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Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012

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robopaddy

PTH2009 wrote: »

Donal Og Cusack would make a good manager but id say he be more intrested in managing Cork.

Liam Sheedy would be good but doubt he would be intrested in managing Waterford.

Jason Ryan with a top hurling coach

Dereck Mcgrath, John Meeney, John Myler, Paul Flynn could be possibiltys

Michael Walsh from Kilkenny is a guy with serious credentials. Whether he would be interested I dont know but hes definitely available

Speak Now

robopaddy wrote: »

Michael Walsh from Kilkenny is a guy with serious credentials. Whether he would be interested I dont know but hes definitely available

I hope you're joking! Did a poor job with KK Under 21's.

soggy biscuit

I for one would want Michael Ryan out the door any way. Everyone going on about progress?? Where is It? As was said before Ryan came in we were in semi finals and munster finals constantly. Last year we got to a munster final and never looked like winning it a all, and then had a very disappointing quarter final v cork. This year, we were terrible against clare first day out. Beat a poor offaly team, beat a westmeath team handy in the end as to be expected yet struggled for the first half. Then the match v kilkenny. Fair enough they showed a bit of heart and could have won it, but as was also said, kilkenny were there for the taking as has been shown this year v offaly, dublin and cork. Where is the progress in that can someone tell me? At the end of the day we lost the match and people are happy with the "moral victory" of running them close.
Ropaire has said "He's blooded alot of new players and particularly from 1-9 we're very strong". From the team that started v kilkenny from 1-9, the only people blooded were Sok, Shane Fives and Daragh Fives. Rest of the players already there, and soky and fives were always going to be making that team, were just too young the last few years. All the rest of the panel were playing from the regime before. The only other players blooded have been Jamie Barron and Jake Dillon who have both failed to reach their potential shown in club championship and at other levels of intercounty. Now fair enough, its not Ryans fault that the forwards we have at the moment arent good enough. Whether it be down to no experience or being too light. Also, its clear as day that mullane only left the panel due to the fact Ryan stayed on. Our best forward gone before we even started championship. Don't be surprised to see him back next year if a new man is in charge.

As has been shown this year the hurling championship has become a lot more open. Kilkenny, Tipp have come down a notch and other teams progressing nicely, its so open any team in the semis could go on to win it now. i'd love for me to be saying that about Waterford next year, and they have a great chance of doing it. I'd love to see someone like Derek McGrath come in and do a job now. Now i await all the angry replies that are going to come my way......

Professey Chin

soggy biscuit wrote: »

I for one would want Michael Ryan out the door any way. Everyone going on about progress?? Where is It? As was said before Ryan came in we were in semi finals and munster finals constantly. Last year we got to a munster final and never looked like winning it a all, and then had a very disappointing quarter final v cork. This year, we were terrible against clare first day out. Beat a poor offaly team, beat a westmeath team handy in the end as to be expected yet struggled for the first half. Then the match v kilkenny. Fair enough they showed a bit of heart and could have won it, but as was also said, kilkenny were there for the taking as has been shown this year v offaly, dublin and cork. Where is the progress in that can someone tell me? At the end of the day we lost the match and people are happy with the "moral victory" of running them close.
Ropaire has said "He's blooded alot of new players and particularly from 1-9 we're very strong". From the team that started v kilkenny from 1-9, the only people blooded were Sok, Shane Fives and Daragh Fives. Rest of the players already there, and soky and fives were always going to be making that team, were just too young the last few years. All the rest of the panel were playing from the regime before. The only other players blooded have been Jamie Barron and Jake Dillon who have both failed to reach their potential shown in club championship and at other levels of intercounty. Now fair enough, its not Ryans fault that the forwards we have at the moment arent good enough. Whether it be down to no experience or being too light. Also, its clear as day that mullane only left the panel due to the fact Ryan stayed on. Our best forward gone before we even started championship. Don't be surprised to see him back next year if a new man is in charge.

As has been shown this year the hurling championship has become a lot more open. Kilkenny, Tipp have come down a notch and other teams progressing nicely, its so open any team in the semis could go on to win it now. i'd love for me to be saying that about Waterford next year, and they have a great chance of doing it. I'd love to see someone like Derek McGrath come in and do a job now. Now i await all the angry replies that are going to come my way......

