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Does Irish soccer have a problem with hooliganism?

oppenheimer1

I was watching a documentary there the other night on 3e and they came out with this rather startling fact: It takes more Gardai to police the 4,300 crowd at Dalymount Park, than it does for a typical rugby international. I used to live around the ground and remember the heavy atmosphere before games with the huge police presence.

They also showed this clip (along with others) as an illustration of the levels of violence sometimes seen at Irish soccer games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzys_0gunL4

A quick search of Youtube will yield plenty of results showing LOI supporters causing trouble in and around the grounds of the teams they follow. Are these hooligans (or casuals) now a problem for LOI and Irish soccer in general?

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tiger55

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVW-2FkHpog

tiger55

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkwDB9TvJbI

Zebra3

tiger55 wrote: »

http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/topic/8832115/8/

http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php/topic/204087-cliftonville-fans/?p=7555094

There was trouble at cliftonville v celtic game

Not exactly related to the LoI, is it? :rolleyes:

dd972

I've always get the impression that Eircom League hooliganism is a bit contrived and apeing their English counterparts, a bit of a paradox is these Hoolies indulging in 'Tan' like behavior.

Amirani

dd972 wrote: »

I've always get the impression that Eircom League hooliganism is a bit contrived and apeing their English counterparts, a bit of a paradox is these Hoolies indulging in 'Tan' like behavior.

Why is that a paradox?

BOHtox

dd972 wrote: »

I've always get the impression that Eircom League hooliganism is a bit contrived and apeing their English counterparts, a bit of a paradox is these Hoolies indulging in 'Tan' like behavior.

:rolleyes:

overshoot

going to matches for as long as i can remember and the height of "trouble" in a ground was toilet paper going over and back between ourselves (harps) & derry in the 03 promotion/relegation playoffs.

5 years in dublin taking in a good few bohs/shels games & gone to plenty of sligo games too and nothing in the grounds. you could find a few nacker kids running about the phibsboro area but barely anymore than normal :P

anything i have heard break out is just scum who went looking for a fight... main one that sticks out is the lad who went up the bogside shouting "whats it like to have a queen?" scum are awfully good at seeking out other scum, most of them are probably banned from their "home" grounds and just seek an excuse

super_furry

dd972 wrote: »

I've always get the impression that Eircom League hooliganism is a bit contrived and apeing their English counterparts, a bit of a paradox is these Hoolies indulging in 'Tan' like behavior.

Eircom League? :rolleyes:

oppenheimer1

super_furry wrote: »

Eircom League? :rolleyes:

Its called the Atrocity League now...

Amirani

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Its called the Atrocity League now...

You're really hilarious.

fta93

There's more of a chance of a fight in your local around the time of a United/Pool/Celtic match, than there is at an LOI ground.

I've seen more people fight over a match on tv, then at Tolka/Dalyer/Inchicore in my experience.

Jumboman

timthumbni wrote: »

Hello Danny dyer. Lol. His programs on hoolies and hard men should be listed under comedy gold. What a geezer.

TV3 should hire danny dyer to make a documentary about Irish football hooligans, now that would be funny.

timthumbni

Jumboman wrote: »

TV3 should hire danny dyer to make a documentary about Irish football hooligans, now that would be funny.

Lol. Proper noughtieeeee!!!

anncoates

No way near the level of England but most Irish "fanatics" of EPL teams are not to know that given they're more likely o fly to Mars than actually attend a live game.

Louthdrog

BQQ wrote: »

LouthDrog, I seem to recall the Bohs team bus being attacked in Drogheda a couple of years ago. Did you miss that game?

If I remember correctly, that incident occurred on the road out of town where kids from a local estate where throwing stones at all vehicles going back. Was definately not a "hooligan" incident.

Actually come to think of it, iv experienced trouble once at a game. Last season in Dalymount, Locals put through the window of Fagans off licence and threw a few slaps at random Drogheda fans inside. Again, local idiots, hardly hooliganism.

anncoates

tiger55 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkwDB9TvJbI

That's quite a chiiling video of a blurred bridge with traffic going by.

