Nialler15 wrote: » And there is my point. That in theory anyone could have explained you something in a logical way. Doesnt need to be a teacher.
jester77 wrote: » Not everyone can, while you may understand the topic you would still need to be able to teach it. I had a physics teacher in school and she was useless. I just about passed the exam in my leaving cert. She spent so much time trying to explain things and none of us could get it. Then when I went to Uni my heart sunk in the first week when one of our professors showed us the course content. A lot of it was based on what my physics teacher had been trying to teach me, I thought I was screwed. In the first week the lecturer had basically explained everything that my previous physics teacher couldn't and it was straight forward and logical. Difference was he could teach, she couldn't.
Nialler15 wrote: » I am aware of that. Just talking in theory. Anyone could be a teacher.
Afroshack wrote: » A teacher is someone with detailed knowledge of their subject topic, with an extended amount of practice and reflection on their previous teaching methods, who will be able to differentiate their methodologies to engage kids with EAL, additional needs etc without singling them out too much, a great attention to subject planning and detail, consistently able to use AFL as a part of their lesson to check learning and understanding, whilst stopping problem behaviour and re-engaging difficult or unruly students back in the topic without deviating too much from the lesson plan or scheme of work. Teaching goes far, far beyond explaining something in a logical way. It's a great job but by no means is it just explaining stuff out of a textbook. A teacher is able to do all those things above (well, ideally) but I do agree that you can get people who can't do these things very well. In all professions, you can have excellent teachers and very lazy ones.
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » if that;s the case then the student could be his own teacher.
Nialler15 wrote: » Again being able to deal with someone with special needs etc can be done by someone who is compassionate, patient and caring. Dont get me wrong. I am not trying to slate anyone here. And like you say there are good teachers and lazy teachers. I am just raising a point that in theory anyone can teach and be reasonably good at it. Not discussing other professions
Nialler15 wrote: » Not discussing other professions
Nialler15 wrote: » 100%. That young lad from Wexford who got 9 A1's in his leaving cert taught himself Biology on his mid term. I know he is the exception but it proves it is possible.
Nialler15 wrote: » If you can be personable and interact with your students then your going to be able to teach them.
Nialler15 wrote: » That in theory anyone could have explained you something in a logical way. Doesnt need to be a teacher.
Nialler15 wrote: » Again being able to deal with someone with special needs etc can be done by someone who is compassionate, patient and caring.
Afroshack wrote: » WTF? That's a bit of a kick in the teeth to all professionally trained SNA's and Resource teachers. I'm guessing you've never had to teach students with severe intellectual disabilities, autism or dyslexia/dyspraxia. You need so much more than just patience and compassion, you need professional training. Yes you are very much slating people here. Teacher training is crucial because knowing your subject well and understanding the dynamics of how children learn and absorb information are two very different things.
Nialler15 wrote: » Right I was having a discussion about the teachers the other night with a group of friends some who are teachers and others who are not. I threw it out there that with the exception of higher level maths and some of the sciences, that anybody could actually be a successful teacher, qualified or not. The syllabus is there in place, most teachers just follow the syllabus and teach from text books. With repetition obviously the teachers absorb more and more so as to not need the text books. So in theory anyone could do that. Agree or Disagree? Is there a need to have teachers on such a pedestal as highly trained highly qualified people? Are they really? Other than having the degree and H Dip, which lets be honest is all about boosting income as opposed to benefiting students. Or am I just being very cynical and harsh on teachers? As they would say in the Leaving Cert. DISCUSS
Mardy Bum wrote: » Give it a go so and find out. Volunteer if you have to. You have not given any "theory" either bar baseless assumptions so that word is redundant. It takes knowledge and training to help children with SEN.
mango salsa wrote: » You have to understand about what learning is, how people learn, how to motivate your pupils, how to manage the classroom and multiple pupils, how to keep pupils motivated and engaged, you have to be able to understand your pupils needs and expectations, you have to be able to create a comfortable learning environment, you have to be able to plan and implement teaching plans If you can do all of that plus more then you can be a teacher
Nialler15 wrote: » Again I agree with you. But I asked could anybody do this? I think they could. Not everyone but anyone.
Nialler15 wrote: » Special Needs Assistants (SNA) help teachers in schools, by providing classroom support to pupils with a wide range of severe learning, physical or behavioural difficulties. Assistants may work in a special school or in mainstream national and secondary schools. Assistants work under the supervision of the class teacher, helping pupils to achieve their learning goals. Other duties depend on the assistant’s particular job, the type and severity of the pupils’ disabilities and their age but may include: Helping pupils to improve their independent living skills Supporting pupils in social activities and outings Assisting pupils during therapy sessions Attending to pupils’ physical needs If you get a position as an assistant, you may just be working a few hours a week or you may be full-time. You do not have to be a qualified teacher or have a SNA qualification but it is worth considering. Extra skills such as sign language, music, art, sport and so on are beneficial.
Nialler15 wrote: » Ah the first of the teachers going on the defensive. I was not slating teachers. Just asking a question???
mango salsa wrote: » No I don't think so - Not everyone has skills in the areas that I just outlined above
doc_17 wrote: » Think you might be engaging in hyperbole here. Everything you didn't understand in a two year course was explained to you in a week?
BGozIE wrote: » Lets be honest here...your not just asking a question. Your insinuating anyone can be a teacher, and every time someone says its different being a good teacher and comparing it to any other profession, you weakly agree but continue to try and push your idea that its easy to do, and anyone can do it. What bothers me about this is you keep saying your not "slating" teachers, yet your pushing the idea, very mildly, that its easy and anyone can do it. If your opinion is the above, that's fine (although I think your wrong), but don't mask it as a question. People have already answered your question and proved that its one thing to be a teacher, judge, dentist, engineer etc...but to be a good one, is a different thing all together. And again, the answer to your "question" is yes anyone can do any profession...will they find prolonged employment in that profession if they are terrible at it.. I doubt it - and employment aside, will they be good at it? - no people are good at different things, so not everyone is suited to one thing. So in a real world context no you cant just walk in off the street and be a teacher, same way you cant do that in pretty much any profession PS no I'm not a teacher
Nialler15 wrote: » Anyone would suggest in theory that somebody who doesnt have the qualifications but can deal with the situation could in theory teach a class.
Nialler15 wrote: » I didnt say EVERYONE....I said ANYONE. Everyone would suggest every single person on the planet. Anyone would suggest in theory that somebody who doesnt have the qualifications but can deal with the situation could in theory teach a class.
Sofiztikated wrote: » Fact is anyone can do any job. Whether you are good at it or not is a different story.
speedboatchase wrote: » Although being good at it is irrelevant to your wage and job security.
