Would you support the reintroduction of the death penalty?

epluribusunum wrote: »

It would have to be 100 percent. A person like Hitler did terrible acts; with 100 percent confidence everybody can say that, unless you are also a conspiracy theorist?

Not to my knowledge. And Hitler committed suicide, so what would that achieve?

epluribusunum wrote: »

The question of it being a deterrent is arguable, but it definetely does not encourage murder. Plus, you are not taking American inner cities vs European inner cities into account. That is irresponsible.

Well, you can't - only one of them has the death penalty.

The question is not "is it a deterrent?" it's "has it ever worked as a deterrent?"

Me_Grapes

epluribusunum wrote: »

Plus, Just because EU law says something does not mean it is right. You have to use your own logic, not turn to what governments currently think.

If I could thank this point a million times, I would

osarusan

epluribusunum wrote: »

I am aware of the laws, look at the title.

If you are aware of the title of the thread, and the laws, then you know that your earlier post is wrong:

epluribusunum wrote: »

Once you committ a horrible act you have forfeited your right to live because you stopped someone else from living or did something else really awful.

In Ireland, and many many other countries, committing a horrible act does not mean a criminal forfeits their right to live.

Me_Grapes

osarusan wrote: »

In Ireland, and many many other countries, committing a horrible act does not mean a criminal forfeits their right to live.

.......but it should.

Should qualify that by saying by "horrible acts" I mean murder.

I think Hitler would have deserved the death penalty.

It is concerning if you disagree with this. For your mental health.

Just like Anyone else who takes a life. What is the difference in intentionally taking 1 life versus millions? Outside of the quantitative aspect, the principle does not change.

So is there a certain number that must be reached?
Or did he not deserve it at all? I hope you do not believe this.

claypigeon777

The only question that needs answering is whether the death penalty deters criminals? Well statistics show that it doesn't.

Besides violent sadistic psychopaths who commit the most heinous crimes are incapable of empathy, have zero fear and a complete absence of remorse.

If the deaths of other people don't matter why would the death of someone like them?

Their only rule is "Thou shalt not get caught."

The death penalty does not deter them. Rather it encourages them to take more precautions.

epluribusunum wrote: »

I am aware of the laws, look at the title.

It extends to killing people if the degree of the crime was as equally as bad as killing someone with the utmost lack of regard for the human race. Right a wrong. There are penalties for everything and they are worst than the act itself, should be no different in this case. This is called punishment. Social norms are a reflection but not an identical agreement. Otherwise, there would be no debate over things like this or abortion for instance because everybody would agree. Social norms differ with people but laws can not be broken. Plus, Just because EU law says something does not mean it is right. You have to use your own logic, not turn to what governments currently think.

In 2001 Irish society voted in a referendum to completely remove Capital punishment from our Constitution and thus from our legal system. That was society deciding, not "what governments currently think".

Me_Grapes wrote: »

.......but it should.

Should qualify that by saying by "horrible acts" I mean murder.

But it doesn't. We voted in a referendum to say it doesn't.

wp_rathead

epluribusunum wrote: »

I think Hitler would have deserved the death penalty.

It is concerning if you disagree with this. For your mental health.

Just like Anyone else who takes a life. What is the difference in intentionally taking 1 life versus millions? Outside of the quantitative aspect, the principle does not change.

So is there a certain number that must be reached?
Or did he not deserve it at all? I hope you do not believe this.

Nice to see Godwin's law in full flow here

epluribusunum wrote: »

I think Hitler would have deserved the death penalty.

Hitler thought so too.

It is concerning if you disagree with this. For your mental health.

Just like Anyone else who takes a life. What is the difference in intentionally taking 1 life versus millions? Outside of the quantitative aspect, the principle does not change.

So is there a certain number that must be reached?
Or did he not deserve it at all? I hope you do not believe this.

Hitler's irrelevant. We're talking about the reintrodcution of the death penalty to modern society, not whether someone from history did or did not deserve to die.

