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The Government's attitude

shane7218

http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/governments-information-officer-dismisses-microsoft-warning-over-vulnerable-computers-29465387.html

I think this really shows the governments "be grand" attitude.

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shruikan2553

Phoebas wrote: »

Not really, aside from consulting on ways to mitigate risk. XP is closed source, so no-one but MS have access to it (or the right to make changes to it).

This mostly. It could be possible for a group to work on a program that tries to cover up any issues but its like using duct tape on the screen door of a submarine.

Software gets updated all the time and companies stop supporting it, MS have given it 12 years and are moving on. You can still use XP its just not advisable.

krudler

minotour wrote: »

It pains me to agree with you here.

I remember looking into him when he was appointed and like Palpatine i thought "ill watch your career with great interest". Looks like he is off to a good start.

In terms of his reasons, he is saying that they will not end support for XP as there are others out there with it. Not that he wont migrate for that reason, in fact it appears the migration is ongoing but unlikely to be complete in time.

Regardless, its good to see someone standing up to these companies. He has a fair bit of work to do though with limited budget.

What? It's not Microsoft's fault people won't move on past a 12 year old operating system, why should they continue to put resources into something completely outdated, if you have it and it works then great, but if you don't wanna upgrade from something from a decade ago then that's your problem not MS's. Be like complaining you cant get support for a brick of a phone from the mid 90's, or can't buy VHS anymore, move on ffs.

bumper234

Phoebas wrote: »

Pfffft.

Sent from my fossilised remains.

Amateurs.

Sent from the primordial soup.

minotour

krudler wrote: »

What? It's not Microsoft's fault people won't move on past a 12 year old operating system, why should they continue to put resources into something completely outdated, if you have it and it works then great, but if you don't wanna upgrade from something from a decade ago then that's your problem not MS's. Be like complaining you cant get support for a brick of a phone from the mid 90's, or can't buy VHS anymore, move on ffs.

look, i agree with you on all or at least most of that, the issue here is MS using scare tactics to force a sale from our governemnt.

Nemeses

minotour wrote: »

look, i agree with you on all or at least most of that, the issue here is MS using scare tactics to force a sale from our governemnt.

MS aren't using scare tactics..

Where are you going with that?

shane7218

minotour wrote: »

look, i agree with you on all or at least most of that, the issue here is MS using scare tactics to force a sale from our governemnt.

But there not. There simply making the government aware that if they don't upgrade they will be vulnerable to security exploits as Microsoft cease updates of the OS ... how is that scare tactics

Ray Palmer

minotour wrote: »

Its not my place to educzte you on the functions of government. you seem to be taking this very personally, you shouldnt. How about you give us your opinions on the new CIO, have you seen him in action?

It is not your place to make up stuff either but you seem happy to do that:p

I am not taking it personally I just hate it when people claim they know something and it is a complete lie.

minotour

Nemeses wrote: »

MS aren't using scare tactics..

Where are you going with that?

jaysus, TGIF

last point, from the orignal article which appears to have long been forgotten.

"THE government’s newly-appointed chief information officer has dismissed an official Microsoft warning that government computers may soon be vulnerable to hacking attacks and a deluge of computer viruses."

Czarcasm

Uriel. wrote: »

He's not a civil servant or a politician.

Judging by his background he's no fool in IT matters

For the time being I'll put more weight on his opinion than anyone on this website

He gives a better interview here:

http://ceoni.wordpress.com/2013/02/11/emcs-bill-mccluggage-life-is-an-adventure/

Which leaves me perplexed as to why he would then come out with such a statement in the OP and want to hold on to a legacy OS?

He's all about moving ICT infrastructures forward, and I applaud him for that, I'm all about using technology to increase efficiency in the private and public sector, but the idea that Microsoft will be held to ransom by any government to support a legacy OS?

In his wildest dreams perhaps, certainly not in the real world, public or private sector.

bumper234

minotour wrote: »

jaysus, TGIF

last point, from the orignal article which appears to have long been forgotten.

"THE government’s newly-appointed chief information officer has dismissed an official Microsoft warning that government computers may soon be vulnerable to hacking attacks and a deluge of computer viruses."

That's not scare tactics that's THE TRUTH!

rolliepoley

In the long run their going to have to upgrade, so why not start now instead of trying to fight it.

Phoebas

Czarcasm wrote: »

Which leaves me perplexed as to why he would then come out with such a statement in the OP and want to hold on to a legacy OS?

I doubt he wants to hold on to a legacy OS. More likely that he just doesn't have the budget to run all of the projects that are necessary to get the upgrades in on time.

Nemeses

minotour wrote: »

Official Microsoft warning that government computers may soon be vulnerable to hacking attacks and a deluge of computer viruses["

It's a genuine warning, MS are clearing indicating to move on from an outdated, obsolete, 12 year old operating system.

Not really scary is it?

minotour

bumper234 wrote: »

That's not scare tactics that's THE TRUTH!

