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Irish Pubs in OZ - Dodging vomit and flying fists

Grandeeod

What do you all make of this. Stereotyping or has this Aussie got a point?

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/restaurants-bars/as-two-irish-pubs-close-we-ask-whether-they8217ve-had-their-day/story-fn93ypt9-1226690295223

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dj jarvis

someone made the point earlier that it could also other nationals giving the Irish bars a bad name

I worked in 2 different Irish bars in Germany and ran one in Greece, and in Germany it was Americans and British who were the biggest trouble , and in Greece it was English - hands down,
not saying the Irish were saints but in percentage terms of trouble they did not make the top 5

i never had to belt any Irish with a pool q across the head for trying to storm the bar

but...... i have some mates living in Australia decades and they are coming back with some horror stories of the Irish "on tour"

some stereotypes are true - and this goes for all nations , some Australians are know as aggressive Racist knob jockeys for a reason

Drakares

That article is feckin hilarious. Because it's got a hint of truth to it :pac:

Playboy

sadie06 wrote: »

People in glass houses.....

I had the misfortune to end up in The Church (an Aussie haunt) in London one Sunday a few years back. I have never in all my life seen carry on like I did there, and at the Aussie bar we went on to later.

I can't even describe the unfunniness of the 'fun' being had by hammered Aussie backpackers at 4 O'Clock on a Sunday afternoon. It was mental!

There are plenty of Irish that go to the Church!

sadie06

Playboy wrote: »

There are plenty of Irish that go to the Church!

Oh I know! My point is, the 'on tour' mentality is prevalent amongst many nationalities when they gather in a country other than their own, and the Aussies are capable of extreme messiness!

For the record, I can't understand why anyone, of any nationality would want to spend 5 mins in The Church.

Stevie888

dj jarvis wrote: »

someone made the point earlier that it could also other nationals giving the Irish bars a bad name

It really, really isn't. A high proportion of Irish over in Oz are an absolute disgrace, I'm surprised more isn't being made of it in the media. And most backpackers from other nationalities wouldn't dream of ever going to one. It's the irish themselves giving the irish bars a bad name.

dj jarvis

Stevie888 wrote: »

It really, really isn't. A high proportion of Irish over in Oz are an absolute disgrace, I'm surprised more isn't being made of it in the media. And most backpackers from other nationalities wouldn't dream of ever going to one. It's the irish themselves giving the irish bars a bad name.

plenty has been on the media about it , problem is the slant taken,
so it's all Irish that are causing the trouble at Irish bars ?
none of the locals or other tourists are getting ****faced ?

as i said in my post , the Irish are no saints , but from my vast experience of Irish pubs abroad - it aint just the Irish - far from it

as for only the Irish frequent the Irish bars , try reading the the comments on the site , majority are positive , majority are from locals

you see , most educated people will understand that just because some of one nation act like savages , does not mean the rest are like them.

Its called not being ignorant.

Stevie888

dj jarvis wrote: »

plenty has been on the media about it , problem is the slant taken,
so it's all Irish that are causing the trouble at Irish bars ?
none of the locals or other tourists are getting ****faced ?

as i said in my post , the Irish are no saints , but from my vast experience of Irish pubs abroad - it aint just the Irish - far from it

as for only the Irish frequent the Irish bars , try reading the the comments on the site , majority are positive , majority are from locals

you see , most educated people will understand that just because some of one nation act like savages , does not mean the rest are like them.

Its called not being ignorant.

I'm going by what I saw first hand so no ignorance here. Yes, it is overwhelmingly Irish causing the trouble. We are starting to get quite a bad reputation over there not only amongst locals but with other backpackers aswell, and believe me, it's fully justified.

Dostoevsky

they dont actually slag irish people though, just irish bars. Which lets face it, are usually plastic shíte abroad

And, much more importantly, with their foreign soccer sh ite blaring every night killing conversation, pubs in Ireland are now as plastic as plastic Paddy can become.

Culturally, with some notable exceptions like The Gravediggers, the traditional Irish pub as a community centre is dead in Dublin and what's left is an impersonal tv-dominated space of noise where muppets sit around and watch the same commercial "sport" pulp as people in Britain, having little or no connection with the local community or interest in it.

The new 'plastic Paddys' are right there in those Irish pubs following the latest fashion as told to them through a tv box. Because "Irish pubs" do precisely the same outside Ireland they become "plastic Paddys".

SherlockWatson

Stevie888 wrote: »

I'm going by what I saw first hand so no ignorance here. Yes, it is overwhelmingly Irish causing the trouble. We are starting to get quite a bad reputation over there not only amongst locals but with other backpackers aswell, and believe me, it's fully justified.

First hand?

You've met the majority of Irish people in Australia?

lufties

event wrote: »

they dont actually slag irish people though, just irish bars.
Which lets face it, are usually plastic shíte abroad

True, can't wait to get home next month and go for creamy pints in Dublin, mother reilly's, macsorely's, long hall and so on

stefan idiot jones

I'm in Brisbane where there is naturally quite a few Irish and I have heard nothing derogatory at all.

However, mention the word Perth and Irish in the same sentence and it's widely known what carry on happens there.

What is happening and reported from Perth is giving the Irish a deserved reputation there but as usual there is a lot more good than bad in Australia but when dies that ever sell papers etc.?

Fratton Fred

Dostoevsky wrote: »

And, much more importantly, with their foreign soccer sh ite blaring every night killing conversation, pubs in Ireland are now as plastic as plastic Paddy can become.

Culturally, with some notable exceptions like The Gravediggers, the traditional Irish pub as a community centre is dead in Dublin and what's left is an impersonal tv-dominated space of noise where muppets sit around and watch the same commercial "sport" pulp as people in Britain, having little or no connection with the local community or interest in it.

