epluribusunum wrote: » One last chance. Here we go: I think Hitler would have deserved the death penalty. It is concerning if you disagree with this. For your mental health. Just like Anyone else who takes a life. What is the difference in intentionally taking 1 life versus millions? Outside of the quantitative aspect, the principle does not change. So is there a certain number that must be reached? If so, at what number did Hitler deserve the death penalty?? 1,2,3, millionth Jew? Which number? Because they all had families, and a life. Or did he not deserve it at all? I hope you do not believe this.
namloc1980 wrote: » Why are you going on about Hitler?? Killing humans is wrong full stop. I know you are trying to turn this into a "being anti death penalty means you are pro-Nazis" point which is utterly bizarre and completely weakens and invalidates your arguments to this point.
epluribusunum wrote: » I will re-post it until someone addresses it. Here we go: I think Hitler would have deserved the death penalty. It is concerning if you disagree with this. For your mental health. Just like Anyone else who takes a life. What is the difference in intentionally taking 1 life versus millions? Outside of the quantitative aspect, the principle does not change. So is there a certain number that must be reached? If so, at what number did Hitler deserve the death penalty?? 1,2,3, millionth Jew? Which number? Because they all had families, and a life. Or did he not deserve it at all? I hope you do not believe this.
Yellow121 wrote: » Why not just kill them to make sure?
end of the road wrote: » he didn't deserve it at all
epluribusunum wrote: » And that is why I am going to completely remove myself from this thread. You cannot be sane to believe that what Hitler did was not grounds for the death penalty. You are the definition of disgusting to believe that which based on your earlier posts I think you seriously do. I guess the Jews, Slavs, etc should have contributed to his would be prison expenses as well?
end of the road wrote: » because life in prison is perfectly fine
green123 wrote: » i cant understand why we need repeat offenders as part of society, maybe someone can explain it to me ? surely the world would be a better place without these people ? 3 strikes and you are out - simple as that
epluribusunum wrote: » Logic is hard to manipulate, yes?
epluribusunum wrote: » What? The definition of sentient is the ability to perceive or feel things. A sentient being has empathy towards others and understands what suffering is. Secondly, she used that word- not me- so get your facts straight. But I like your attempt at sarcasm...quite an original delivery. Lastly, why are you so protective over such a monster anyway?
old hippy wrote: » No, it's not as simple as a numbers lottery. It's about ensuring your society does not become a vengeful killing machine in order to keep some shrill voters happy. It's about responsibility for all the people your society nurtures. "Good" and "bad".
epluribusunum wrote: » You did not address any issue of debate but instead went ahead and criticized a description because you had no point to make. I said that adults are also a clump of cells just like a fetus and you could not rebut. I said lethal injection is also a medical procedure just like abortion and you could not rebut. These are both derived from science so you cannot manipulate it out of convenience. Which by the way, I think every sane person would call the Boston bombers monsters. I do not know how you can possibly sympathize with someone who planned, walked along a row of people, dropped bombs, walked away, and watched people scream for their life in distraught, then went ahead and shot a cop from point blank range later that week for no reason, and then when the survivor went to court he looked the family members of the victims in the eyes, smirked and then pleaded "not guilty." If that is not a monster I do not know what is. If he has no remorse for his actions, and no regard for the life of others then why should the tax payers who witnessed this first hand have to pay for him to live the rest of his life? How can you sympathize with someone like that? Disgusting, truly disgusting. He killed this kid who is 8 and took his sister's leg who was 7 and yet according to you he does not deserve to die, that is absurd. It is not about revenge, it is about justice for the victims. And, yes the victims do matter considering how they are completely innocent and had this awful act put on their burden. I cannot believe you had the audacity to say that we should not sympathize with victims of terrible acts. Then who should we sympathize for? Ridiculous.http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1089212/thumbs/o-MARTIN-RICHARD-BOSTON-MARATHON-BOMBINGS-VICTIM-570.jpg?6 Please address the above because you are one sick individual if you can sympathize with those actions. I do not think you live in the real world if this is the case. You are not using logic but instead an ignorant progressive way of thinking, supported by your profound support of the hippy movement, that rejects common sense. Just because you try to differ in philosophical views of the "mainstream" at the extent of sounding ridiculous does not make you more intellectual, instead most would argue it makes you seem out of touch with reality. Think for yourself and not what a group feeds to you, yeah all forms of abortion is okay but monsters should get to live. Give me a break.
Yellow121 wrote: » I think we've gone too soft. Back in the day humans killed eachother and no one batted an eyelid. People fought to the death. Life wasn't seen as so precious. Now, obviously it's good we've moved on but we're going too far in the opposite direction. We don't owe rapists and cold blooded murderers anything. I used to think like you, kill these people and we're just as bad but now I think different. These people deserve the ultimate punishment, they don't deserve what we hold so precious. They don't deserve lfe.
old hippy wrote: » It's about responsibility for all the people your society nurtures. "Good" and "bad".
old hippy wrote: » I promise you, you never used to think like me.
Yellow121 wrote: » Why? Life in prison is not that bad these days. Conditions are very good, too good for the type of person we are talking about.
mickydoomsux wrote: » It isn't societies job to tolerate or babysit these people who aren't willing to abide by that self same societies rules.
Love2u wrote: » It seems prison is "bad these days" and who are we to say conditions are very good unless we have ourselves spend time there to say any different. What "type" of person are we talking about? No one has the right to take human life away, and no one deserves death penalty. What about finding out the reasons that led up to a person committing such crimes, how about trying to evaluate and dish out proper structures and help for these people. Death doesn't work, it creates a whole new set of problems.
gitane007 wrote: » Hard Labour...............make clothes build playgrounds finish unfinished developments or fix roads for the country for nothing. Fix leaking water or sewer pipes or clean up the canals or sort recycling. ****in loads they could be doin that could save us all money rather than costing us money.
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » In other words, take paid labour away from people?
old hippy wrote: » Yes, it is. Society is not exclusive. It is our duty to ensure all in it are treated fairly.
Yellow121 wrote: » If we let them live we are not treating them fairly. The fair thing for rapists and murderers is the ending of their existence.
Yellow121 wrote: » We're talking about rapists and cold blooded murderers. We can try and help these people if problems are spotted, we can help them as much as we can until they cross that line. Once they're over it there's no turning back. There is no reason good enough to commit such acts. None. Death is a punishment that's fitting in these cases.
old hippy wrote: » No, the fair thing is to delve deep into their psyche/backgrounds and all those who find themselves acting in similar fashion. We cannot prevent or control those actions until we have more information and documentation. Rehabilitation may not work in some cases but the death penalty is not a deterrent.
