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Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

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Old thread here : http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056303530

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Broxi_Bear_Eire

Lennonist wrote: »

Get your facts right? It's hard to keep track of what's going on there at the best of times. Supporters of the new club haven't a clue what's going on there or what will happen next, so don't get up yourself.

4 trialists is it? 4 is a rake of trialists I reckon. Did they really need to make all these signings to win Div 1 as it is now? Will their pre contract agreements be honoured?

And most importantly why have the new club got so many players on SPL level wages when they are playing in the 3rd tier? Looks to me like resources have been misspent since the formation of the new club.

Can't answer your questions on the running if the new holding company though as far as overspending goes I agree to a certain extent. As far as a rake being four well we will have to disagree. There has been no new club formed but a new company but you know I am going to say this and I am not going round and round the roundabout just to suit you so I won't answer anyone posts formed that way.
Really what had it got to do with you who the club signs.
Are you honest enough you didn't know only four if the players could play as trialists or they could only play three games. The chances are one of the trialists Bell might not play any as I can't see the manager wanting to chop and change his keeper. I presume the pre contracts will be honoured or the company will be sued for loss of earnings

Lennonist

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Rake of trialists there are only four who can play as trialists the others can't as they were not registered in Scotland last year. Also the trialists can only play three games and Daly and Law have played two so far. Get your facts right

Get your facts right? It's hard to keep track of what's going on there at the best of times. Supporters of the new club haven't a clue what's going on there or what will happen next, so don't get up yourself.

4 trialists is it? 4 is a rake of trialists I reckon. Did they really need to make all these signings to win Div 1 as it is now? Will their pre contract agreements be honoured?

And most importantly why have the new club got so many players on SPL level wages when they are playing in the 3rd tier? Looks to me like resources have been misspent since the formation of the new club.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Lennonist wrote: »

They are in the 3rd tier and what are they doing signing up a rake of trialists and giving them pre-contracts with SPL level wages?

It's no wonder the new club are in danger of going the same way as the old one.

Will those contracts for the trialists be honoured, Green will be looking for loopholes I'd imagine.

Rake of trialists there are only four who can play as trialists the others can't as they were not registered in Scotland last year. Also the trialists can only play three games and Daly and Law have played two so far. Get your facts right

Lennonist

Eirebear wrote: »

Rangers manager's wages second only in Scotland to Celtic manager's?

Not really a massive surprise is it?

They are in the 3rd tier and what are they doing signing up a rake of trialists and giving them pre-contracts with SPL level wages?

It's no wonder the new club are in danger of going the same way as the old one.

Will those contracts for the trialists be honoured, Green will be looking for loopholes I'd imagine.

Dempsey

blahfckingblah wrote: »

honestly leaving any bias at the door if it was my club I would expect to see management team wages cut down with incremental increases in wages depending on performance. just makes sense financially.

It goes without saying really, those running the club pulled a fast one on the people putting their hard earned cash into the club

Broxi_Bear_Eire

blahfckingblah wrote: »

honestly leaving any bias at the door if it was my club I would expect to see management team wages cut down with incremental increases in wages depending on performance. just makes sense financially.

Spot on

blahfckingblah

honestly leaving any bias at the door if it was my club I would expect to see management team wages cut down with incremental increases in wages depending on performance. just makes sense financially.

Jelle1880

It's actually more than Lennon if I'm correct.

Which is an absolute joke, not only because we're playing in the third tier but because last season there was nothing on show that would even remotely justify that kind of wages.

However, I think it's because McCoist TUPE'd his wages over to the new company so they had to remain the same, the fact he would accept a wage cut is good imo.

Too bad it won't help if there is no EGM called to get rid of the leeches.

Coillte_Bhoy

Eirebear wrote: »

Rangers manager's wages second only in Scotland to Celtic manager's?

Not really a massive surprise is it?

Yes actually it is considering where they are operating, it's indicative of the huge budget the club is operating on. It's unsustainable.

Eirebear

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

wtf? :eek: Thats brilliant, they have learned absolutely nothing :pac:

Rangers manager's wages second only in Scotland to Celtic manager's?

Not really a massive surprise is it?