Nah. Wouldnt even bother after that rambling

Deise_2012

soggy biscuit wrote: »

I for one would want Michael Ryan out the door any way. Everyone going on about progress?? Where is It? As was said before Ryan came in we were in semi finals and munster finals constantly. Last year we got to a munster final and never looked like winning it a all, and then had a very disappointing quarter final v cork. This year, we were terrible against clare first day out. Beat a poor offaly team, beat a westmeath team handy in the end as to be expected yet struggled for the first half. Then the match v kilkenny. Fair enough they showed a bit of heart and could have won it, but as was also said, kilkenny were there for the taking as has been shown this year v offaly, dublin and cork. Where is the progress in that can someone tell me? At the end of the day we lost the match and people are happy with the "moral victory" of running them close.
Ropaire has said "He's blooded alot of new players and particularly from 1-9 we're very strong". From the team that started v kilkenny from 1-9, the only people blooded were Sok, Shane Fives and Daragh Fives. Rest of the players already there, and soky and fives were always going to be making that team, were just too young the last few years. All the rest of the panel were playing from the regime before. The only other players blooded have been Jamie Barron and Jake Dillon who have both failed to reach their potential shown in club championship and at other levels of intercounty. Now fair enough, its not Ryans fault that the forwards we have at the moment arent good enough. Whether it be down to no experience or being too light. Also, its clear as day that mullane only left the panel due to the fact Ryan stayed on. Our best forward gone before we even started championship. Don't be surprised to see him back next year if a new man is in charge.

As has been shown this year the hurling championship has become a lot more open. Kilkenny, Tipp have come down a notch and other teams progressing nicely, its so open any team in the semis could go on to win it now. i'd love for me to be saying that about Waterford next year, and they have a great chance of doing it. I'd love to see someone like Derek McGrath come in and do a job now. Now i await all the angry replies that are going to come my way......

Ah yeah sure, I thought we really had a chance in the 2011 muster final, I spose the 7th goal Tipp scored was the killer, still in the game up until then! Missing 7 players from the panel v Kilkenny, and we end up losing in extra time, what's Ryan at like? Davy Fitz or Derek McGrath definately would have got us through that match!
Jake Dillon only scoring about 8-30 in the club championship so far this season, Jamie Barrons 1st season as a inter county forward, if they couldn't "reach their potential" this season might aswel drop them for next year, clearly they're not good enough! Stephen Daniels and Jamie Nagle were flying under davy fitz sure weren't they? The former wasn't constantly on and off the panel and the latter being used as a substitute at best.

soggy biscuit

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Ah yeah sure, I thought we really had a chance in the 2011 muster final, I spose the 7th goal Tipp scored was the killer, still in the game up until then! Missing 7 players from the panel v Kilkenny, and we end up losing in extra time, what's Ryan at like? Davy Fitz or Derek McGrath definately would have got us through that match!
Jake Dillon only scoring about 8-30 in the club championship so far this season, Jamie Barrons 1st season as a inter county forward, if they couldn't "reach their potential" this season might aswel drop them for next year, clearly they're not good enough! Stephen Daniels and Jamie Nagle were flying under davy fitz sure weren't they? The former wasn't constantly on and off the panel and the latter being used as a substitute at best.

Have to disagree about that munster final buck, felt it was the 5th goal that killed us. Who were these 7 players missing as a matter of interest? And yes you're kind of backing up my point re dillon. He's the best forward in the club scene at the moment, but can't do it at intercounty yet. Why are you getting touchy over it? I never said drop the 2 lads for next year, just asking where everyone thinks we're making this progress? And yes, fair enough on daniels, he was after coming on a tonne before his injury.

Deise_2012

soggy biscuit wrote: »

Have to disagree about that munster final buck, felt it was the 5th goal that killed us. Who were these 7 players missing as a matter of interest? And yes you're kind of backing up my point re dillon. He's the best forward in the club scene at the moment, but can't do it at intercounty yet. Why are you getting touchy over it? I never said drop the 2 lads for next year, just asking where everyone thinks we're making this progress? And yes, fair enough on daniels, he was after coming on a tonne before his injury.

Sorry I read your comments about dillon and barron wrongly, but in fairness it's a big step up to senior inter county. Jamie Nagle has imroved a lot aswel as Daniels you have to admit. Brian O Halloran, the 2 Mahony's, Gavin O' Brien, Stephen Molumphy, Steven Daniels and a Shane Walsh that's not 40% coming on against KK. When last have we had such an inexperienced panel in fairness? Bringing in a new manager is pointless, you need stability around the team now

deisedude

soggy biscuit wrote: »

Have to disagree about that munster final buck, felt it was the 5th goal that killed us. Who were these 7 players missing as a matter of interest? And yes you're kind of backing up my point re dillon. He's the best forward in the club scene at the moment, but can't do it at intercounty yet. Why are you getting touchy over it? I never said drop the 2 lads for next year, just asking where everyone thinks we're making this progress? And yes, fair enough on daniels, he was after coming on a tonne before his injury.