The question is: what do you hope the reintroduction of the death penalty would achieve?

Me_Grapes

namloc1980 wrote: »

But it doesn't. We voted in a referendum to say it doesn't.

I'm well aware of what the majority of people feel about affording human rights to murderers.

I just plain disagree with them.

Any takers on the Hitler question? Tis a clusterfcuk!

I think Hitler would have deserved the death penalty.

It is concerning if you disagree with this. For your mental health.

Just like Anyone else who takes a life. What is the difference in intentionally taking 1 life versus millions? Outside of the quantitative aspect, the principle does not change.

So is there a certain number that must be reached? If so, at what number did Hitler deserve the death penalty?? 1,2,3, millionth Jew? Which number? Because they all had families, and a life.

Or did he not deserve it at all? I hope you do not believe this.

epluribusunum wrote: »

Any takers on the Hitler question? Tis a clusterfcuk!

I think Hitler would have deserved the death penalty.

It is concerning if you disagree with this. For your mental health.

Just like Anyone else who takes a life. What is the difference in intentionally taking 1 life versus millions? Outside of the quantitative aspect, the principle does not change.

So is there a certain number that must be reached? If so, at what number did Hitler deserve the death penalty?? 1,2,3, millionth Jew? Which number? Because they all had families, and a life.

Or did he not deserve it at all? I hope you do not believe this.

Three posts up.

I will re-post it until someone addresses it. Here we go:

I think Hitler would have deserved the death penalty.

It is concerning if you disagree with this. For your mental health.

Just like Anyone else who takes a life. What is the difference in intentionally taking 1 life versus millions? Outside of the quantitative aspect, the principle does not change.

So is there a certain number that must be reached? If so, at what number did Hitler deserve the death penalty?? 1,2,3, millionth Jew? Which number? Because they all had families, and a life.

Or did he not deserve it at all? I hope you do not believe this.

epluribusunum wrote: »

Any takers on the Hitler question? Tis a clusterfcuk!

I think Hitler would have deserved the death penalty.

It is concerning if you disagree with this. For your mental health.

Just like Anyone else who takes a life. What is the difference in intentionally taking 1 life versus millions? Outside of the quantitative aspect, the principle does not change.

So is there a certain number that must be reached? If so, at what number did Hitler deserve the death penalty?? 1,2,3, millionth Jew? Which number? Because they all had families, and a life.

Or did he not deserve it at all? I hope you do not believe this.

What about Stalin, Blair, Bush, Obama, Kissinger?

epluribusunum wrote: »

I will re-post it until someone addresses it. Here we go:

I think Hitler would have deserved the death penalty.

It is concerning if you disagree with this. For your mental health.

Just like Anyone else who takes a life. What is the difference in intentionally taking 1 life versus millions? Outside of the quantitative aspect, the principle does not change.

So is there a certain number that must be reached? If so, at what number did Hitler deserve the death penalty?? 1,2,3, millionth Jew? Which number? Because they all had families, and a life.

Or did he not deserve it at all? I hope you do not believe this.

Read the posts above yours before doing so.

HAHAHAHHAHAH!

I will take the point of not addressing it as a win for me. Fair enough, it was an uphill battle for you people.

Thanks guys! I could not have done it without your utter silence and avoidance!

epluribusunum wrote: »

HAHAHAHHAHAH!

I will take the point of not addressing it as a win for me. Fair enough, it was an uphill battle for you people.

Thanks guys! I could not have done it without your utter silence and avoidance!

Whenever someone brings up Hitler it means they have run out of reasonable arguments to continue to support their point and must then resort to Adolf, just as you have.

Boom. Took you all on and shut you all up. Goodnight.

...crickets...

epluribusunum wrote: »

Boom. Took you all on and shut you all up. Goodnight.

...crickets...

Sure you did....

namloc1980 wrote: »

Sure you did....

Cedrus

namloc1980 wrote: »

Nice strawman there I must say. And the death penalty is not a deterrent, because if it was murder would be unheard of in the USA. Yet it has a murder rate substantially higher than the European Union, where capital punishment is illegal under all circumstances.