Coillte_Bhoy

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Super Ally saying I didn't know we were spending too much!! Then again, he is on £760k so must be doing something right for himself

Looks like nobody associated with Rangers has learned anything from the last 2 years!

wtf? :eek: Thats brilliant, they have learned absolutely nothing :pac:

A Dub in Glasgo

Super Ally saying I didn't know we were spending too much!! Then again, he is on £760k so must be doing something right for himself

http://www.scotsman.com/news/andrew-smith-could-rangers-history-repeat-itself-1-3040404

Yet if administration did happen, McCoist would not feel guilty about the costs he has racked up in conducting the club’s football business. “In the sense that I’ve not been told that we’re doing anything wrong,” he said. “If someone had said ‘don’t do that because you’re going to put the club at risk’, I would absolutely not do it. But I can’t act on something that I don’t have any knowledge of. So if someone said to me your wage bill is too high or your staff is too high, then that’s fine I can react to that and do something accordingly. But until that comes, it’s not my gig

Looks like nobody associated with Rangers has learned anything from the last 2 years!

blahfckingblah

ColeTrain wrote: »

Again?

not really too interested in discussing this right now I just want to comment on how apt the toilet roll is in that photograph

Hagar the Nice.

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Yawn..
Lets see just beat Liverpool got a big cl game coming up but you still feel the need to discuss a third division team who you say didn't exist until last year. Strange very strange xx

Zzzzzzz,big CL game you say,nah,I'll go 3-0 on aggregate.
As for Liverpool,it was only a friendly game and well done to both sets of fans on making it a great spectacle.

ColeTrain

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

It's possible looks like Green and others were paying themselves all sorts if money and I include McCoist in that. This is the reason I believe there is s move on to oust them just have to wait and see though we could speculate all day long but until we see the accounts then its all ifs and buts

It's some mess alright!

Broxi_Bear_Eire

ColeTrain wrote: »

Again?

It's possible looks like Green and others were paying themselves all sorts if money and I include McCoist in that. This is the reason I believe there is s move on to oust them just have to wait and see though we could speculate all day long but until we see the accounts then its all ifs and buts

ColeTrain

Again?

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Yawn..
Lets see just beat Liverpool got a big cl game coming up but you still feel the need to discuss a third division team who you say didn't exist until last year. Strange very strange xx

Hagar the Nice.

sunday herald @newsundayherald
Tomorrow's splash in the Sunday Herald - Rangers running on empty: fresh fears for club finances as manager McCoist offers to take a pay cut.

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Seems like someone in the Celtic thread was spot on when he said your posting style seems familiar.

Still as bitter as ever I see

If its possible,maybe admin can check my IP address which should confirm I've never been on here in my entire life.
Oh btw,how nice of Sally to offer the board a pay cut.

Jelle1880

Seems like someone in the Celtic thread was spot on when he said your posting style seems familiar.

Still as bitter as ever I see

Hagar the Nice.

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Really ah well you carry on thinking that but even if it were true you seem overly interested in what's a third div side xx

Not really Broxi,I love seeing Zombies in pain.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

I remember I did say that but sometimes my memory plays tricks on me,sometimes I think Oldco and Newco are the same club but then I realise they ain't really.:)

Really ah well you carry on thinking that but even if it were true you seem overly interested in what's a third div side xx

Hagar the Nice.

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

You forget we already know your a bitter wee person from your posts about us in the tic thread. Remember you said you couldn't bring yourself to post in here well you should pay attention to your own words.
You seem ever so slightly obsessed with us but hey that just shows how much you miss us xx

I remember I did say that but sometimes my memory plays tricks on me,sometimes I think Oldco and Newco are the same club but then I realise they ain't really.:)

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

Bitterness,where?
Truth hurts and Zombies don't like the truth.

You forget we already know your a bitter wee person from your posts about us in the tic thread. Remember you said you couldn't bring yourself to post in here well you should pay attention to your own words.
You seem ever so slightly obsessed with us but hey that just shows how much you miss us

Hagar the Nice.

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Away and play with the buses some of us are interested in football take your bitterness elsewhere

Bitterness,where?
Truth hurts and Zombies don't like the truth.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Away and play with the buses some of us are interested in football take your bitterness elsewhere

Hagar the Nice.

Happy days are here again,:) Aye,right.
Glenn Gibbons hit the nail on the head this morning when he penned this article in the Scotsman,the only guy with the balls to say it as it is about Walter Myth,the guy who walked out on Oldco when Murrays cash cow ran dry,walked out of Scotland during a World Cup campaign and now walks out of Newco when the going get's tough.

Denial is a natural and convenient refuge whenever crisis invades the affairs of man, and nowhere in recent times has the phenomenon been more visible or more vehement than in the aftermath of the liquidation of Rangers Football Club.

Nobody could reasonably take exception to dedicated supporters fighting their team’s corner in the event of perceived attacks from numerous quarters, but when defiance spills over into delusion, the truly relevant and potentially most harmful fundamental problems tend to be neglected in the cause of impulsive and ill-conceived retaliation.