Should have a NSFW warning.

oppenheimer1

Louthdrog wrote: »

If I remember correctly, that incident occurred on the road out of town where kids from a local estate where throwing stones at all vehicles going back. Was definately not a "hooligan" incident.

Actually come to think of it, iv experienced trouble once at a game. Last season in Dalymount, Locals put through the window of Fagans off licence and threw a few slaps at random Drogheda fans inside. Again, local idiots, hardly hooliganism.

You know, maybe the local idiots are hooligans?

Swan Curry

Irish sports fans seem to be pretty well behaved in general.The closest thing I've seen to "trouble" was yesterday when some Celtic fans were blocking the road outside Christchurch for a few minutes.

LOI may have a pretty small number of followers,but I think both the LOI authorities and the fans deserve credit for how well behaved they are at matches.I'm not a soccer fan,but I went to a match a good few years ago and I didn't feel threatened at all.

Mr_Spaceman

Looking from afar, it seems the LOI fans are a good bunch, a small number of morons apart.

I remember a bit of havoc involving both Glentoran and Linfield fans with the Guards a few seasons back during games against the Shels. Something to do with flying Ulster flags or something.

Then again, apparently when Linfield went south to play the Drogs and Glentoran to play Cork City respectively, there was a good-natured atmosphere. No bother at all. Maybe it's a Dub guard thing, I'm not sure.

Just slightly OT - it's a shame not nearly enough football fans attend games in Ireland, both north and south. That's the seductive powers of the so-called greatest league in the world for you.

Jumboman

Its interesting to note that the word hooligan originates from an Irish family that lived in england, so you could say that the Irish not the English started the whole hooligan sub culture.

wazky

Jumboman wrote: »

Its interesting to note that the word hooligan originates from an Irish family that lived in england, so you could say that the Irish not the English started the whole hooligan sub culture.

Well, football hooliganism is not called "The English Disease" for nothing you know.

Jumboman

wazky wrote: »

Well, football hooliganism is not called "The English Disease" for nothing you know.

Thats because it started in England. But the Irish were the first people to be called hooligans.

LivelineDipso

I started supporting Sligo Rovers since I moved here from the UK and have been to away games to Dublin, Limerick, Cork and even to Linfield. Never saw anything to worry about - the LOI is a fun league. I actually like the atmosphere here than the Premier League back home (I'm from Hull). I know that might sound odd, but it's true. Some of the Rovers end of season games at the Showgrounds last year were fantastic atmosphere and excellent football for a small league.

mikeym

Bleeding Hooligans!

Augmerson

Never seen any problems at any LOI games I attended but I wouldn't categorically any trouble ever happening - but if it does, I'd say it's usually youngsters who really should get a clip round the ear.

Red About Town

There are two proper hooligan 'mobs' in Ireland. Doesn't equate to a huge problem for the league but its there. To suggest otherwise would be false.

[Deleted User]

And they are?...

Jumboman

Red About Town wrote: »

There are two proper hooligan 'mobs' in Ireland. Doesn't equate to a huge problem for the league but its there. To suggest otherwise would be false.

Is there a crossover between organised crime and hooliganism ie if someone is a serious hooligan then their also a gangster ?

Brit films over the last 10 years have showed hooligans and gangsters as being one and the same.

oppenheimer1

http://foot.ie/threads/155011-Bohs-v-Rovers-05-08-11

An interesting thread for those that say there is no bad behaviour at these games.

timthumbni

Jumboman wrote: »

Is there a crossover between organised crime and hooliganism ie if someone is a serious hooligan then their also a gangster ?

Brit films over the last 10 years have showed hooligans and gangsters as being one and the same.

I assume there could be maybe more in larger countries though and not so sure it could be called organised. Btw those hooligan uk movies are shockingly bad.

Hooligans should be called out by their proper names. Spides. Neds, skangers etc. that's what they are. Big men in a group. Not so hard when on their own for the most part. In the end its only a game of flipping football for goodness sake. Lot of older people involved in uk anyway who really shld grow up.

Hardly life and death despite a certain Liverpool manager talking rubbish.