Debatable, its a sales strategy.

Phoebas

rolliepoley wrote: »

In the long run their going to have to upgrade, so why not start now instead of trying to fight it.

I presume upgrades are ongoing, but aren't going to be done by the XP sunset date.

bumper234

minotour wrote: »

Debatable, its a sales strategy.

Are you trying to say that XP is not vulnerable?

ScumLord

minotour wrote: »

jaysus, TGIF

last point, from the orignal article which appears to have long been forgotten.

"THE government’s newly-appointed chief information officer has dismissed an official Microsoft warning that government computers may soon be vulnerable to hacking attacks and a deluge of computer viruses."

That's only because they're using software that isn't having security vulnerabilities fixed any more.

The government isn't forced to upgrade, they can move to Linux if they really wanted but XP is now dead software that can't deal with the modern internet anymore. It's completely at the mercy of hackers once Microsoft stop supporting it. It's like the government expecting a pair of shoes to last past the sole falling off them.

Nemeses

minotour wrote: »

Debatable, its a sales strategy.

Oh get over it. Don't be a silly billy.

As I mentioned earlier. I don't believe you have much in-depth knowledge of software, programming, operating systems, technology and protocols, Let alone the vast majority of hacking, spamming, phishing etc

One might say,you could be talking out your bum sir.

Have some education:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/194979/windows_xp_still_less_secure_than_win7_and_vista.html

Czarcasm

ScumLord wrote: »

That's only because they're using software that isn't having security vulnerabilities fixed any more.

The government isn't forced to upgrade, they can move to Linux if they really wanted but XP is now dead software that can't deal with the modern internet anymore. It's completely at the mercy of hackers once Microsoft stop supporting it. It's like the government expecting a pair of shoes to last past the sole falling off them.

Or giving the contract for the National Broadband Scheme to a mobile midband providing telecoms company...

Wait, that's exactly what they DID do! :pac:

Christ the Redeemer

XP is still a great ****ing operating system.

shane7218

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

XP is still a great ****ing operating system.

It is a great OS but its just not cut out for the world we live in anymore in terms of the internet and networking

Nemeses

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

XP is still a great ****ing operating system.

I'll admit, Twas a great Operating system after days of when '98 was a good operating system. Don't talk to me about windows 2000 and ME.. useless insecure ****** software!

But she's old . She badly needs to retire :P

jimgoose

"Bill McCluggage"... name a' Cheeses... :pac::pac::pac:

Well, this man is obviously an expert in his field. I for one have every confidence that there will be no "Ass, Both Hands, God-Holding-Flashlight" episodes concerning government IT facilities.

minotour

Nemeses wrote: »

Oh get over it. Don't be a silly billy.

As I mentioned earlier. I don't believe you have much in-depth knowledge of software, programming, operating systems, technology and protocols, Let alone the vast majority of hacking, spamming, phishing etc

One might say,you could be talking out your bum sir.

Have some education:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/194979/windows_xp_still_less_secure_than_win7_and_vista.html

Play the ball not the man!

One last time, not debating XPs merits or deficencies. The method in which they seek to hit their targets and recognise revenue has been challenged by our government and for once by a competent leader.

I know im not alone here, where are the rest of ye who understand this?

minotour

jimgoose wrote: »

"Bill McCluggage"... name a' Cheeses... :pac::pac::pac:

Well, this man is obviously an expert in his field. I for one have every confidence that there will be no "Ass, Both Hands, God-Holding-Flashlight" episodes concerning government IT facilities.

Sounds like a new cabin bag from McDonalds.

shane7218

I think Ireland needs to get with the times. Look at the Broadband infrastructure in the country. I have to put up with a terrible satellite connection and I am only 10 mins outside a major town, no wireless or landline internet available. Not acceptable in this day and age.

jimgoose

minotour wrote: »

Play the ball not the man!

One last time, not debating XPs merits or deficencies. The method in which they seek to hit their targets and recognise revenue has been challenged by our government and for once by a competent leader.

I know im not alone here, where are the rest of ye who understand this?

If there is one "competent leader" among the whole bottom-feeding, parasitic lot of them then I, my good man, am a pimple on the left bottom-cheek of the Marquess of Queensberry's Auntie.

Amirani

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

XP is still a great ****ing operating system.

It really isn't.

jimgoose

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

XP is still a great ****ing operating system.

It's a load of steaming llama-sh!t.

ScumLord

minotour wrote: »

Play the ball not the man!

One last time, not debating XPs merits or deficencies. The method in which they seek to hit their targets and recognise revenue has been challenged by our government and for once by a competent leader.

The leader has shown he's incompetence on this issue. Microsoft have been warning us all.. FOR YEARS.. through public media and private emails that XP support will be ending on a specific date. This didn't pop up out of the blue, it's standard practice with all Microsoft software.

If the leader did not know about this, either he and everyone that works for him is incompetent or he and everyone that works for him aren't doing their jobs effectively enough to read an email.