Hence the readiness of too many of the Ibrox club’s followers over the past few years not only to acclaim, but to go to war on behalf of a succession of extremely unreliable (and generally self-styled) “redeemers”, from David Murray through Craig Whyte to Charles Green and sundry other figures of dubious motives and  character.

The most remarkable and unfathomable aspect of the support for the various liberty takers is that so many should rush to demonstrate such vociferous and frequently hostile allegiance to men whose “credentials” sprang mainly from hearsay, or, more often, from ill-informed media speculation.

Yet Murray, whose excesses initiated the economic devastation that made the club vulnerable to the predatory and plundering Whyte and Green, was allowed to enjoy without a murmur of suspicion from anyone connected to Ibrox 20 years of steady, but unrelieved, erosion of its finances.

When the former director, the late Hugh Adam, made his apocalyptic assessment of the Murray modus operandi, he was shouted down as merely a bitter ex-employee.  As far as can be ascertained, none of his detractors so far has admitted that everything Adam predicted has come to pass.

At the first whisper from outside observers of Whyte’s potential for inflicting further damage on Rangers, there were marches in his defence on the BBC headquarters in Glasgow and, of course, the hundreds-strong protest outside the empty SFA offices at Hampden Park one gloriously comical Saturday morning.

Green was another hero originally the object of adulation and undying devotion on the grounds that he and his consortium had rescued the club from extinction by producing the funds to acquire its assets, while other supposed saviours simply made  inconsequential noises.

Now, following his return in the decidedly nebulous role of “consultant”, Green appears to attract new levels of hissing from the faithful with each passing day. To borrow from Terry Jones in Monty Python’s Life Of Brian, they were not Messiahs, they were very naughty boys.

All of this turmoil was bound to leave a support as broadly-based as that commanded by the Ibrox club as disarrayed as the institution itself, with internet forums throbbing with charge and counter-charge among fans who, ironically, share the primary wish of seeing their team achieve a new pre-eminence.

Yet, despite the cause and effect of the present chaos, there remains a puzzling insistence among the overwhelming majority of football reporters that Walter Smith remains “the only man the fans can trust.”

This is a distinction that hardly squares with Smith’s own inconstancy since the descent towards liquidation began early last year. Having fronted a consortium said to have included the billionaire businessman, Jim McColl, in a late bid to foil the takeover by the Green group, and having followed this with an entreaty to fans not to buy season tickets on the grounds that the new owners could not be trusted, Smith was curiously happy to accept a non-executive directorship (reputedly for a substantial honorarium) when it was offered by Green.

By the time he accepted the invitation to assume the chairmanship three months ago, Smith had been strangely quiet throughout his time on the board, a silence that would continue after his elevation. Throughout the turbulence, he has demonstrated a propensity for shifting loyalties that seems unbecoming for an aspiring – and inspiring – leader.

Indeed, Smith’s rather fluid sense of loyalty and allegiance recalls a line from Robert Bolt’s play, A Man For All Seasons. Berating his son-in-law, Will Roper, over his changeable, on-off relationship with the church, Thomas More tells him: “We must just pray that when your head stops spinning, your face is to the front again.”

Despite his history of vacillation and being satisfyingly rewarded at Ibrox, when Smith quit this week (he had been Green’s enemy, then his ally, and now he’s reverted to enmity), he triggered an extraordinary series of eulogies. One newspaper article described his efforts on Rangers’ behalf in these hard times as “valiant” and “selfless”, adjectives that would sit more comfortably on aid workers in the world’s most dangerous places.

Another reminded us of Smith’s imperishable love of the club with the quite absurd claim that he had even relinquished his post as Scotland manager in 2007 to ride to Rangers’ rescue after the team’s slump while in the hands of the hapless Paul le Guen. In recording this act of heroic sacrifice, the author omitted the detail that Smith’s defection from Hampden may have been at least partly inspired by the assurance that he would more than triple his wages.

If there has been so much as implied criticism of Smith’s departure, it has concerned the likelihood that he has left his old ally, Ally, as an easy target for Green’s whimsy. This is as unwarranted as the fawning tributes that would have Smith  recognised as a demi-god.

With a seemingly endless string of impulsive, ill-considered and ill-advised outbursts on a range of issues and events – in addition, of course, to too many embarrassing setbacks in competitions at home and in Europe – McCoist has proved perfectly capable of finding trouble on his own.

Jelle1880

That was a beauty.

Pretty calm start to the second half but it picked up afterwards.

All in all a very good game.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Sorry, i deleted it almost immediately, i had a laugh, but then thought better of posting it here

I found it funny nothing wrong with a joke

Broxi_Bear_Eire

4-1 Rangers delightful goal from Dean Shiels