rebel girl 15 wrote: » I'm not going to argue anymore, I still cannot believe that you think Cork would have won anyway if it was 15v15, it would have been very tight. You have constantly dismissed the skillfulness shown by Dublin, which actually makes the Cork win all the better, your posts are hugely disrespectful to a super Dublin team who gave it everything and smacks of arrogance about being from Cork but the game was influenced by the sending off, there is no denying that. Having Rushe the free man made a huge difference to Dublin in the second half, and Cork had not adapted to the 7 man back line, which was starting to work for Dublin, and they went two in front, and looked like they were pushing on before the sending off. Its like Limerick man saying that Hoggie's sending off made no difference to the game - as you said yourself, its inches that seperate teams, and being a man down is a huge disadvantage especially when the tactic that Dublin were using needed the extra man in the backs, something that they would have worked on, and was working on the game. It wasn't robbery, but there wasn't five points between those teams really in the quality of play.
Thinkstoomuch wrote: » a touch of irony here. The way people are talking,its how dublin lost the game,rather than Cork won it,which is wrong. Cork won,fair and square,but to say we would have won despite the sending off is pointless. That in your own words with the greatest respect mate,is idiotic. Dublin had their chances ,didnt take them.Tippeareary beat Cork with 14,in a similar situation last year. It was not as hot in croke park as limerick,and 15 minutes wasnt a huge time to be down a man. And Humprey Kelleher a dublin man,in case you don't know,and Mark landers,said Cork would have won anyway. So im not alone in my 'idocay'.You may think its birds of a feather flock together with us three. I would think great minds think alike.
Indie. wrote: » Maguire doesnt get the opportunity to take free's as they have two good takers in Boland and Ryan who between them are usually decent long range free takers. Hard to compare the two in that respect. Show me where I said Dublin were robbed? Cork won the game fair and square but to say Cork would have won regardless of the sending off is just an idiotic and pointless comment to make.
Thinkstoomuch wrote: » Accuracy,good ball control,temperament usually defines a hurler,and free takers have it in abundance. Ye make it sound like we robbed dublin.We won,by on the day,being better. Plain and simple. I have seen nash bundled and tackled by three players,with kanturk and survived. Great goalies,make mistakes but recover in time.Nash is that,in line for hurler of the year.
Indie. wrote: » If a Dublin forward challenged Nash in similar fashion to Horgan, a goal would have more than likely been conceded. Also while i agree that Nash is a better keeper, being able to take frees is not an indication that he is a better hurler. Honestly can not understand how you can say that Cork would have won anyway.
bren2001 wrote: » I don't agree. Imo Cork had their chance to pull away in the first half but couldn't and Dublin just about hung in. Giving Rushe more space by bringing players back was working from Dublin. I felt (at the point of the red card) Dublin were about to take off. I think Dublin would have won the game if ROD was not sent off.
Mr Tibbs wrote: » There are two Irishmen who I can recall that are known by their initials. Plenty of imposters but one is George Bernard Shaw GBS and then there is Jmb. Do I need to say any more. Well done Cork on a great win that was memorable to watch. You beat a very good team so again well done.
rebel girl 15 wrote: » I've watched a lot of the Dublin games this year, and they had a habit of kicking on in the second half and grinding out the win - happened against Wexford and KK. I've watched snippets of the game back already, I have it on my laptop, but for you to come out and say that Dublin didn't have the same skill as Cork and that Cork outhurled them is disrespectful to Dublin. No one can deny that at the point of the sending off, Dublin were slightly on top and I feared they were about to kick on, had a great chance for a goal, had a free that could have put them three points ahead yet found themselves level and a man down Watch the game again, count the number of hooks and blocks by both teams and then come back to me I've had time to watch the first 20 mins of the game - hook is obvious, I defined a flick as when a man should have taken possession but the ball was taken away by an opposition team member. Dublin Hooks/flicks - 7 (was 2 away from Cork players, but resulted in the ball falling to a Cork player, did not include them) blocks -4 Cork hooks/flicks - 4, blocks 3 Dublin forced two turnovers, Cork 1, Cork had 1 unforced turnover in that period of time as well. I'll do the rest of the game when I get a chance and do the same. Last five mins when the goal went in, and when Cork finally changed to having the extra man pushed up into the forward line
Thinkstoomuch wrote: » Thats my point,they couldnt pull away from cork,and dwyer challenge showed their frustration.The sending off did have an influence,but every body agrees cork would have won anyay.
Thinkstoomuch wrote: » Nash nearly made a mistake.But nearly never made i The difference between very good and great.He could have conceded a goal but didnt. In relation to hurling,take this as an example.Nash has more hurling than Maguire,as he can also take the frees.