The new 'plastic Paddys' are right there in those Irish pubs following the latest fashion as told to them through a tv box. Because "Irish pubs" do precisely the same outside Ireland they become "plastic Paddys".

It's shocking Joe, I passed a cross road this morning and people were selling bleedin newspapers. Newspapers Joe, not one comely dancing maiden to be seen anywhere. I blame sky tv.

Demosthenese

Truth always hurts somewhat eh? Can't have it both ways. We are a nation of fun loving people that are great craic for tourists, as well as wife beating drunks whose kids are young alcoholics.

Proud.

gobnaitolunacy

And the outback boozers are havens of gentility serving cups of Earl Grey Tea I suppose?

Pot/kettle.

--Kaiser--

Right, are we pretending that a vast contingent of the Irish in Oz aren't over there treating it like an extended holiday and drinking their loaves off?

mikom

"What's that skip, you say trolls exist in the print media as well?"

josip

That article would be pretty factually correct IMO.
Most domestic Australians would be used to a more staid social environment than the Irish away from home pub scene would cater for. A lot of socialising takes place in venues such as Leagues clubs where it's ok to squander your children's food money on pokies, but it's not ok to wear a t-shirt. The average socialising Australian, regardless of age would have a more limited, narrow-minded outlook on many things, including alcohol (this may not be a bad thing) and the type of environment in which to consume it. The Irish backpacker scene in Australia would be fun, but not particularly responsible and very few of the "Oirish" establishments over there would pass muster. As long as they had pool tables and cheap jugs of beer the backpackers didn't care.

Amirani

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Right, are we pretending that a vast contingent of the Irish in Oz aren't over there treating it like an extended holiday and drinking their loaves off?

Not at all, I'm sure there's plenty being right *****. The point is that the Aussies are conveniently forgetting that their backpackers do the exact same stuff in Europe all year round.

Leftist

good article. You'd want to be a raging spa to go to irish pubs abroad.

Funny thing is, I've heard first hand from people whining about the horrific racism and hardships they've endured in oz (being on the receiving end of a comment or two) and then whinging about the 'polish' and blacks taking the jobs in ireland

Stevie888

SherlockWatson wrote: »

First hand?

You've met the majority of Irish people in Australia?

No, when did I say I did?! I think you are confused. I said any trouble I have seen has almost always been caused by Irish people, not that I have met them all. That would be just stupid.

Dostoevsky

Fratton Fred wrote: »

It's shocking Joe, I passed a cross road this morning and people were selling bleedin newspapers. Newspapers Joe, not one comely dancing maiden to be seen anywhere. I blame sky tv.

Are you alright in the head?

Fratton Fred

Dostoevsky wrote: »

Are you alright in the head?

Perfectly fine, thanks for your concern.

Welcome to the 21st century by the way.

krudler

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Right, are we pretending that a vast contingent of the Irish in Oz aren't over there treating it like an extended holiday and drinking their loaves off?

It's only ok when we say that, if another country says it then they're generalising.

[Deleted User]

Dostoevsky wrote: »

And, much more importantly, with their foreign soccer sh ite blaring every night killing conversation, pubs in Ireland are now as plastic as plastic Paddy can become.

Culturally, with some notable exceptions like The Gravediggers, the traditional Irish pub as a community centre is dead in Dublin and what's left is an impersonal tv-dominated space of noise where muppets sit around and watch the same commercial "sport" pulp as people in Britain, having little or no connection with the local community or interest in it.

The new 'plastic Paddys' are right there in those Irish pubs following the latest fashion as told to them through a tv box. Because "Irish pubs" do precisely the same outside Ireland they become "plastic Paddys".

Pubs in providing what the majority of people want shocker!!!

gobnaitolunacy

Jaiden Gorgeous Spark wrote: »

Pubs in providing what they think the majority of people want shocker!!!

FYP

Iwannahurl

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Right, are we pretending that a vast contingent of the Irish in Oz aren't over there treating it like an extended holiday and drinking their loaves off?

When I was in Melbourne from February to May last year, I encountered only one bunch of drunken people roaring incoherently in the street. That was around the middle of March, perhaps not coincidentally.

That's not to say that there isn't a boozing culture to be found among Aussies, just that I didn't encounter any of whatever exists. However, it's an undeniable fact that Ireland is closer than Australia is to the top of the world drinking league (as measured by litres of pure alcohol consumed per capita per year).

Some people are proud of that kind of accolade, but when you consider that levels of abstention tend to be higher in Ireland than elsewhere we might even be bigger drinking champions than we think.

Twenty or thirty years ago abstention used to be in the region of 20% for men and 30% for women. Now it's about 13% overall, varying by age and gender.

anncoates

Dostoevsky wrote: »

And, much more importantly, with their foreign soccer sh ite blaring every night killing conversation, pubs in Ireland are now as plastic as plastic Paddy can become.
.

Last time I checked, most of them were blaring out a fair bit of bogball as well.

Or is that more acceptable to your refined De Valera palate?

[Deleted User]

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

FYP

Pubs aren't paying massive fees to sky for nothing. One pub I go to changed provider and had some down time, during the down time business nose dived.

Watch how a pub fills up before a match and empties after. People want sport in pubs.

Gambas

Stinicker wrote: »

Ahhh, the Cock & Bull in Bondi, good memories!

What a kip. Used to attract 32 shades of gaa jerseys. Reminds me of that bar in Star Wars where Obi Wan hired the Millennium Falcon.

Dostoevsky

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Perfectly fine, thanks for your concern.

Welcome to the 21st century by the way.

TV was actually around in the 20th century, by the way. People sitting around it thinking it is the centre of the world and everybody should be forced to listen to it was "cool" in about 1960 so well done, you.