Dillon is one of the top scorers from play in the championship so you are talking out your arse

Ropaire

Compared to how we were playing under Davy progress is being made. Davy got us to semi finals alright, but we played a brutal, negative, defensive system that shackled the players with just Mullane in the inside forward line on his own. He didn't trust the players he had to cut loose and just play, he robbed alot of guys of confidence and leaving lads like Dan on the bench was rediculous! Any time Davy brought Dan in as a late sub Dan saved his arse, the Galway match and the replay with Cork spring to mind. We were going backwards then, losing some great players, haemoraging cash and we shipped 2 monstrous hidings in the process.

Compare that to now, the only player with an issue seems to be Mullane, but he's retired and good luck to him with that. We have a settled backline that doesn't look likely to cough up many goals, never mind 7 in 1 game where we were supposed to be set up to stop goals, and we know we're light in the forward line. The worst we've played this year was against Clare where we bossed them but couldnt buy a score, which is what lost us the game. But having seen younger lads like Maurice, Dillon, Fives and Ray Barry showing well along with Nagle and the likes playing to a level I didnt think they had theres a bit of optimism that we're on an upward curve again. If these lads can click as a unit they'll do damage, with additions from the u21s and minors even better again. Why would you want to take the risk in changing it now when we saw the mess our last manager left us in financially and with the squad?

doz

One other point that I think should be made is that the Championship is far more competitive now than it was when Davy was in charge when Clare, Limerick and Cork were struggling. We have no divine right to nor should we be expecting to appear in semi finals every year. Next year's Munster Championship will be one of the most competitive in years and it will take a very good side to win it. Some good sides will be in the qualifiers next year and it will be tough going. That said I have not seen anything this year to suggest that we can not compete with the top sides next year. A lot of people here criticised the team for losing to Clare who now have a fine chance of winning an AI. Tight margins indeed but hopefully we will be on the right side of it next year.

Mountainlad

Players who made their Senior championship debut under Michael Ryan:

Stephen O Keeffe
Stephen Daniels
Philip Mahony
Shane Fives
Gavin O Brien
Martin O Neill
Paudie Prendergast
Jamie Barron
Jake Dillon
Ray Barry
Eddie Barrett
Dean Twomey

Total=12 players, 7 games

Players who made their Senior championship debut under Davy "I played 40 players in the league" Fitzgerald:

Jamie Nagle
Noel Connors
Richie Foley
Gary Hurney
Maurice Shanahan
Shane Casey
Liam Lawlor
Brian O Halloran
Darragh Fives
Paudi Mahony
Thomas Ryan
David O'Sullivan
Jerome Meagher
Brian O'Sullivan

Total=14 players in 18 games

Yeah sure, no players have been blooded. And sure isn't it only right to expect 19 year olds to automatically burst on to the scene as superstars, when they're miles behind physically in development to lads who've been their for years! Crazy stuff

Am open to corrections on the list of players though I know I'm not far wrong.

suitcasepink

Mountainlad wrote: »

Players who made their Senior championship debut under Michael Ryan:

Stephen O Keeffe
Stephen Daniels
Philip Mahony
Shane Fives
Gavin O Brien
Martin O Neill
Paudie Prendergast
Jamie Barron
Jake Dillon
Ray Barry
Eddie Barrett
Dean Twomey

Total=12 players, 7 games

Players who made their Senior championship debut under Davy "I played 40 players in the league" Fitzgerald:

Jamie Nagle
Noel Connors
Richie Foley
Gary Hurney
Maurice Shanahan
Shane Casey
Liam Lawlor
Brian O Halloran
Darragh Fives
Paudi Mahony

Total=10 players in 18 games

Yeah sure, no players have been blooded. And sure isn't it only right to expect 19 year olds to automatically burst on to the scene as superstars, when they're miles behind physically in development to lads who've been their for years! Crazy stuff

Am open to corrections on the list of players though I know I'm not far wrong.

David O'Sullivan and Thomas Ryan?

Mountainlad

deise_girl wrote: »

David O'Sullivan and Thomas Ryan?

That's two, 12 all so. My point was just that a lot is made of Davy blooding players when he came in, but in close to three times as many games he has only the same amount of debuts given and much like Michael Ryan he had no choice, it's not like he instigated the conveyor belt of underage talent coming through. Also, worth noting the drop out rate too. David O'Sullivan seems to be gone more from commitment that lack of talent but I don't think Tommy Ryan improved under Davy and in the end it's told against him.

