Deleted User wrote: » Michael Ryan came in when Waterford were at the end of their cycle tbf. He didnt inherit a panel containing Ken Mcgrath, Paul Flynn, a young Tony Browne, Dan Shanahan, Seamus Prendergast, etc like Davy, Justin or Gerald McCarthy did all those years ago. Instead he inherited a very young panel in the midst of a rebuilding process so perhaps it unfair to suggest he took ye backwards. He needed a few years i feel to get ye back with a serious chance of contesting. I felt they left it behind them against Kilkenny the night and had he won that game then Waterford would have been looking at things from a different perspective.
doz wrote: » You may occasionally make a reasonable point or two but when asked for specifics you generally don't respond. I asked who you would have appointed in Ryan's place, no response and you were asked how you were able to dismiss one poster's suggestions about a list of potential replacements, also no response. Is it really necessary to be acting all high, mighty and all knowing in responding to regular posters comments or suggestions? It's keyboard warrioring at its worst and frankly a bit pathetic. This is a discussion forum, no rights or wrongs, so just grow up a bit.
robopaddy wrote: » no point doz you wont win. he has shown before he is just not up to partaking in civilised discussions its a wee bit beyond him im afraid. Unfortunately insecurity takes over and he will just end up arguing with everyone else about how he is so much smarter and intelligent than us all. The topic of conversation eventually becomes irrelevant
Ropaire wrote: » Thats enough for me, lets make Sam Swarek or whatever he's called now the next manager. He'll take no crap in training and talk so much ****e the opposition will be so confused they won't have a clue what's going on. Foolproof.
Brad1234 wrote: » This all starting to get very childish quick.. Sam albeit does it in a confrontational tone, makes some great points on waterford hurling and is talking like the majority of hurling folk in the county...
parish girl wrote: » Did you ever notice what's cheap always ends up dear. Exactly how much have we saved in the last 2 years. Last year the SH cost approx. 40 thousand less than the previous year yet were knocked out of the championship a month earlier. this year they will probably cost another 30-40 less again but knocked out even earlier. Is this saving money?? carry this to its natural conclusion and it would be cheaper not to enter at all. Don t think this is the way to save. We have to speculate to accumulate!. If we drop out of the top tier which we are in serious danger of doing we will find it impossible to find a major sponsor. This would have serious effect on the overall finances as lots of money is raised on the success of the hurlers. But sponsors want to see the jersey with their logos on big days. And ending the season in the qualifiers is not value for money from their point of view.
Amprodude wrote: » Can we please get back on topic and cut out the keyboard warrior stuff. Anyway what about KenMcGrath? Has he interest in position? Anyone know?
hardybuck wrote: » Wouldn't be a suitable candidate.
Amprodude wrote: » Had he a falling out with players or members from County board/management?
robopaddy wrote: » lord above... read as far as that and didnt need to read any further. think Im actually done here... dont stop beleiveing peeps!!!
hardybuck wrote: » He cited work commitments at the time, having started a new job. Why would you assume a falling out?
Amprodude wrote: » It was the only thing i could think of that woukd keep him away from such a position.
deiseach wrote: » You do know that not everyone can finish first, don't you? If everyone threw a million quid at their county panels, half the teams would still go out without winning a match. Spending money that we didn't have in pursuit of success that didn't come is the reason the County Board is broke in the first place.
Amprodude wrote: » Can we please get back on topic and cut out the keyboard warrior stuff.
hardybuck wrote: » It isn't just reckless spending, but poor management of finances overall. Our revenue streams are poor - we get poor attendances at club games for example. I don't know what sort of commercial agreements we're locked into, but one would doubt if we are getting the best deal from Azzurri, although they are a local manufacturer and we have to be seen to support them if possible. You've got the likes of the Jedward concert fiasco as well - the current situation wasn't all caused by team expenditure. I'm sure there is a whole catalogue of messy things in the accounts if you sat down and went through them.
deiseach wrote: » Agreed. Weren't the Minors great?
deiseach wrote: » All true, and none of them going to be solved by spending big on getting a top inter-county manager.
Mountainlad wrote: » Progress is definitely a very subjective term. In 2011, we played Limerick and we were blessed to come out of it with a win. We struggled past a poor Clare side in 2010, in 2009 it was poor Limerick side. I think the team was far better than they were performing under Davy and we were getting the results the team should have been expected to get, but unfortunately it was largely down to very poor teams outside of Tipp and Kilkenny. I would say there's been a substantial progression from the 2011 Munster final. The only results based progression we could possibly have had is to get into an all-ireland final. Did you really believe we would be contesting an all-ireland final this year or last? It's fine all this retrospective talk about "oh look at Cork and Limerick and Clare", but people were saying an all-ireland semi final would be a very good year this year, even after the league. I don't get how people assume now that Clare, Limerick, Cork and Dublin are all greatly improved that that somehow makes it easier for us to win an all-ireland. I do believe are team has been under-rated for a good while, but at the same time we were favourites for relegation two years in a row and very nearly topped the table this year. I'm not going to argue a fantastic job has been done, but we're definitely ina better position now than we were at the end of 2011 in my estimation. In terms of Mullane going, it was kind of inevitable. He wasn't getting any younger, he still played very well in 2012 but to be honest I think I'm happy enough that the younger players are in there taking more responsibility. Ray Barry a prime example, scoring 1-3 against Kilkenny. Jake Dillon also has been fantastic. Last year, Barry was subbed in the u21 mauling, and Dillon was either subbed or should have been in the Intermediate mauling. Tell me that's not progress!!