+1 to both points
Epluribusunum specialises in strawmen, I'd like to say textbook, but not really that good, more baiting or trolling, definitely lost sight of the ball and just going for ankles now, the ball is forgotten.

The murder rate in USA v EU is a more complicated kind of fish, with many ingredients in the recipe.
Gun ownership, machismo and lack of access to mental healthcare are high on the US scorecard imo.
The crime stats across the EU and USA are not necessarily directly comparable but the police / judicial systems have not yet collapsed on either side so I'd call a draw there.

Cedrus wrote: »

+1 to both points
Epluribusunum specialises in strawmen, I'd like to say textbook, but not really that good, more baiting or trolling, definitely lost sight of the ball and just going for ankles now, the ball is forgotten.

The murder rate in USA v EU is a more complicated kind of fish, with many ingredients in the recipe.
Gun ownership, machismo and lack of access to mental healthcare are high on the US scorecard imo.
The crime stats across the EU and USA are not necessarily directly comparable but the police / judicial systems have not yet collapsed on either side so I'd call a draw there.

epluribusunum wrote: »

I will re-post it until someone addresses it. Here we go:

I think Hitler would have deserved the death penalty.

It is concerning if you disagree with this. For your mental health.

Just like Anyone else who takes a life. What is the difference in intentionally taking 1 life versus millions? Outside of the quantitative aspect, the principle does not change.

So is there a certain number that must be reached? If so, at what number did Hitler deserve the death penalty?? 1,2,3, millionth Jew? Which number? Because they all had families, and a life.

Or did he not deserve it at all? I hope you do not believe this.

Why are you going on about Hitler?? Killing humans is wrong full stop. I know you are trying to turn this into a "being anti death penalty means you are pro-Nazis" point which is utterly bizarre and completely weakens and invalidates your arguments to this point.

johnnyskeleton

epluribusunum wrote: »

HAHAHAHHAHAH!

I will take the point of not addressing it as a win for me. Fair enough, it was an uphill battle for you people.

Thanks guys! I could not have done it without your utter silence and avoidance!

24 minutes to win the internets, must be a new record!

shane9689

Jumboman wrote: »

I've a question for people who support human rights for scumbags,

If a member of your family was brutally raped and murdered by a savage criminal would you really care about their human rights or would you want justice ?

history has proven that harsh sentencing doesnt greatly reduce crime rates. rehabilitation and mental care does, if you dont rehabilitate then more scumbags will come from those scumbags...as for the murdering rapists, they most likely should get a life sentence in which case they wont have a chance to do that again

This must be inconvenient for you.

I would love to hear each of your thoughts, back and forth in your defeated mind. My hypothesis is that it resembles something like this :

"Oh, well he raises a good point"
"Well should I address it? I mean, nobody has yet."
"No, don't he has logic on his side, just stay calm and make jokes- it has worked before."
"Yeah, your right the others who were too big of cowards to use reasoning will follow suit and we can get out of this with terrible sarcasm."
"Yeah, seems like a plan. After all he has just completely destroyed our argument, I wish I could give him props but my shameless ego won't let me."
"No, just continue to act like you are away even though you were just yelling at him about all these stupid arguments a minute ago."
"Doesn't it seem weird though that everybody stopped all of a sudden, and then when he boasted to get a reaction we all chimed in?"
"Yeah, it does but there is nothing we can do anymore."
"True, okay humor it is."

One last chance. Here we go:

I think Hitler would have deserved the death penalty.

It is concerning if you disagree with this. For your mental health.

Just like Anyone else who takes a life. What is the difference in intentionally taking 1 life versus millions? Outside of the quantitative aspect, the principle does not change.

So is there a certain number that must be reached? If so, at what number did Hitler deserve the death penalty?? 1,2,3, millionth Jew? Which number? Because they all had families, and a life.

Or did he not deserve it at all? I hope you do not believe this.