Daniels, Shane Fives, Paudie Prender have all been given their chance now. I wonder if we had a different setup a few years earlier would the likes of Shane Casey and Tommy Connors be on the Waterford team (on merit)?

Jerome Meagher and Brian Sully are two more I forgot there actually, so that's 14-12...until next year.

carter10

Mountainlad wrote: »

That's two, 12 all so. My point was just that a lot is made of Davy blooding players when he came in, but in close to three times as many games he has only the same amount of debuts given and much like Michael Ryan he had no choice, it's not like he instigated the conveyor belt of underage talent coming through. Also, worth noting the drop out rate too. David O'Sullivan seems to be gone more from commitment that lack of talent but I don't think Tommy Ryan improved under Davy and in the end it's told against him.

Daniels, Shane Fives, Paudie Prender have all been given their chance now. I wonder if we had a different setup a few years earlier would the likes of Shane Casey and Tommy Connors be on the Waterford team (on merit)?

Jerome Meagher and Brian Sully are two more I forgot there actually, so that's 14-12...until next year.

I think Eamon Murphy came on as a sub against Tipp in 2011 in thurles. The game played under lights and we had 2 sent off. I could be wrong about that though

Mountainlad

carter10 wrote: »

I think Eamon Murphy came on as a sub against Tipp in 2011 in thurles. The game played under lights and we had 2 sent off. I could be wrong about that though

He did play a couple of league games, but I mean championship. Several of the players Michael Ryan has given a debut too had been on the panel before he came on.

I remember the game your on about, Shane Sully got sent off for a late bat on someboyds back and Clinton was sent off for a flying clothesline on Bonner Maher.

robopaddy

Mountainlad wrote: »

Players who made their Senior championship debut under Michael Ryan:

Stephen O Keeffe
Stephen Daniels
Philip Mahony
Shane Fives
Gavin O Brien
Martin O Neill

Paudie Prendergast
Jamie Barron
Jake Dillon
Ray Barry
Eddie Barrett
Dean Twomey

Total=12 players, 7 games

Players who made their Senior championship debut under Davy "I played 40 players in the league" Fitzgerald:

Jamie Nagle
Noel Connors
Richie Foley
Gary Hurney
Maurice Shanahan
Shane Casey
Liam Lawlor
Briasn O Halloran
Darragh Fives
Paudi Mahony
Thomas Ryan
David O'Sullivan
Jerome Meagher
Brian O'Sullivan

Total=14 players in 18 games

Yeah sure, no players have been blooded. And sure isn't it only right to expect 19 year olds to automatically burst on to the scene as superstars, when they're miles behind physically in development to lads who've been their for years! Crazy stuff

Am open to corrections on the list of players though I know I'm not far wrong.

To be fair to davy fitz u cant really compare like with like as davy gave a lot of young players a chance when some of the old guard from the team that justin built were still around. He was faced with some great players like shanahan ken flynn eoin murphy and kelly passing their sell by date and he had the task of blooding young players while atill trying to get what was left out of these lads. Ryan simply had to give youth a chance because he had no other choice anyway as the vast majority of the team that jutin and gerald built retired under davy

deisedude

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Mr Tibbs

Anyone have an opinion on how the minors will do next Sunday. Unbelievable how they missed out on a Munster title. I would love to see them reach their full potential as they are a really tallented team all over but for some reason its not coming to the fore this year. I really expected great things for this team early on in the season. There's still a chance so lets hope past mistakes can be rectified and at the least make an appearance in the All Ireland. Best of luck to them its going to be a big day for them. Make it count lads.

robopaddy

Mr Tibbs wrote: »

Anyone have an opinion on how the minors will do next Sunday. Unbelievable how they missed out on a Munster title. I would love to see them reach their full potential as they are a really tallented team all over but for some reason its not coming to the fore this year. I really expected great things for this team early on in the season. There's still a chance so lets hope past mistakes can be rectified and at the least make an appearance in the All Ireland. Best of luck to them its going to be a big day for them. Make it count lads.

If they hurl for 60 mins theyll take beatinh. Unfortunately thry haven't been able to do that this year. Not a vintage kk team by any stretch but like all kk teams will be well drilled well organised and will need to be at our best to best them.

doz

Semi finals at minor level are notoriously unpredictable as you just don't know how some lads will react to the big day and in many cases their first time being on live tv. Hopefully playing in front of the large crowd in Limerick will have stood to the lads for this one.

