first two games were both against Lacken

celt262

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

That's how an idiot's draw works. An open draw with 17 teams should be set up in such a manner as to avoid 1 team's opening 2 matches to be against the same team twice. Amateur job

Then it would not be an open draw i suppose if it was done that way.

What do you mean by the bit in bold it does not make any sense to me?

Tom Joad wrote: »

The way I would see it workingand the way it works in other counties is that, for arguments sake take Shercock - as per usual Shercock play in the Junior championship and the league -nothing really changes there. When senior championship time comes Shercock join with Bailieboro and Knockbride and play in the senior championship - that way Shercock's top players can play at a higher level and players like Killian Clarke get to play at senior championship level. Can only improve the standard of football and footballers in the county. This has worked successfully at minor level - for instance Sherock joined with Bailieboro as Killann Gaels to win the minor championship in 2009 (i'm guessing here but I would say Clarke, O'Mara and Gilsenan may have been around them teams!!)

It's a simple concept and works well in other counties and if the clubs got their heads out of their own arses they would see that this is the only way to go.

Now that could work. If lower teams join up and play senior as an amalgamation and junior as themselves. That's the only way it could work

celt262 wrote: »

That my man is the way a open draw works

That's how an idiot's draw works. An open draw with 17 teams should be set up in such a manner as to avoid 1 team's opening 2 matches to be against the same team twice. Amateur job

Pete_Cavan

celt262 wrote: »

When would you think would be a good time to play this competition ?

If you were to play without county players would it not make it meaningless as the idea behind such amalgamations is to improve the standard, can you do this when the best players are not playing in it?

Between intercounty league and championship is probably the best time. I meant if county players are unavailable for an odd weekend (ie. they have a challenge match or weekend before an Ulster championship match) matches could still be played. Obviously if county players were missing for the entire competition it would defeat the purpose.

Pete_Cavan

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

Say they do only have 30 then. In an amalgamation only 7/8 of these players would be playing? What are the other 20/30 odd players supposed to do? Twiddle their thumbs and play in this "new competition" while the others play in the proper championship. Amalgamations will not improve the standard by enough of a degree to offset the negative effects.

Again, you are seriously over estimating the number of players available to each club. Check out the results for the reserve leagues and see the number of walk overs. From my experience, any club was lucky to get more than 5 or 6 reserve matches this year. Clubs like Killygarry and Crosserlough, who had three teams a few years ago, struggled to field a second team at times this year. Belturbet didnt even enter a second team. AFAIK the rules for the reserve championship were changed to exclude 12 named players, as opposed to everyone who played in the senior/intermediate/junior championship to ensure that clubs would still be able field a a reserve team after using 20 players for the first team.

A competition with amalgamated teams can still have a reserve competition to allow amalgamations to put out a second or third team. It would be similar to the reserve leagues now, matches played as double headers. This would give those not involved in the first team a certain number of guaranteed matches instead of the current situation where they are hoping they/the opposition can field a team, or having to play 13 a side. Under my proposal these players do less twiddling of thumbs that sticking with the status quo.

celt262

munchkin_utd wrote: »

no, the draw is very very dodge as the losers of the Lacken v Gaels game in the prelim round had a back door option which led straight back to who won that prelim game previously.

Heres a flow chart from facebook which lays out the draw (hope it works).

Thanks for that, but it doesn't change the fact that its a open draw.

cournioni wrote: »

*ahem* Intermediate...

Sorry my bad

cournioni

Tom Joad wrote: »

The way I would see it workingand the way it works in other counties is that, for arguments sake take Shercock - as per usual Shercock play in the Junior championship and the league -nothing really changes there. When senior championship time comes Shercock join with Bailieboro and Knockbride and play in the senior championship - that way Shercock's top players can play at a higher level and players like Killian Clarke get to play at senior championship level. Can only improve the standard of football and footballers in the county. This has worked successfully at minor level - for instance Sherock joined with Bailieboro as Killann Gaels to win the minor championship in 2009 (i'm guessing here but I would say Clarke, O'Mara and Gilsenan may have been around them teams!!)

It's a simple concept and works well in other counties and if the clubs got their heads out of their own arses they would see that this is the only way to go.

*ahem* Intermediate...

munchkin_utd wrote: »

no, the draw is very very dodge as the losers of the Lacken v Gaels game in the prelim round had a back door option which led straight back to who won that prelim game previously.

Heres a flow chart from facebook which lays out the draw (hope it works).

Only in Cavan could a club potentially lose three matches in a knockout championship and still win it!!:D