Sam Swarek wrote: » Not the first yellow card Ive ever received! Can I get it rescinded on appeal like Henry Shefflin?
alllcounty wrote: » Shut up you idiot. I'm still seeting with rage the way the 18 players have treated the manager. He gave so much to the betterment of waterford hurling these past 2 years and during that time I really felt energised we were back heading in the right direction for ultimate honours. 12 players on that panel shared my view, that's 40% didn't want him to go. You would normally find fringe players on any panel would not be happy with management as they are not getting enough game time. That means of the starting team there proberly was a majority that wanted him to stay. Many of those hurlers played their best hurling under Ryan. This was Nagel's best year in a waterford shirt, Brick had returned to his best, Moran won his first all star last year and gave an exhibition against kilkenny, Lawler and darragh fives played their best games ever against kilkenny, dillion showed great work ethic all year and chipped in with some good scores in the championship in his debut season. The list goes on further. From what I've gathered the reason they wanted him out is some didn't like his west waterford accent and that he delegated too much responsibility. He is the manager, not the coach, they are seperate roles with seperate responsibilities. One trains the team in training sessions and the other glues the whole thing together between selectors, players, media, county board, team talks, etc. He sourounded himself with hurling men and did what was asked of him. The performances were there. In the last 5 years other counties like limerick, clare, cork dublin and galway have come out of periods of unrest and panels that were way behind in the modern game. It was easy for waterford to be number 3 during this time. Any time we played kilkenny during this time it never at once looked like we would beat them. They often played us in 3rd gear and won by 7 points or more. This year was the first time since 98 before cody came in, that it looked like we could beat kilkenny. I really felt we were finally heading in the right direction. Now these 18 cowards have destroyed all that. They have put themselves under huge pressure for the next 3 years to get results. If they fail, this mess they have put us in will be thrown back at them. We had a good thing going here, excellent fitness trainers, a good defence coach in Cullinane who was our best full back of all time, a good trainer in Cunningham from limerick and a decent man with no ego to glue it all together. I dont think i can ever forgive those 18 backstabbing cowards for what they've done if they have ended up destroying the improvements we were making under this present management.
smashey wrote: » The way you are going here, that is most unlikely. In fact, the opposite is quite probable.
Sam Swarek wrote: » people would want to lighten up and not take things so seriously!!
Pride Fighter wrote: » You'd want to follow the forum rules or else you will get banned pretty quickly Take a read at the following link http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056682165
seananigans wrote: » http://examiner.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/former-deise-chief-blasts-players-role-in-ryan-exit-239782.html the players really need to make a statement
doz wrote: » Couldn't agree more. I think it's imperative that they do so before Michael Ryan goes on rte tomorrow night. Say what you will about the Cork and Limerick player's actions but from memory at least the players made a statement at the time. The silence in Waterford is deafening and this saga is becoming more damaging with each passing day, with potential rifts and bad will abounding everywhere. The players need to clarify why they took the action they did.
cornerboy wrote: » http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/its-time-for-waterford-players-to-stand-tall-29497258.html
Mountainlad wrote: » How do you make a statement from all the players, when you don't speak for everybody? If only 11 showed up, how many of the ones that were rung actually knew the full extent of what was goin g on in the meeting? Those that wwould have been against the vote would probably not be happy that there voiuce was not heard during the meeting. How would they feel now, if a collective statement with their names pinned to it was released now given they don't share the same views?
Mountainlad wrote: » Desperately unfair. I wonder was he so scathing of Cork and Limerick? I think that lack of respect afforded to Ryan and the minor hurlers on Sunday was terrible. Player power, however, is not an idea that had it's inception in Waterford.
cornerboy wrote: » He kind of describes it as it would appear to most who are looking in from outside. Players problem is that they don't have credibility........they haven't been good enough to win an All Ireland and instead of questioning themselves have undermined successive managers. You can argue against that summary but that is how it will appear to most.
premierstone wrote: » Not a big fan of Breheney and he's a bit of a sensationalist at the best of times and he's actual knowledge of the game of hurling leaves alot to be desired, but when you get past he's window dressing and he's attempted humor he actually is pretty close to the money on this one.I mean who exactly do these Waterford players think they are? I'm not trying to be harsh here but they are so far out of line its not funny and they have zero achievements to actually back it up. They have put the Waterford county board in an awfull position aswell - the simple fact is that the money is not there to attract a big name from outside and there doesn't seem to be a big name within that will satisfy them, the board are kind of caught between a rock and a hard place here and it needs to be resolved fairly promptly as you are going to have the likes of Gleeson, Bennett, Curran and Foran coming in over the next 24 months and the last thing they need at that age is coming into a divided panel who are also at loggerheads with the County Board.
robopaddy wrote: » This is what has come as a shock to everyone. It is widely accepted that there are no apparant ego's or prima donna's in this group. All that dead wood has been moved on under Ryan. A lot of the panel are very young many still under 21 or just out of it and hard to imagine it was many of them instigating this. Most of the older players would be known as being fairly honest and grounded individuals, as youd have in every other county so it really is hard to fathom where all this has come from
premierstone wrote: » Yeah agree with all that, It really would be intruiging to see a list of the players who voted in favoutr of removing Ryan and who exactly was behind calling the meeting.
robopaddy wrote: » This is what has come as a shock to everyone. It is widely accepted that there are no apparant ego's or prima donna's in this group. All that dead wood has been moved on under Ryan. A lot of the panel are very young many still under 21 or just out of it and hard to imagine it was many of them instigating this. Most of the older players would be known as being fairly honest and grounded individuals, as youd have in every other county so it really is hard to fathom where all this has come from. The only conclusion you can draw is that it must have been a pretty desperate situation, a lot different to the view that would have been gathered from outside the camp looking in
Deise_2012 wrote: » I've heard off a few people that Brick and Molumphy along with Mullane on the outside were the ones who orchestrated the players meeting and as a result, Kevin Moran phoned Michael Ryan to let them know of their decision. I don't think Ryan will give much away on thursday, not in his character to let rip at certain individuals