In terms of ability I think this is one of the best minor panels we have had but for whatever reason it hasn't quite turned out as we might have hoped. However they now have a chance to put it right with the prospect of a potential final against Limerick.

I haven't seen this KK minor team play. I can only go on what I have heard from people in KK which is that it isn't the best minor panel they've produced and is more workmanlike rather than a team of potential stars. But at the end of the day that won't count for much, it's KK, their tradition is clear and their fans will be expecting a win regardless of who they are playing.

Am reasonably optimistic and looking forward to heading up, hopefully weather will hold as well.

PTH2009

tickets available online dont seem to be great for next sunday. Theres only section 336 of the hogan lower available at the moment.

Probly best to buy them up there because they mite open the top tiers

alllcounty

Mr Tibbs wrote: »

Anyone have an opinion on how the minors will do next Sunday. Unbelievable how they missed out on a Munster title. I would love to see them reach their full potential as they are a really tallented team all over but for some reason its not coming to the fore this year. I really expected great things for this team early on in the season. There's still a chance so lets hope past mistakes can be rectified and at the least make an appearance in the All Ireland. Best of luck to them its going to be a big day for them. Make it count lads.

Maybe the reason they haven't been performing for the full 60 mins against tipp, cork and limerick could be to do with having the best 15 playing in their best positions. I hate to be critical as they're doing their best however I think from what i've seen so far I would have Mickey Kearney in at coner forward instead of midfield where he is more effective on the score sheet. I'd put Mark O'Brien midfield as he is more a ball winner and supply's better ball to the forwards. I'd have both dj foran and cormac curren in the half forward line rather than one of them on the bench. Both are very good at winning ball in the air and driving forward. I think the team named the last day was near the best so far with maybe colm roche to fill the other half forward position if fit.

I remember the last time our minor team played in croke park was 2011 and the game was over at half time. Nerves took over just like the first 20 mins against cork this year. I hope this doesen't repeat itself given the big environs they'll be playing in. It's up to management not to be nervous themselves which reflects on the team. Tradition does have a large part to play when counties regurarly reach all ireland semi's and final's at underage. KK and teams like them are expected to win and to play their best hurling all year when they reach this stage of the competition. For other counties like ourselves we would be hopeful of winning but possibly not the same level of confidence and that's when nerves kick in. I hope they start well and the best team is named similar to the last day against antrim and after that at least they'll be in with shout.

Deise_2012

doz wrote: »

Semi finals at minor level are notoriously unpredictable as you just don't know how some lads will react to the big day and in many cases their first time being on live tv. Hopefully playing in front of the large crowd in Limerick will have stood to the lads for this one.

In terms of ability I think this is one of the best minor panels we have had but for whatever reason it hasn't quite turned out as we might have hoped. However they now have a chance to put it right with the prospect of a potential final against Limerick.

I haven't seen this KK minor team play. I can only go on what I have heard from people in KK which is that it isn't the best minor panel they've produced and is more workmanlike rather than a team of potential stars. But at the end of the day that won't count for much, it's KK, their tradition is clear and their fans will be expecting a win regardless of who they are playing.

Am reasonably optimistic and looking forward to heading up, hopefully weather will hold as well.

is it live on tv?

Professey Chin

Deise_2012 wrote: »

is it live on tv?

Yep Sunday Game live

doz

Deise_2012 wrote: »

is it live on tv?

The minor semi finals are always traditionally shown as Gaeilge on RTE and this was confirmed after the Dublin v Cork football match last Saturday night.

robopaddy

Best of luck to the minors this sunday. Weve been to this stage twice in the past 4 years but now is the time to win one.. Were definetly capable of winning lets just hope the lads can do the business.

God knows the county needs a break this year

PTH2009

I got 3 tickets for the upper cusack stand for sunday. is there anyway of getting a rebate if i have a student card

Mountainlad

PTH2009 wrote: »

I got 3 tickets for the upper cusack stand for sunday. is there anyway of getting a rebate if i have a student card

Yep, I think it's stile D or something in the Cusack stand. All concessions are got through the Cusack, there'll be officials there to help on the day.

deisedude

Tickets bought for the hill to roar on the lads! Can't wait!!!

PTH2009

Mountainlad wrote: »

Yep, I think it's stile D or something in the Cusack stand. All concessions are got through the Cusack, there'll be officials there to help on the day.

How comes its only the cusack stand you get concessions. Is it something to do with the Tv angle