CorkonianRebel wrote: » Any truth to the rumours about Frank Murphy giving you tickets to get you to take the football job??!! :pac:
rebel girl 15 wrote: » Watch the three minutes around the chance for O Dwyer, I counted three if not four mistakes by Cork players, including one dispossession that shouldn't have happened - off the top of my head from watching it last night, you had Tom Kenny miss the ball midair, Joyce passing the ball directly into the centre and into the hand of a Dublin player, Tom Kenny (I think) pass going astray after a Cork defender had the ball flicked away from him. If you watch the game back, it is obvious that Dublin were starting to get a period of dominance going just before the sending off. They were the ones sneaking in front the whole time, with Cork leveling. Cork started using the extra man to their advantage in the last ten minutes, but to say that Cork were more skilful that the Dubs is disrespectful to that team. Lighter forwards maybe, but skill wise there was very little difference between the teams. Cork had one or two shows of brilliant skill from individuals, but its a team game. I'd nearly put money on it that there were more blocks and hooks by Dublin players than by Cork players. Seeing a team go down a man is a psychological boost, seeing the opposition teams free taker miss an easy free - its all about momentum. Until that point, Dublin had it, and were starting to get on top in areas and it was said in commentary as well! Ahead by a point at that stage, and Nash's free drew Cork level. Playing county standard in this day and age, it is those inches that make the difference, and it told at the end for Cork. Its not always the better team that wins it in the end, and playing a man down, never mind the conditions is a tough ask at county level - Daly's tactic of playing 7 backs and 4 fowards at that stage suited Cork, and Cork coped with it. Was there five points between those teams on the day, no - not if it was 15 v 15 for the full 70 mins - which we won't know about. Agree to disagree so, your definition of more hurling and more skilful are clearly different to mine
Moneymaker wrote: » I remember I said last week I felt Maguire was Nash's equal. Clearly I was wrong. First time i've seen Nash play in person. He is an incredible goalkeeper. The frees he knocked over were crucial in the end.
rebel girl 15 wrote: » Nowhere in my post did I say that Dublin beat themselves, but the sending off was the turning point and a lot of people would agree with that. Until then it was nearly point for point, and Dublin were ahead by a point, when Nash pointed the free after the sending off. It was not until that point that Cork started gaining some momentum by levelling the game and then sneaking ahead, putting doubts in the Dublin minds. There were a number of good dispossessions by Dublin players of Cork players as well as Cork players on Dublin players, a large number of hooks and little blocks - both sides were extremely skilful. I watched the game more as a neutral than anything else, and I'll watch it again tomorrow, and get you the numbers to back up those facts, but you're the only Cork man I've seen looking through two boards claiming that Cork outhurled Dublin! You'd want to watch the game again, the last 20 mins Cork bombed high ball into the forwards, showed a little more composure than Dublin in the last ten mins and got an opportunist goal from a high ball flaked into a full back line with four Dublin men and two Corkmen near it. Momentum is a huge thing in sport, and the Ryan miss and O Dwyer sending off was huge, it was the start of Dublin losing composure and Cork in part keeping theirs. Keeping that savage intensity up with 20 mins to go being a man down was always going to be a huge ask, and they nearly did it. Cork were only ahead by a point before Horgan got the goal - if Cork out hurled Dublin like you said they did, a 14 man Dublin shouldn't have only been one point behind with 5 mins to go in the game. Cork didn't outhurl Dublin, I think Dublin played nearly to their maximum but there is a huge level of improvement that can come from the Cork camp yet, both sides fumbled a lot of ball, but that was down to the intensity of the game. Maguire got unluckly that Horgan was right on top of him when the ball came in, but you have to remember that Nash nearly dropped the ball into his own net at one stage today, and was lucky there was no Dublin player on top of him! It was in the last five mins that there were serious Dublin mistakes, after that goal when they let the heads drop. Cork got 8 points from frees, Dublin only got 5.
MfMan wrote: » Jaaz, from my TV vantage point, I thought he wasn't even related to MOTM. Good first 20 mins but quiet thereafter. Horgan and either of corner-backs were much better, as were Keaney and Sutcliffe for Dublin.
rebel girl 15 wrote: » Thinkstoomuch, Nash's save wasn't the turning point - Cork were struggling until O Dwyer got the line. Ryan had just missed a free to put Dublin three points ahead, O Farrell scored a point and O Dywer got the line - that two minutes was the crucial turning point. Nash pointed that free, and instead of being a possible two points ahead, it was level and Dublin a man down. Ryan's free was simple enough, was a poor miss by his standard - and then to go a man down, with Cork levelling. Thats momentum right there handed to Cork and the goal was handed to them as well, poor defending leaving Hoggie run through easily to put pressure on the keeper. It was a super game of hurling, and to say the better hurlers won would be wrong. There were some great points from Dublin as well, and it was a fantastic game. I think Daly didn't change fast enough tactically after O Dwyer got sent off, having the seven men in defense, and it was surprising that Cork left them, and had two players free in the backline, yet Dublin still reeled off a number of points in response to Cork and drew level three times I think with basically four forwards.
Thinkstoomuch wrote: » As i called it Mcloughlin got man of the match.He was superb.
Thinkstoomuch wrote: » Beg,borrow,...you name it.:-)it be hard to get tickets .I hope all geuine fans get them.
Thinkstoomuch wrote: » Cork were Never going to physically beat Dublin.We had to compete,which is what we did,worked hard,then relied on our hurling,movement etc. Cyril farell even yesterday said Cork would win,as they had more hurling,dublin would win if it was tight. Thats not Cyril dissrespecting Dublin,he is just calling a spade a spade,and Dublin and Cork have totally different style and type of player. To say otherwise is wide of the mark.
yomtea98 wrote: » Where will we get tickets?What a win.Atmosphere superb.Dubs will be back.Hon the rebels
